Galaxy S II US names: Attain; Function; Within.

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Red Storm

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I could care less what the names are, as long as the Verizon model has LTE then I'm good to go.
 

ponyo

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Yes, because Apple didn't agree to an exclusive contract with AT&T (Less bars in more places) thereby preventing people from getting the phone on their carrier of choice or anything...

What Apple did has nothing to do with exclusive contract with AT&T. Most of you are too blind by fanboism to see the great thing Apple did in standing up to the carriers. Zero branding other than Apple on the iPhone is just one byproduct. The great thing Apple did was they took control of the design and features of the phone. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers decided what features the phone could have. Not the company that made the phone. If carriers thought certain feature could strain their network or cause them to lose any kind of potential revenue, that feature was forced removed. Nokia always had to hold back features on their phone because carriers told them to. Apple was/is the only company that forced the carriers to play by Apple rules, not carriers. Apple decided what features got added on the phone, not carriers. Apple decided how the phone was going to look, not carriers. Apple decided what programs were going to be preloaded on the phone, not carriers. Apple App store further removed power from the carriers. Apple wanted zero carrier logo on the phone. Apple stood up to the carriers and won. They forced innovation on phone design and features and opened the way for Android. Yet Google and Android hardware makers are still carrier bitches. Galaxy S II shows how far we still have to go especially here in the US.
 

Ns1

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What Apple did has nothing to do with exclusive contract with AT&T. Most of you are too blind by fanboism to see the great thing Apple did in standing up to the carriers. Zero branding other than Apple on the iPhone is just one byproduct. The great thing Apple did was they took control of the design and features of the phone. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers decided what features the phone could have. Not the company that made the phone. If carriers thought certain feature could strain their network or cause them to lose any kind of potential revenue, that feature was forced removed. Nokia always had to hold back features on their phone because carriers told them to. Apple was/is the only company that forced the carriers to play by Apple rules, not carriers. Apple decided what features got added on the phone, not carriers. Apple decided how the phone was going to look, not carriers. Apple decided what programs were going to be preloaded on the phone, not carriers. Apple App store further removed power from the carriers. Apple wanted zero carrier logo on the phone. Apple stood up to the carriers and won. They forced innovation on phone design and features and opened the way for Android. Yet Google and Android hardware makers are still carrier bitches. Galaxy S II shows how far we still have to go especially here in the US.

good points.
 

Oyeve

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What Apple did has nothing to do with exclusive contract with AT&T. Most of you are too blind by fanboism to see the great thing Apple did in standing up to the carriers. Zero branding other than Apple on the iPhone is just one byproduct. The great thing Apple did was they took control of the design and features of the phone. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers decided what features the phone could have. Not the company that made the phone. If carriers thought certain feature could strain their network or cause them to lose any kind of potential revenue, that feature was forced removed. Nokia always had to hold back features on their phone because carriers told them to. Apple was/is the only company that forced the carriers to play by Apple rules, not carriers. Apple decided what features got added on the phone, not carriers. Apple decided how the phone was going to look, not carriers. Apple decided what programs were going to be preloaded on the phone, not carriers. Apple App store further removed power from the carriers. Apple wanted zero carrier logo on the phone. Apple stood up to the carriers and won. They forced innovation on phone design and features and opened the way for Android. Yet Google and Android hardware makers are still carrier bitches. Galaxy S II shows how far we still have to go especially here in the US.

True 'dat
 

Bateluer

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What Apple did has nothing to do with exclusive contract with AT&T. Most of you are too blind by fanboism to see the great thing Apple did in standing up to the carriers. Zero branding other than Apple on the iPhone is just one byproduct. The great thing Apple did was they took control of the design and features of the phone. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers decided what features the phone could have. Not the company that made the phone. If carriers thought certain feature could strain their network or cause them to lose any kind of potential revenue, that feature was forced removed. Nokia always had to hold back features on their phone because carriers told them to. Apple was/is the only company that forced the carriers to play by Apple rules, not carriers. Apple decided what features got added on the phone, not carriers. Apple decided how the phone was going to look, not carriers. Apple decided what programs were going to be preloaded on the phone, not carriers. Apple App store further removed power from the carriers. Apple wanted zero carrier logo on the phone. Apple stood up to the carriers and won. They forced innovation on phone design and features and opened the way for Android. Yet Google and Android hardware makers are still carrier bitches. Galaxy S II shows how far we still have to go especially here in the US.

This is very true.

I just want to replace Apple with 'Customer', the only caveat is that most customers are idiots. :(

Have to see what launches this summer, if its enough to motivate me to sell the Thunderbolt for a GS2/Function or something else. Yeah, I'm an addict.
 
