G80 De-Mystified; GeForce 8800GTX/GT

[Nightmare225]

It freaks me out that they removed the article from their site. this rarely happens with tech rumors...

 

[Smartazz]

Wow, 700 million transistors, I hope the price drops on the GT enough for me to consider it over my 7900GT. I don't really understand this whole unified shader thing. Can someone please explain? Thanks.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

water cooling is the wimps way out

good air cooling is a fine art.... engineering art. making it fanless air cooling is even more awesome

Ah, comeon otis. I usually agree with your posts but "the wimps way out"? I would dare say that it takes just as much engineering art to make an effective watercooling setup as it does an effective aircooling solution, plus you get better temps which means higher overclocking and/or more silence.


Back on topic- Anyone know how soon ATI and Nvidia are switching to a 65nm process?

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

water cooling is the wimps way out

good air cooling is a fine art.... engineering art. making it fanless air cooling is even more awesome

Ah, comeon otis. I usually agree with your posts but "the wimps way out"? I would dare say that it takes just as much engineering art to make an effective watercooling setup as it does an effective aircooling solution, plus you get better temps which means higher overclocking and/or more silence.


Back on topic- Anyone know how soon ATI and Nvidia are switching to a 65nm process?

my guess would be for the re-spin of r600/G80 probably around july '07

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

water cooling is the wimps way out

good air cooling is a fine art.... engineering art. making it fanless air cooling is even more awesome

Ah, comeon otis. I usually agree with your posts but "the wimps way out"? I would dare say that it takes just as much engineering art to make an effective watercooling setup as it does an effective aircooling solution, plus you get better temps which means higher overclocking and/or more silence.


Back on topic- Anyone know how soon ATI and Nvidia are switching to a 65nm process?

my guess would be for the re-spin of r600/G80 probably around july '07

I heard that it would be with the G90, but you're probobly right.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Case point: 65nm.

Case point that people are suspecting this to be 80nm like the GO 7700, or even 65nm itself from the spec.

Even if it's not, it should be. A card that leeches this much power needs a kick in the arse down to a smaller process.

You simply cant cram that many transistors into a GPU that isnt workstation class at 80nm, the yields would be far far too low.

The only way you will see 700m on 80nm is if its 2 chips on one package.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Case point: 65nm.

Case point that people are suspecting this to be 80nm like the GO 7700, or even 65nm itself from the spec.

Even if it's not, it should be. A card that leeches this much power needs a kick in the arse down to a smaller process.

You simply cant cram that many transistors into a GPU that isnt workstation class at 80nm, the yields would be far far too low.

The only way you will see 700m on 80nm is if its 2 chips on one package.

Like the 7950GX2?

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Case point: 65nm.

Case point that people are suspecting this to be 80nm like the GO 7700, or even 65nm itself from the spec.

Even if it's not, it should be. A card that leeches this much power needs a kick in the arse down to a smaller process.

You simply cant cram that many transistors into a GPU that isnt workstation class at 80nm, the yields would be far far too low.

The only way you will see 700m on 80nm is if its 2 chips on one package.

Like the 7950GX2?

Exactly what I was thinking. I don't get why so many people here easily forget about what NVIDIA accomplished with the 7950GX2...

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Case point: 65nm.

Case point that people are suspecting this to be 80nm like the GO 7700, or even 65nm itself from the spec.

Even if it's not, it should be. A card that leeches this much power needs a kick in the arse down to a smaller process.

You simply cant cram that many transistors into a GPU that isnt workstation class at 80nm, the yields would be far far too low.

The only way you will see 700m on 80nm is if its 2 chips on one package.

Like the 7950GX2?

Exactly what I was thinking. I don't get why so many people here easily forget about what NVIDIA accomplished with the 7950GX2...

I guess you like your 7950GX2. I wonder if it'll be dual cards or dual chips on one card.

 

[Acanthus]

One package and one card are not the same thing.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
It freaks me out that they removed the article from their site. this rarely happens with tech rumors...

Makes you wonder if some forum administrator is just having fun playing with our heads...

I would dare say that it takes just as much engineering art to make an effective watercooling setup as it does an effective aircooling solution, plus you get better temps which means higher overclocking and/or more silence.

QFT. I don't think I'll ever go back to air cooling. With water, you don't have to worry about temps, the noise per cooling performance ratio is better, and--lets face it--it looks awesome. It's just all around better, but also carries a greater risk. I probably won't go any further than water though. Phase cooling is just too extreme for me.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
It freaks me out that they removed the article from their site. this rarely happens with tech rumors...

Makes you wonder if some forum administrator is just having fun playing with our heads...

I would dare say that it takes just as much engineering art to make an effective watercooling setup as it does an effective aircooling solution, plus you get better temps which means higher overclocking and/or more silence.

QFT. I don't think I'll ever go back to air cooling. With water, you don't have to worry about temps, the noise per cooling performance ratio is better, and--lets face it--it looks awesome. It's just all around better, but also carries a greater risk. I probably won't go any further than water though. Phase cooling is just too extreme for me.

Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Ill believe it when I see it. 1.5Ghz clock?

Well, it did say "scalable" to 1.5gig. Wasnt the P4 supposed to go past 4gig? That didnt work out so well.

Ill wait for real info, speculating at this point is for nothing but amusement.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Genx87
Ill believe it when I see it. 1.5Ghz clock?

Well, it did say "scalable" to 1.5gig. Wasnt the P4 supposed to go past 4gig? That didnt work out so well.

Ill wait for real info, speculating at this point is for nothing but amusement.

Well, it is possible. Just overclock one of those EEs.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Genx87
Ill believe it when I see it. 1.5Ghz clock?

Well, it did say "scalable" to 1.5gig. Wasnt the P4 supposed to go past 4gig? That didnt work out so well.

Ill wait for real info, speculating at this point is for nothing but amusement.

Well, it is possible. Just overclock one of those EEs.

EE's?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

What do you mean by "smaller?"

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

What do you mean by "smaller?"

I meant, trying to fit a cooling block in my case rather than a Scythe Mine or Scythe infinity.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Genx87
Ill believe it when I see it. 1.5Ghz clock?

Well, it did say "scalable" to 1.5gig. Wasnt the P4 supposed to go past 4gig? That didnt work out so well.

Ill wait for real info, speculating at this point is for nothing but amusement.

Hehe, we were supposed to have 10Ghz P4s by now by their original estimate.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

What do you mean by "smaller?"

I meant, trying to fit a cooling block in my case rather than a Scythe Mine or Scythe infinity.

Seriously...my Big Typhoon takes a lotta room out of the top part of my case.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

What do you mean by "smaller?"

I meant, trying to fit a cooling block in my case rather than a Scythe Mine or Scythe infinity.

The amount of room that a good radiator(s) can take up, tubing, pump(s), and maybe reservoir(s)--depending on the type--can be just as cluttering as putting in oversized heatsinks. I personally had to get a larger case--TJ06 to a TJ07--to effectively water cool using the components I picked.

I see your point though, some of those heatsinks are ridiculous in size. However, to beat them the water cooling properties one would need would be almost as equally in size if not more.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

What do you mean by "smaller?"

I meant, trying to fit a cooling block in my case rather than a Scythe Mine or Scythe infinity.

The amount of room that a good radiator(s) can take up, tubing, pump(s), and maybe reservoir(s)--depending on the type--can be just as cluttering as putting in oversized heatsinks. I personally had to get a larger case--TJ06 to a TJ07--to effectively water cool using the components I picked.

I see your point though, some of those heatsinks are ridiculous in size. However, to beat them the water cooling properties one would need would be almost as equally in size if not more.

whoa thanks, does anything think I could fit a Scythe Mine in a Centurion 5 though?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

What do you mean by "smaller?"

I meant, trying to fit a cooling block in my case rather than a Scythe Mine or Scythe infinity.

The amount of room that a good radiator(s) can take up, tubing, pump(s), and maybe reservoir(s)--depending on the type--can be just as cluttering as putting in oversized heatsinks. I personally had to get a larger case--TJ06 to a TJ07--to effectively water cool using the components I picked.

I see your point though, some of those heatsinks are ridiculous in size. However, to beat them the water cooling properties one would need would be almost as equally in size if not more.

You can place all of that externally.

All that really has to be in the case is the block/s and the tubes that run to it/them.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
You can place all of that externally.

All that really has to be in the case is the block/s and the tubes that run to it/them.

And typically the pump/reservoir.

 

[NanoStuff]

A blank white page... well, that's the best G80 preview I've seen so far, no doubt about that.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Yeah I'm interested in liquid cooling too, I could spend less with an air cooling system, but it's a lot smaller getting a cheaper water cooling system and it looks so much hotter, so I agree with you.

What do you mean by "smaller?"

I meant, trying to fit a cooling block in my case rather than a Scythe Mine or Scythe infinity.

The amount of room that a good radiator(s) can take up, tubing, pump(s), and maybe reservoir(s)--depending on the type--can be just as cluttering as putting in oversized heatsinks. I personally had to get a larger case--TJ06 to a TJ07--to effectively water cool using the components I picked.

I see your point though, some of those heatsinks are ridiculous in size. However, to beat them the water cooling properties one would need would be almost as equally in size if not more.

You can place all of that externally.

All that really has to be in the case is the block/s and the tubes that run to it/them.

True, but then not only does your water cooling setup look sloppy and carries less of an appeal than oversized heatsinks, but it also takes up more room around the case itself, lengthens the tubing required which can decrease flow rate, and possibly prevents someone from closing the case with their side panel because tubes are being led into it. External water cooling units that do look okay and are as stream lined as possible don't have the quality and therefore performance of one that has been manually configured.

does anything think I could fit a Scythe Mine in a Centurion 5 though?

Perhaps, I had that case about a year ago and I'm trying to remember if it seemed wide enough. Just find out the measurements for the height of the Scythe Mine and measure the distance between the top of you processor to the outside-side panel of your case.