A man without a penis can still have sex. Sex != penetration. Do women penetrate during sex? No, not unless you picked "her" up in Tijuana.
A man without a penis can still have sex. Sex != penetration. Do women penetrate during sex? No, not unless you picked "her" up in Tijuana.
Is getting my tonsils removed mutilation? I don't remember having much choice in that. Oh, what about getting my finger nails clipped?
Please bring me empirical, scientific evidence that the foreskin actually provides more functionality than your finger nail, and that functionality alters the penis if removed, and I will concede that you have a valid argument.
The type of sex I have involves having a womans clit rub on me (or get rubbed) during intercourse. Therefore, women without a clitoris cannot have sex.
I asked a fundamental question that you will not answer. How does removal of the foreskin change the intrinsic properties of the male genitalia? Please show me scientific proof that the penis functions differently with the foreskin.
Say cutting the foreskin is equal to removal of the clitoris is like stating cutting a fingernail is the same thing as removal of the finger.
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Foreskin covers the penis when not in use, it prevents the head of the penis from getting calused and preserves its sensitivity. It is also a very effective mechanical lubricant, and contains a lot of nerve endings itself. The part of the fingernail (not the whole nail mind you) that you remove has none of those functions or features.
Ummm...my d!ckhead has never been callused. A mechanical lubricant? Please describe what it does. I prefer to sleep with women that produce their own lubricant. How does it preserve sensitivity if it has so many nerve endings? What protects the foreskin from calluses and sense deprivation? Either you don't use the foreskin during sex, or sensitivity issue can be ruled out.
Also, many of the people I know probably get more use out of their fingernail than you will out of your foreskin
We need to define what we mean by sex. Either you need to view it as purely utilitarian or as a mixture of pleasure and utility.
If you view sex as purely utilitarian, then I cannot argue with you on the point, other than a circumcision is done by a medical professional days after birth and with anesthetic and follow-up, and a womens clit removal is often done with rusty scissors in someones house.
The corollary to a utilitarian argument would be that male circumcision would be equal to forcefully removing one kidney from a healthy man, as his other kidney would still be able to filter out the toxins, thus not altering the utility of the body.
If you view it is a mixture, your entire argument is flawed.
Which is it?
edit: cannot spell that word
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Originally posted by: pinion9
Ummm...my d!ckhead has never been callused. A mechanical lubricant? Please describe what it does. I prefer to sleep with women that produce their own lubricant. How does it preserve sensitivity if it has so many nerve endings? What protects the foreskin from calluses and sense deprivation? Either you don't use the foreskin during sex, or sensitivity issue can be ruled out.
Also, many of the people I know probably get more use out of their fingernail than you will out of your foreskin
Foreskin is a folded piece of skin. There is internal part that touches the head, which is moist and sensitive, and there is external part that is exposed and less sensitive. During sex, the foresking is pulled back, exposing both the head and the sensitive portion of the foreskin. The foreskin moves along the shaft, acting as a mechanical lubricant. This is how human penis evolved through millenia of evolution. It's not a useless piece of skin. It serves a purpose. Maybe not an essential one at this point, but it has one.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: pinion9
Ummm...my d!ckhead has never been callused. A mechanical lubricant? Please describe what it does. I prefer to sleep with women that produce their own lubricant. How does it preserve sensitivity if it has so many nerve endings? What protects the foreskin from calluses and sense deprivation? Either you don't use the foreskin during sex, or sensitivity issue can be ruled out.
Also, many of the people I know probably get more use out of their fingernail than you will out of your foreskin
Foreskin is a folded piece of skin. There is internal part that touches the head, which is moist and sensitive, and there is external part that is exposed and less sensitive. During sex, the foresking is pulled back, exposing both the head and the sensitive portion of the foreskin. The foreskin moves along the shaft, acting as a mechanical lubricant. This is how human penis evolved through millenia of evolution. It's not a useless piece of skin. It serves a purpose. Maybe not an essential one at this point, but it has one.
So you are saying that getting a flat tire is the same as having all four tires blow out.
You would make a more convincing argument against circumcision if your ilk didn't state it was the same thing as female circumcision, because it simply is not.
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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: pinion9
Ummm...my d!ckhead has never been callused. A mechanical lubricant? Please describe what it does. I prefer to sleep with women that produce their own lubricant. How does it preserve sensitivity if it has so many nerve endings? What protects the foreskin from calluses and sense deprivation? Either you don't use the foreskin during sex, or sensitivity issue can be ruled out.
Also, many of the people I know probably get more use out of their fingernail than you will out of your foreskin
Foreskin is a folded piece of skin. There is internal part that touches the head, which is moist and sensitive, and there is external part that is exposed and less sensitive. During sex, the foresking is pulled back, exposing both the head and the sensitive portion of the foreskin. The foreskin moves along the shaft, acting as a mechanical lubricant. This is how human penis evolved through millenia of evolution. It's not a useless piece of skin. It serves a purpose. Maybe not an essential one at this point, but it has one.
So you are saying that getting a flat tire is the same as having all four tires blow out.
You would make a more convincing argument against circumcision if your ilk didn't state it was the same thing as female circumcision, because it simply is not.
I didn't say it's same as female circumcision. I just said that female circumcision is not same as removing a man's penis.
Originally posted by: pinion9
Ummm...my d!ckhead has never been callused. A mechanical lubricant? Please describe what it does. I prefer to sleep with women that produce their own lubricant. How does it preserve sensitivity if it has so many nerve endings? What protects the foreskin from calluses and sense deprivation? Either you don't use the foreskin during sex, or sensitivity issue can be ruled out.
Also, many of the people I know probably get more use out of their fingernail than you will out of your foreskin
You obviously don't have a foreskin.. The nerves are on the inside. The foreskin is the same piece of skin as what is on the rest of the penis, so it allows sliding. Men with foreskins don't have to use "hand lotion" to masturbate, and it's a lot easier on a woman. Both male and female circumcision are antiquated and cruel (unless you're one of those who doesn't believe that babies feel pain). The difference is that male circumcision is institutionalized and common here in the US. A man who is circumcized is a lot more likely to be defensive of the lost sensitivity and the cruelty of the practice. It's like how a man with a b!tch for a girlfriend will defend her as being worth it, or one with a lemon car will defend it as having "character".
When it comes to ad hominem arguments, I consider it a victory and the argument is over. Thanks for playing.
So you calling people a "tool" isn't an ad hominem attack?
Seriously, mutilation is mutilation. No matter how you cut it (heh). Males *DO* lose stimulation, in fact there was a guy on here that got it done when he was older, just recently, and regrets the situation (although it seemed unavoidable). It *IS* mutilation that takes a part of a baby's anatomy away and something which does serve a purpose and contributes to their life.
Both are archaic and abusive practices that don't need to happen any more. I am uncut, and never had an infection because I am not a grubby dirty assbag. My wife of 1 year (girlfriend for 8) never has had a problem with it. We both think the process is stupid.
It's (to borrow your word) "tools" like you who continue a needlessly abusive process that has no place in a modern clean society. You simply accept it because thats what you were taught, despite overwhelming evidence that it is useless.
You, quite simply, are the same as the guy in the mutiliation case, except you can use a computer and type. You believe in silly practices that should have ended a long time ago, but only propegate them through ignorance and fear of change.
Yes, because I routinely use scissors to cut clits off little girls. :roll: For the record, I have two kids, both girls, and both still have their clits.
There are benefits to male circumcision and you simply cannot see them. I don't care. To compare it to male circumcision is ludicrous and renders any argument useless as it is apparent you lack the simple logic skills to make a valid argument.
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