Ga. Man Accused of Circumcising Daughter

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kevman

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: kevman
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: kevman
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: kevman
no person in the world should EVER mutilate the genitals of a child regardless of sex. it is the more barbaric thing one can imagine. Its sad the people still accept this horrible act as a routine thing to do to a male child in this day and age.

Cutting foreskin is not mutiliation, you ignorant tool.

If I wasn't circumcised, I would be embarassed to let the guy out around women. I still have pleasure. I can still use it. It is by no means mutilated as the fundamental properties are still intact.


Its ignorant tools like you that will never let this horrible practice die. Nobody should ever unnecessarily cut anything off of a baby let alone a part of there genitals.

I asked a fundamental question that you will not answer. How does removal of the foreskin change the intrinsic properties of the male genitalia? Please show me scientific proof that the penis functions differently with the foreskin.

Say cutting the foreskin is equal to removal of the clitoris is like stating cutting a fingernail is the same thing as removal of the finger.

Not my point a$$hole, my point is nobody should ever cut anything unnecessarily off of a baby period!

When it comes to ad hominem arguments, I consider it a victory and the argument is over. Thanks for playing.

Gee wasn't your calling me an "ignorant tool" the same thing?
 

Bateluer

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Why does everything thread here regarding female genital mutilation always turn towards bashing male circumcision?

 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Why does everything thread here regarding female genital mutilation always turn towards bashing male circumcision?

Because they don't like the feel of an uncircumcised penis :)
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
I didn't even know there was such a thing as female circumcision... :Q

oh, its sick stuff, the worst of the lot actually sew the vagina together with only a small hole for discharge. the husband has to cut her open on his wedding night.
 

EMPshockwave82

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Why are you people comparing it to cutting off a man's penis? She'll still be able to have children.

most are comparing it to cutting off the TIP of the penis... the tip being the closest relative to the clitoris (condensed section of nerve endings)
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: kevman
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: kevman
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: kevman
no person in the world should EVER mutilate the genitals of a child regardless of sex. it is the more barbaric thing one can imagine. Its sad the people still accept this horrible act as a routine thing to do to a male child in this day and age.

Cutting foreskin is not mutiliation, you ignorant tool.

If I wasn't circumcised, I would be embarassed to let the guy out around women. I still have pleasure. I can still use it. It is by no means mutilated as the fundamental properties are still intact.


Its ignorant tools like you that will never let this horrible practice die. Nobody should ever unnecessarily cut anything off of a baby let alone a part of there genitals.

I asked a fundamental question that you will not answer. How does removal of the foreskin change the intrinsic properties of the male genitalia? Please show me scientific proof that the penis functions differently with the foreskin.

Say cutting the foreskin is equal to removal of the clitoris is like stating cutting a fingernail is the same thing as removal of the finger.

Not my point a$$hole, my point is nobody should ever cut anything unnecessarily off of a baby period!

When it comes to ad hominem arguments, I consider it a victory and the argument is over. Thanks for playing.

Then the victory belongs to kevman, since you are the first to throw out the 'ad hominem argument'. :roll:
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
*snip*
Then the victory belongs to kevman, since you are the first to throw out the 'ad hominem argument'. :roll:

The victory belongs to no one, as the thread isn't about male circumcision.
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
*snip*
Then the victory belongs to kevman, since you are the first to throw out the 'ad hominem argument'. :roll:

The victory belongs to no one, as the thread isn't about male circumcision.

;) Just pointing out his flawed logic.
 

Jeff7

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Where is that thread by Titandiddly? Anyone who can coax the braindead search function to find it, please post the link. He confirmed that there is significant loss of feeling following circumcision. Makes sense, since the foreskin has many thousands of nerve endings.


Originally posted by: pinion9

Ummm...my d!ckhead has never been callused. A mechanical lubricant? Please describe what it does. I prefer to sleep with women that produce their own lubricant. How does it preserve sensitivity if it has so many nerve endings? What protects the foreskin from calluses and sense deprivation? Either you don't use the foreskin during sex, or sensitivity issue can be ruled out.

Also, many of the people I know probably get more use out of their fingernail than you will out of your foreskin :)

Mechanical lubricant: Are you familiar with water weenies, like you can get in science museum gift shops?
Example 1:
Example2. Scroll down a bit, or search for "slipper."
If you put something into one of them, it can move freely, since the torus is able to rotate or invert itself continuously - or whatever it is you call that particular manner of motion.
Similar action with the foreskin.

Preserving sensitivity: With a circumcised penis, the glans is constantly rubbing against clothing, which erodes its sensitivity. With the foreskin present, this does not occur, thus the sensitivity is preserved. Some examples of how sensitivity impacts our perceptions:
Put in earplugs for several hours, then take them out. Suddenly everything seems really loud. Why? Your ears were sensitized by the lack of stimulus. When the plugs are removed, the tiniest stimulus seems like a big deal.
Or papercuts - why do they hurt so much? Because they're on your fingertips, which have a lot of nerve endings. That same cut most other places will not hurt as much.

Sensitivity of the foreskin: It is less likely to be eroded by constant contact with clothing because it is able to move quite freely.

And the term "calloused" doesn't necessarily refer to the hard patches you might get on your hands and feet from constant pressure. For instance, the skin on your elbows or knees is calloused, but it is still quite pliable. "Calloused" can simply mean that the area has become desensitized. There are two terms too, conveniently:
Callous:
1. Having calluses; toughened: callous skin on the elbow.
2. Emotionally hardened; unfeeling
Versus callus, which does refer to hardened, thickened skin.


It would seem based on your responses that 1) You are exceedingly defensive of your own penis and its connection to your ego, and thus are resistant to anything that might offend this, and 2) you don't know a whole lot about your own equipment.