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What Apple did has nothing to do with exclusive contract with AT&T. Most of you are too blind by fanboism to see the great thing Apple did in standing up to the carriers. Zero branding other than Apple on the iPhone is just one byproduct. The great thing Apple did was they took control of the design and features of the phone. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers decided what features the phone could have. Not the company that made the phone. If carriers thought certain feature could strain their network or cause them to lose any kind of potential revenue, that feature was forced removed. Nokia always had to hold back features on their phone because carriers told them to. Apple was/is the only company that forced the carriers to play by Apple rules, not carriers. Apple decided what features got added on the phone, not carriers. Apple decided how the phone was going to look, not carriers. Apple decided what programs were going to be preloaded on the phone, not carriers. Apple App store further removed power from the carriers. Apple wanted zero carrier logo on the phone. Apple stood up to the carriers and won. They forced innovation on phone design and features and opened the way for Android. Yet Google and Android hardware makers are still carrier bitches. Galaxy S II shows how far we still have to go especially here in the US.

nokia didn't hold back on features because the carriers told them so. their model worked fine overseas and its how practically every other manufacturer works. they design a phone and if you want it, you sign up on board. It's why Nokia's been knocking it out of the ballpark for years in other countries and can't even enter the US market.

I spoke with the VP of Nokia Research and he heavily criticized the subsidized and branded market of the US. Subsidies are fine in the way many other countries do it, but in the US it's all about carriers signing a deal to have some "exclusive version" of the phone. They wouldn't sell a Nokia N95. It'll have to be branded with not only an AT&T stamp but also an orange/blue box and loaded down with bloatware. I bought a Telus Milestone and while that was SIM locked, the only thing different about it was that it had a Telus movie on it and the homepage was some Telus page. There was no Telus stamp on the hardware. The box itself said Motorola Milestone like it could've come from the UK or Asia. That's the extent of branding that goes on in many other places.

In the US, the carriers are like the gestapo in that they want to control every aspect of the phone. They neuter phones, change the outer shell just so they can differentiate one little bit. Not every manufacturer wants to play ball with that, and that's why the US misses out on a lot of phones. I suspect the carriers fork over a great deal of $$$ trying to get these exclusive phones. I'd rather then spend that money on network improvement, especially in the case of AT&T.

BTW, Motorola is the worst of all manufacturers as it sucks on Verizon's left tit to survive. After the poor reception of the Motorola Milestone due to its locked bootloader, I'm almost confident that everyone ran away from the Milestone 2. Most of those international users jumped on board with HTC and Samsung. Motorola probably gets a huge payment from Verizon to keep the Droid branding going and to keep releasing these phones.
 
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What Apple did has nothing to do with exclusive contract with AT&T. Most of you are too blind by fanboism to see the great thing Apple did in standing up to the carriers. Zero branding other than Apple on the iPhone is just one byproduct. The great thing Apple did was they took control of the design and features of the phone. Prior to Apple and the iPhone, the carriers decided what features the phone could have. Not the company that made the phone. If carriers thought certain feature could strain their network or cause them to lose any kind of potential revenue, that feature was forced removed. Nokia always had to hold back features on their phone because carriers told them to. Apple was/is the only company that forced the carriers to play by Apple rules, not carriers. Apple decided what features got added on the phone, not carriers. Apple decided how the phone was going to look, not carriers. Apple decided what programs were going to be preloaded on the phone, not carriers. Apple App store further removed power from the carriers. Apple wanted zero carrier logo on the phone. Apple stood up to the carriers and won. They forced innovation on phone design and features and opened the way for Android. Yet Google and Android hardware makers are still carrier bitches. Galaxy S II shows how far we still have to go especially here in the US.

Yet you still have to hack an iPhone to get the "carrier" feature of tethering, for example (well, you did... now AT&T mandates it through network sniffing), for example. Or how about Apple taking down several apps from the app store in the past at the behest of AT&T? Apple is just as guilty of capitulating to carrier wants/demands as much as Nokia, Samsung, et'al.

That still doesn't change the POINT that Apple is guilty as charged by entering into an exclusive multi-year contract with AT&T.

You can't call out the good without calling out the bad. So what, Apple is marginally less bad than the others. Big fucking deal.
 
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Yet you still have to hack an iPhone to get the "carrier" feature of tethering, for example (well, you did... now AT&T mandates it through network sniffing), for example. Or how about Apple taking down several apps from the app store in the past at the behest of AT&T? Apple is just as guilty of capitulating to carrier wants/demands as much as Nokia, Samsung, et'al.

That still doesn't change the POINT that Apple is guilty as charged by entering into an exclusive multi-year contract with AT&T.

You can't call out the good without calling out the bad. So what, Apple is marginally less bad than the others. Big fucking deal.

It entered a multi-year contract because AT&T paid them a boatload of money. Notice how the iPhone is now sold unlocked everywhere else in the world. Even if Apple is semi guilty, I'd assign far more blame to the carriers.

Apple refuses to cater to the idiotic branding that every carrier in the US insists upon. While the carriers can get HTC to crank out 4 different versions of the Touch Pro 2, each with a different colored keyboard, and 4 slightly different SGS phones, I KNEW that the VZW iPhone would never be different. That's the last thing Apple would allow--a carrier in the US to demand a slightly different appearing phone. The iPhone is not only a product, but an experience. This experience needs to be maintained across the globe. This is the attitude every manufacturer needs.

You want the SGS2? Sell it under the SGS brand. We'll put a CDMA chip in for you, and that's it. Otherwise go fuck off Verizon.
 
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Dulanic

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Edit: Nm I will not fall into this. This thread isn't about apple so stfu about apple this and apple that.
 

s44

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Unfortunately, we'll have to wait even longer for confirmation: the May 24 Samsung press event was delayed.
 

pm

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I echo NS1's comment - I really don't care about the names (although I agree... they are inexplicably awful.. the Function...? oh dear), all I care about is the release date and the price.

As far as the Apple thing... why is it one mention of Apple - even as a joke - can derail a thread about a cool new phone? Or even making fun of the horrible names for the cool new phone?
 

Bateluer

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As far as the Apple thing... why is it one mention of Apple - even as a joke - can derail a thread about a cool new phone? Or even making fun of the horrible names for the cool new phone?

Apple illicits strong emotions from all sides.

Edit - The GSII still lacks LED notifications, yes? This would be a good differentiation feature for carriers to add. :p
 
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What are LED notifications? Blink codes on the outside of the phone to indicate certain events? I thought Blackberry's had something like that, but I've never seen it on any other phones.
 

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What are LED notifications? Blink codes on the outside of the phone to indicate certain events? I thought Blackberry's had something like that, but I've never seen it on any other phones.

It's kind of funny. I've never had a phone without it. The epic has them, my touch pro had it. I've never found it useful tho.
 
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What are LED notifications? Blink codes on the outside of the phone to indicate certain events? I thought Blackberry's had something like that, but I've never seen it on any other phones.

There's a separate LED light that notifies you of certain things like:
- missed calls
- SMS
- email

etc.

HTC puts the notification LED under the speaker now and it seems you can only get certain colors out of them. It was really nice on my Motorola Droid. On my Nexus S, the workaround is BLN where you have the backlight for the capacitive touch buttons light up. Supposedly it only uses 0.18% of total battery according to the XDA thread where it was developed. That might be an exaggeration and certainly it depends on how long the light is on.

I like this because sometimes I don't see an SMS that I missed or a missed call because I stepped out. Coming back to my phone on my desk is to see a LED is a quick indicator. BLN isn't even that bright, and if you look at your phone from certain angles it's not that easy to see. Plus LED notifications allow you to customize color. I had blue for SMS/twitter, light blue for missed calls, green for gmail, red for low battery, and yellow for work email I think.
 
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zerocool84

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Am I the only one that thinks it's fine that they call them something different for each carrier? The Galaxy S had differences for every carrier so I don't think it's a big deal.
 

Bateluer

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It's kind of funny. I've never had a phone without it. The epic has them, my touch pro had it. I've never found it useful tho.

Do you always turn your screen on to see if you got an SMS/IM/Email/Missed Call?

I'm very disappointed in the TB's LED notification, its horrible. A two color, green & red, LED located under the ear piece grill that can only be seen if you're looking at it from a 90 degree angle. Its pathetic and sad.

LED notifications are a great feature that should be mandatory on all smart phones, and its not like its a hard thing to implement either.
 

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No US Cellular version? Should have expected as much. US cellular is trying to act like they're keeping up with everyone else in phone selection by having smartphones, but they're all a generation behind. Lack of choices in my area sucks. It's either US Cellular, Verizon, or Pageplus. Looks like I might be going with Pageplus in the future so I can have Verizon's phone selection.

Naming the phones differently for each carrier is stupid. I know a few people who have a Fascinate and refuse to believe that it's the same phone as my Mesmerize just because they have different names. Stupid people are confused far too easily for us to have multiple names for one thing.
 

Bateluer

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No US Cellular version? Should have expected as much. US cellular is trying to act like they're keeping up with everyone else in phone selection by having smartphones, but they're all a generation behind. Lack of choices in my area sucks. It's either US Cellular, Verizon, or Pageplus. Looks like I might be going with Pageplus in the future so I can have Verizon's phone selection.

Naming the phones differently for each carrier is stupid. I know a few people who have a Fascinate and refuse to believe that it's the same phone as my Mesmerize just because they have different names. Stupid people are confused far too easily for us to have multiple names for one thing.

US Cellular may get a GSII spin eventually, they weren't first up to get a GS1 spin either, if I recall.