Gallup poll 4-17 Romney 48% Obama 43%

[nextJin]

lolz I like Ron Paul's idea on war and peace and police state which the Right hates. Everyone hates the idea 1776 economics w/o homestead mind you. No chance. He only appeals to 25% max in the first place and they have party loyalty to think about.

Those "1776" economics predicted every single recession and market crash in the last half century. Paul openly warned everyone as early as 2002 about the future housing bubble. In 2005 he was basically pleading on cspan on the house floor to look at the bubble and take steps to reverse it. I'd venture into other areas such as forseeing terrorism coming to our shores, the tech and dot come bubbles, etc. but I'll leave it alone.

You'll never see those predictions on the (right leaning) news because it would be damning to the GOP. Morning Joe (left leaning) had a segment earlier with his predictions which dumbfounded them on why no one did anything knowing what we know now.

I'd be comfortable in actually trying either forms (Keys or Austrian economics) for once but right now we are not following either. Certainly not Austrian and Keys would be rolling in his grave with how this government has managed it.

 

[yllus]

Those "1776" economics predicted every single recession and market crash in the last half century. Paul openly warned everyone as early as 2002 about the future housing bubble. In 2005 he was basically pleading on cspan on the house floor to look at the bubble and take steps to reverse it. I'd venture into other areas such as forseeing terrorism coming to our shores, the tech and dot come bubbles, etc. but I'll leave it alone.

Blathering to the press every five years that hyperinflation is right around the corner over a period of thirty years isn't a sign of high aptitude in economics. Mr. Paul has absolutely no clue when it comes to finance and it's incredibly obvious.

 

[nextJin]

Blathering to the press every five years that hyperinflation is right around the corner over a period of thirty years isn't a sign of high aptitude in economics. Mr. Paul has absolutely no clue when it comes to finance and it's incredibly obvious.

I tend to side with the people calling it correctly before it happens. Where you look to Bernanke for advice after the fact I already know what is happening and why it's happening. Paul was calling the right numbers on inflation and if you go by the pre-fed approved change in how inflation is calculated he is correct.

 

[werepossum]

So you're saying:

1. The members of Kerry's own crew did NOT back Kerry's version of events;

2. That these same members did NOT say that O'Neil failed to interview them for his book;

3. That people quoted by O'Neil in that book did NOT say that their statements had been hacked up to remove positive things they said about Kerry;

4. That statements Kerry made on television in the early 1970's were NOT misrepresented by SBVT as proven by the tapes of said programs?

5. That O'Neil did NOT lie about who co-authored his book;

6. That SBVT's members who did NOT witness actual events did NOT sign affidavits attesting to those events, and later admitted that this was the case;

7. That more than one member of SBVT did NOT change his OWN story later after being contradicted by other vets?

8. That members of SBVT did NOT falsely claim that Kerry was revered as a hero of communism by the Vietnamese?

9. That SBVT did NOT receive most of its funding from prominent GOP donors, and did NOT have direct ties to the Bush Campaign?

I'm going to be honest with you here: if Kerry put a spin on some aspects of what happened in Vietnam, that is to his discredit. However, since Kerry was not elected, I have trouble getting so hot and bothered about that when in fact this was clearly a politically motivated smear campaign that was rife with dishonesty from beginning to end. You act as if it's OK to "throw everything up against the wall to see what sticks" just because a little of it sticks after the dust settles, even if much of what "stuck" with voters actually wasn't true. Let's try out that tactic with Romney or some other politician you support next time and see how you react to it. Let's accuse him of 40 terrible things and who knows, maybe a few of them will turn out to be true. Sound good to you?

Most of that I won't refute, although one of the original SBVT was Kerry's gunner, Steve Gardner. Kerry certainly does have his portrait in the Vietnamese war memorial as a supporter of the Communists, although I'd suggest swapping "revered by" with "considered a useful idiot by." And of course the SBVT's principle donors were GOP supporters; who can suggest with a straight face that failure of Democrat supporters to fund an ad campaign showing the lies of the Democrat Presidential nominee indicates inaccuracy? How many donors with ties to the GOP do you think contributed to buy the ad time for the "General Betrayus" ads? However, the SBVT did not "throw everything up against the wall to see what sticks". They made very specific claims, virtually all of which were proven true as they well knew when they made them. Certainly others signed on to support things they should not have; not being present and therefore relying on the stories of people they trust, their attestations have no value. But if you're falling back on too many people jumping on the band wagon and not including exculpatory information, you're indicting ALL political campaigns, not just the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

 

[yllus]

I tend to side with the people calling it correctly before it happens.

In that case, you certainly don't want to side with Mr. Paul.

Ron Paul, 1981:

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for allowing me to appear before your subcommittee this morning to discuss the feasibility of establishing a gold standard.

As you know, I have introduced, and other members have cosponsored, H.R. 7874, which is a comprehensive bill to place the United States on a full gold coin standard within two years of the date of its passage.

I believe such a standard to be not only desirable and feasible, but absolutely necessary if we aim to avoid the very real possibility of hyperinflation in the near future, and economic collapse.

Ron Paul, 2009:

“People will start to abandon the dollar as current and past economic policies create a steep rise in interest rates,” Mr Paul says.

“If you are in Treasuries, you will need to be watchful and nimble to time your escape.”

Unfortunately, cashing out will not protect the value of investments, he insists, because “fiat” currencies will all decline over the coming years as measures to try to haul the world economy out of recession fail. “The current stimulus measures are making things a lot worse,” says Mr Paul.

“The US government just won’t allow the correction the economy needs.” He cites the mini-depression of 1921, which lasted just a year largely because insolvent companies were allowed to fail. “No one remembers that one. They’ll remember this one, because it will last 15 years.”

At some stage – Mr Paul estimates it will be between one and four years – the dollar will implode. “The dollar as a reserve standard is done,” he says. He sees little hope for other currencies where central banks have also created too much liquidity dating right back to the early 1970s.

“Europe and the US will both have to fundamentally change their money systems,” he adds.

 

[nextJin]

In that case, you certainly don't want to side with Mr. Paul.

Ron Paul, 1981:



Ron Paul, 2009:

Inflation was picking up way too much in the late seventies and this is what Paul was trying to address. Paul Volcker had to come in after William Miller quit after a year and raise interest rates drastically which lead to the rescession costing Carter his job.

And many countries are already trying to get off the dollar or aquire gold supplies such as China so I'm not getting your point for #2. I'd venture to say that Paul knows either one of two things will happen. Either we raise interests rates significantly in a few years (which Bernanke himself has said will have to happen) or things take a turn for the worse. Considering we are still in a stagnant economy I'd say Washington will pick the later option. You can not simply keep interest rates at basically zero and have more and more QE's forever, especially when they are not yeilding any positive results.

 

[bfdd]

http://www.examiner.com/article/ron...voters-to-ithaca-new-york-town-hall-meeting-1 4400 show up to support Ron Paul. lols @ all the haters.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

4400...awesome.

That would have worked great back in 1780, like a lot of his ideas.

 

[Siddhartha]

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/presidential-polls/

Polls: All Polls
All the latest polls on the 2012 races are listed below by date. Click on the race to get the past results for that contest.


Friday, April 20, 2012
Florida '12 General Election
Barack Obama 45%
Mitt Romney 43%
Undecided 7%
None of the above 6%

Fox News04/17/2012757National '12 General Election
Barack Obama 49%
Mitt Romney 43%

NBC/Wall Street Journal04/19/2012Ohio '12 General Election
Barack Obama 45%
Mitt Romney 39%
None of the above 9%
Undecided 6%

Fox News04/17/2012606Thursday, April 19, 2012
National '12 General Election
Barack Obama 46%
Mitt Romney 42%
Undecided 7%
None of the above 4%

Quinnipiac University04/17/20122577Wednesday, April 18, 2012
National '12 General Election
Barack Obama 46%
Mitt Romney 46%

CBS News/New York Times04/17/2012957New Hampshire '12 General Election
Mitt Romney 44%
Barack Obama 42%
Undecided 14%

Rockefeller Center Poll04/05/2012403Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Florida '12 General Election
Barack Obama 50%
Mitt Romney 45%
Undecided 5%

Public Policy Polling04/17/2012700National '12 General Election
Barack Obama 47%
Mitt Romney 43%

Reuters/Ipsos04/15/20121044Monday, April 16, 2012
Barack Obama General Election Favorability
Favorable 56%
Unfavorable 40%
No opinion 5%

Washington Post-ABC News04/15/20121009Mitt Romney General Election Favorability
Unfavorable 47%
Favorable 35%
No opinion 18%

Washington Post-ABC News04/15/20121009National '12 General Election
Barack Obama 52%
Mitt Romney 43%

 

[fskimospy]

Those "1776" economics predicted every single recession and market crash in the last half century. Paul openly warned everyone as early as 2002 about the future housing bubble. In 2005 he was basically pleading on cspan on the house floor to look at the bubble and take steps to reverse it. I'd venture into other areas such as forseeing terrorism coming to our shores, the tech and dot come bubbles, etc. but I'll leave it alone.

You'll never see those predictions on the (right leaning) news because it would be damning to the GOP. Morning Joe (left leaning) had a segment earlier with his predictions which dumbfounded them on why no one did anything knowing what we know now.

I'd be comfortable in actually trying either forms (Keys or Austrian economics) for once but right now we are not following either. Certainly not Austrian and Keys would be rolling in his grave with how this government has managed it.

Ron Paul has correctly predicted about 30 out of the last 2 market crashes. A stopped clock...

 

[nextJin]

Ron Paul has correctly predicted about 30 out of the last 2 market crashes. A stopped clock...

List the 30 if you don't mind, I'd be interested in seeing them. The only thing he was stressing in the 2000's was the housing bubble and in the 90's it was terrorism and the dot com bubble. In the late 80's he was stressing military interventionism and private property rights.

When you post his inflationary warnings I'll be sure to show the inflation figures using the older methods and I might even be willing to pick a few common goods and reference increases in market price vs current inflation statistics.

 

[fskimospy]

List the 30 if you don't mind, I'd be interested in seeing them. The only thing he was stressing in the 2000's was the housing bubble and in the 90's it was terrorism and the dot com bubble. In the late 80's he was stressing military interventionism and private property rights.

When you post his inflationary warnings I'll be sure to show the inflation figures using the older methods and I might even be willing to pick a few common goods and reference increases in market price vs current inflation statistics.

Ron Paul said that hyperinflation and economic collapse was a big possibility in the near future... in 1981. He has been saying the same thing for 30 years, and every time the promised hyperinflation doesn't show up... he just keeps predicting it.

That's what happens when you believe in fairy tale economics like the Austrian School.

 

[a777pilot]

Interesting but that poll is of "registered voters", so basically irrelevant.

Let me know when there are polls of "likely voters".

 

[nextJin]

Ron Paul said that hyperinflation and economic collapse was a big possibility in the near future... in 1981. He has been saying the same thing for 30 years, and every time the promised hyperinflation doesn't show up... he just keeps predicting it.

That's what happens when you believe in fairy tale economics like the Austrian School.

So you couldn't list 30 things other than what I predicted you'd say which was the inflationary tales. If Miller had stayed as Fed chairman during those times that's what we would have gotten. If you go by the 80's inflation calcuation methods we are well above what is stated currently. Take a look at prices of almost any commodity from 1981 to now, you'll likely see a 5% to 15% a year increase in prices. Much more than your standard 2% increase stated by the Fed.

What you fail to understand is that interest rates are at basically 0 to try and increase lending and spur economic growth, eventually we will increase those rates and when that happens you see economic down turns and rescessions. We are still in a rescession, what would you have the Fed do knowing they are screwed and especially whoever the next POTUS will be.

Go ahead and thumb your nose at all the things Paul has predicted (terrorism, bubble busts, loss of personal freedoms, etc.) and focus on him predicting hyper inflation ignoring the elephant in the room.

 

[fskimospy]

So you couldn't list 30 things other than what I predicted you'd say which was the inflationary tales. If Miller had stayed as Fed chairman during those times that's what we would have gotten. If you go by the 80's inflation calcuation methods we are well above what is stated currently. Take a look at prices of almost any commodity from 1981 to now, you'll likely see a 5% to 15% a year increase in prices. Much more than your standard 2% increase stated by the Fed.

What you fail to understand is that interest rates are at basically 0 to try and increase lending and spur economic growth, eventually we will increase those rates and when that happens you see economic down turns and rescessions. We are still in a rescession, what would you have the Fed do knowing they are screwed and especially whoever the next POTUS will be.

Go ahead and thumb your nose at all the things Paul has predicted (terrorism, bubble busts, loss of personal freedoms, etc.) and focus on him predicting hyper inflation ignoring the elephant in the room.

First of all even if one were to accept your questionable inflation calculation, (considering the CPI has not increased anywhere even remotely close to 15% a year) that is nowhere even remotely close to hyperinflation. Ron Paul was simply flat out, hilariously wrong.

Ron Paul also predicted the reinstatement of the draft, that never happened. He predicted massive social unrest, that didn't happen. He predicted dramatically higher interest rates for the US. That didn't happen. He predicted a major worldwide war, that didn't happen. And so on, and so forth.

 

[nextJin]

First of all even if one were to accept your questionable inflation calculation, (considering the CPI has not increased anywhere even remotely close to 15% a year) that is nowhere even remotely close to hyperinflation. Ron Paul was simply flat out, hilariously wrong.

Ron Paul also predicted the reinstatement of the draft, that never happened. He predicted massive social unrest, that didn't happen. He predicted dramatically higher interest rates for the US. That didn't happen. He predicted a major worldwide war, that didn't happen. And so on, and so forth.

The argument was not to say hyperinflation was happening, no. Hyperinflation is short, painful and currency ending. What it was pointing out is that the metrics used to calculate inflation have been adjusted several times since the 80's. Compared to price increases in most major markets, it's fairly enlighting. Again, look at the inflation rates under Carter, then look what happened when they had to force interest rates higher to prevent possible hyper inflation.

The draft has not happened because it would be political suicide, so people like me get to have fun in the sand every 6 months for a year. The military takes that burden. So the tea party and occupy are not indicators. Iceland, Greece, and soon Spain have civil unrest, France is not far behind. These problems are not regulated to just Europe. The higher interest rates did happen in the early 80's and they are going to happen again in the near future. They have too, it's economic law. You can not continue on the same path without two major headroads which are both bad one being way worse which won't happen.

And apparently you missed the war on terrorism. How many countries have to be involved for it to be considered a world war again?

 

[a777pilot]

The CPI as calculated by the Federal government is meaningless.

 

[fskimospy]

The argument was not to say hyperinflation was happening, no. Hyperinflation is short, painful and currency ending. What it was pointing out is that the metrics used to calculate inflation have been adjusted several times since the 80's. Compared to price increases in most major markets, it's fairly enlighting. Again, look at the inflation rates under Carter, then look what happened when they had to force interest rates higher to prevent possible hyper inflation.

The draft has not happened because it would be political suicide, so people like me get to have fun in the sand every 6 months for a year. The military takes that burden. So the tea party and occupy are not indicators. Iceland, Greece, and soon Spain have civil unrest, France is not far behind. These problems are not regulated to just Europe. The higher interest rates did happen in the early 80's and they are going to happen again in the near future. They have too, it's economic law. You can not continue on the same path without two major headroads which are both bad one being way worse which won't happen.

And apparently you missed the war on terrorism. How many countries have to be involved for it to be considered a world war again?

They were not pushing interest rates higher to prevent hyperinflation, they were just taming high inflation, which is something totally different.

Glad to see you agree on Ron Paul being wrong on the draft. If you don't want to be deployed, don't join the military. Or get out at the end of your obligation. The War on Terrorism or whatever you want to call it is 1.) not actually a war, and 2.) is nowhere close to some major war as our good friend Ron put it, the worst since WW2. Korea, Vietnam, etc, were all considerably worse. He was just continuing his well worn mission of being wrong.

Interest rates most certainly do not have to be that high again, it is not an economic law in any way, shape, or form. Are you saying that you are of the same school of fantasy economics as Ron Paul?

Look, the guy is just a perpetual doomsday predicting crank. If you predict disaster every day, when one happens you look prescient. The thing is that he's so often completely wrong that it really does come into 'stopped clock' territory.

 

[fskimospy]

The CPI as calculated by the Federal government is meaningless.

Why?

 

[a777pilot]

Why?

It's been tampered with so much by politicians that it is basically meaningless.

Much like the un-employment figure calculated by the Federal government. Meaningless.

 

[fskimospy]

It's been tampered with so much by politicians that it is basically meaningless.

Much like the un-employment figure calculated by the Federal government. Meaningless.

No, neither are meaningless. If you believe that you are just further exposing your ignorance.

 

[a777pilot]

No, neither are meaningless. If you believe that you are just further exposing your ignorance.

OK, does the CPI include fuel and food?

Does the un-employment number include all that are out of work or just those that might still be looking for work?

Both figures use to be meaningful till politicians didn't like the numbers....all politicians, not just the current group in office....and changed their definitions.

 

[shortylickens]

The last several presidents have been two-termers.
And Obama has a loyal fan base. Much more than StarCraft 2 and iPhones.

 

[blankslate]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Some states almost always send their votes to republican candidates and some almost always send their electoral votes to the democratic candidates.

What's really important here are not national polls...

but the poll results in swing states

This year it looks like some of those states may be Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin and Colorado.

 

[Smoblikat]

I 100% beleive ron paul is the answer to all of the worlds problems. If he ever got elected i would make it my lifes work to protect him and what he stands for. But instead were left with the lesser of two evils.............romney. As long as its not obama im happy, how anyone could vote for obama is beyond me.