Originally posted by: Bateluer
Why does everything thread here regarding female genital mutilation always turn towards bashing male circumcision?
Because someone invariably says "cut off the tip of his penis" and then it goes off on a tangent from there, possibly with someone comparing it to cutting off the foreskin, a "useless" piece of skin, something false like this:
Originally posted by: Queasy
Because the clitoris is basically an unformed penis whereas the foreskin is just some extra skin. Big difference between cutting off some otherwise useless flesh and a functioning sensory organ.
 

ghost recon88

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
I didn't even know there was such a thing as female circumcision... :Q

oh, its sick stuff, the worst of the lot actually sew the vagina together with only a small hole for discharge. the husband has to cut her open on his wedding night.

I just lost my lunch on that one...
 
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I think the loss of sensitivity does exist, but since our brains adapt and are so malleable, especially when at a young age, that it ends up really not mattering. Of course, after having masterbated and lived with an uncircumscised penis, your body is accustomed to such sensitivity and therefore after circumscision, you WILL lose sensitivity you had, so it does really matter. To say that one person enjoys sex or has more pleasure in sex than another based upon circumscision probably isn't so accurate.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
I didn't even know there was such a thing as female circumcision... :Q
It's a truly disgusting practice. They need to hang this guy.

I agree. If the mother and/or grandmother were complicit in this incident, hang them too.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
I think the loss of sensitivity does exist, but since our brains adapt and are so malleable, especially when at a young age, that it ends up really not mattering. Of course, after having masterbated and lived with an uncircumscised penis, your body is accustomed to such sensitivity and therefore after circumscision, you WILL lose sensitivity you had, so it does really matter. To say that one person enjoys sex or has more pleasure in sex than another based upon circumscision probably isn't so accurate.

I guess it would be like someone born without a body part, be it working eyes, or parts of limbs. The person has never known what it is like to have vision, or two hands instead of just one, so there's not a traditional sense of losing something, since it was never there in the first place. But in any case, the person is still lacking something that should be there, be it functioning eyes, two hands, or, in this case, working sexual organs.
 

DaWhim

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here we go again

the camp with circumcised men vs the camp with uncircumcised men.

"But circumcision is just a nice way of saying mutilation," First told the jury in his opening statement Tuesday. "There is no doubt that she was mutilated. And this is not something you go to a doctor and do because no doctor will do it. He did this to his own baby."

 

beemercer

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend


LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. - An immigrant from Africa has gone on trial on charges alleging he circumcised his 2-year-old daughter with a pair of scissors to avoid bringing shame on his family.

I think i threw up a little bit in my mouth when i read that.
 

mrSHEiK124

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Jeez you guys argue like little kids. Anyone comparing male circumcision to fvcking female genital MUTILATION is out of their mind. The man cut his daughter's clitoris off, she will NEVER be able to feel more than half the pleasure females experience during sex. Guys on the other hand, have benefits and disadvantages to being circumcised. On one hand, it reduces the risk of infection, etc. On the other, people who grew up uncircumcised but had to have it done later on report feeling less pleasure. Boo-hoo, it's not like being circumcised will take away your ability to have a "foreskin orgasm", but she'll never know what a clitoral orgasm is. My point? They're two, COMPLETELY different things.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
I didn't even know there was such a thing as female circumcision... :Q

oh, its sick stuff, the worst of the lot actually sew the vagina together with only a small hole for discharge. the husband has to cut her open on his wedding night.

I just lost my lunch on that one...

That seems better than removing a clitoris.. Then again I don't know exactly what female discharge is composed of and whether it fits through that hole.
 

theeedude

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Yeah, but 40 years in prison for this? Come on. Women cutting off their husbands wienershnitzel don't even get that much time.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
How is this any different in the base sense? Both were archaic practices driven by cleanliness in a time when bathin and hygene weren't prevelent among societies. Both were further driven by religious foolishness.

Female circumcision was never driven by cleanliness...it carries a much high risk of infection and death.

I agree that both practices are dumb, but male circumcision is much less harmful. It's akin to getting your appendix removed at birth...needless surgery, but fairly routine, with a very small chance that it prevents a problem later in life.

Originally posted by: pinion9
Please bring me empirical, scientific evidence that the foreskin actually provides more functionality than your finger nail, and that functionality alters the penis if removed, and I will concede that you have a valid argument.

You lose a crapload of nerves. There was a person on this very forum who got circumsized at a later age due to some health problems (IIRC), and reported a huge loss of sensation. IMHO circumcision isn't "barbaric", but the reasons against it clearly outweigh the reasons for it.

Female circumcision, however, is barbaric, and there are NO reasons for it and many against it.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: jagec
Female circumcision, however, is barbaric, and there are NO reasons for it and many against it.

Agreed. The only "reason" I see for it, and it was mentioned in the article, was this:

"He said he wanted (the girl) to have it done so that she will not be promiscuous."


Just another form of control over women, to protect the egos of men. I guess it lowers expectations of men by the women - they don't have to be such good husbands when there's less risk of their spouse deciding she's living with an asshole, and that there are better guys out there. It's just men trying to lower competition, only here, they do so by promoting mutilation of the sex they supposedly love. If women were to return the favor, what form would it take, I wonder? As some have mentioned, perhaps just cutting off the glans of the penis would do the trick, and maybe leave the foreskin? Sex would still be possible, just not nearly as good.
God what a sick and petty species ours can be.
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
I didn't even know there was such a thing as female circumcision... :Q

oh, its sick stuff, the worst of the lot actually sew the vagina together with only a small hole for discharge. the husband has to cut her open on his wedding night.

WTF:confused: