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[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Oh really? LOL, whatever... You suck, at least I can back up my statements.

The ass-clown posts here


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My post against him had nothing to do with defending nVidia. It had everything to do with him being a Troll and trolling the entire forum trying to flame people. But you, KeepItRed, have proved how small of a mind you have. You must believe that everything is a war of ATI V nVidia... Unlike you, I can care less who slams who, but I do not have to put up with a troll just trolling around, and you are becoming a troll yourself.

Meh, I've never been or will be a troll since I don't post " LOL YOU SUCK " <- straight from a troll who's getting angry.

And if you scroll up on this thread, you'll see someones talking about "Dissapearing vehicles" so it doesn't sound like trolly news to me if people actually have the problems.

 

[Keysplayr]

Are disappearing vehicles caused by shimmering? Or is it sight distance option in the game like far cry has? Could be just game settings man.

 

[KeepItRed]

Killrose:

With my 6800U when playing BF2 I see vehicles in the distance shimmer (dissapear/re-apear) is this the problem?

He says it's shimmering..I think it has to do with Anisotrophic Filtering.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Oh really? LOL, whatever... You suck, at least I can back up my statements.

The ass-clown posts here


Edit **

My post against him had nothing to do with defending nVidia. It had everything to do with him being a Troll and trolling the entire forum trying to flame people. But you, KeepItRed, have proved how small of a mind you have. You must believe that everything is a war of ATI V nVidia... Unlike you, I can care less who slams who, but I do not have to put up with a troll just trolling around, and you are becoming a troll yourself.

Meh, I've never been or will be a troll since I don't post " LOL YOU SUCK " <- straight from a troll who's getting angry.

And if you scroll up on this thread, you'll see someones talking about "Dissapearing vehicles" so it doesn't sound like trolly news to me if people actually have the problems.

Actually, I am perfectly happy and your post to me made me chuckle how someone can be so simple minded that they cannot understand that everything isn't about "ATI Versus nVidia". Cheers :beer:

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Oh really? LOL, whatever... You suck, at least I can back up my statements.

The ass-clown posts here


Edit **

My post against him had nothing to do with defending nVidia. It had everything to do with him being a Troll and trolling the entire forum trying to flame people. But you, KeepItRed, have proved how small of a mind you have. You must believe that everything is a war of ATI V nVidia... Unlike you, I can care less who slams who, but I do not have to put up with a troll just trolling around, and you are becoming a troll yourself.

Meh, I've never been or will be a troll since I don't post " LOL YOU SUCK " <- straight from a troll who's getting angry.

And if you scroll up on this thread, you'll see someones talking about "Dissapearing vehicles" so it doesn't sound like trolly news to me if people actually have the problems.

Actually, I am perfectly happy and your post to me made me chuckle how someone can be so simple minded that they cannot understand that everything isn't about "ATI Versus nVidia". Cheers :beer:

lol I don't ONLY post in the Video section but when I do 3/4 threads are about ATI pwning this Nvidia owning that, or troubleshooting.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Posting decent news huh. Well it is a double post, and all he has done is insult one company. He hasn't posted anything worth while. You are not much better. While neither of you have done anything serious, i wouldn't think you are in good standing with anyone. I would just watch what you say, because no one wants either of you around here.

-Kevin

Well "-Kevin" I don't see you spectating any side. As far as I can see your another NV fanboi yourself. I mean if he posts news so what, if he flames one company, let it be, everyone likes their preference it just depends to what level your taking it too. Besides I'm sure lots of people don't want other people here as well, including you but you don't have to point it out.

Although he had made some incredibly stupid posts, news is news...I'm an ATI fan myself and I don't flame NV that hardcore. In fact I still have my picky's with ATI.

What spectating would you like me to do? I have posted more than my fair share in the thread with this exact same topic. There is no speculation here either. Nvidia is correcting the error in the Rel. 80 driver, what more do you want?

Use common sense here. Having a personal preference, and outright flaming the other company is completely different.

Not many want me here? Im sure many many times more people want me here than do you. I would stop critiquing me, who has posted multiple threads that have earned stickies, and multiple Guides. When you can post anywhere near the amount of information, or at least learn enough to comment come back and we will talk.

Once again, having a personal preference and blatantly ignoring all the other features of another company are completely different.

-Kevin

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Oh really? LOL, whatever... You suck, at least I can back up my statements.

The ass-clown posts here


Edit **

My post against him had nothing to do with defending nVidia. It had everything to do with him being a Troll and trolling the entire forum trying to flame people. But you, KeepItRed, have proved how small of a mind you have. You must believe that everything is a war of ATI V nVidia... Unlike you, I can care less who slams who, but I do not have to put up with a troll just trolling around, and you are becoming a troll yourself.

1. i dont flame other ppl. I flame arguments, products and multimillion dollar companies, whenever they seem to be wrong designed.
2. I wrote much more stupid bs than that tittie post. u dont wanna kno. pls dont use search button. No ban, and that proves there is still the freedom of speech. God save America. See, what i mean?
3. this G70 has the same flaw like the 6800 series, its even worse. And iam asking myself, why oh why is that. I dont know if u can answer this, but my theory is NV is sacrificing image quality for higher fps so they can be on top of the benchmarks while the kids in this years summer holidays wanted to spend their parents money. I dont believe in the "its so damn new tech, of course it has flaws but next drivers will change that easily theory" (if that happens anyways, then i was wrong and u win the first price). They must have known the problem alot earlier and they did from the 6800 series. 77.77 adds support for the G70 series, but the problem is still there. I mean, its a damn graphic card, and they test it with games befor selling it, didnt they see what the users do see now?
And now its ur turn again...call me a troll and whatever..

 

[Gamingphreek]

You are exaggerating this effect WAY WAY too much. Are you saying because of a SLIGHT flicker you would buy an X800 over a 7800GTX if they were similiarly priced?? Not only that if on the outside chance they were sacrificing IQ, it would not result in 100% framerate gains. You are purposely causing problems, and just being a complete nusance.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/g70_flimmern/index_e.php

Nvidia sucks. ATI rules. So easy.

http://www.umass.edu/aesop/foxgrapes/palica/foxgrapes_trad.html

 

[daftpunkit]

3. this G70 has the same flaw like the 6800 series, its even worse. And iam asking myself, why oh why is that. I dont know if u can answer this, but my theory is NV is sacrificing image quality for higher fps so they can be on top of the benchmarks while the kids in this years summer holidays wanted to spend their parents money. I dont believe in the "its so damn new tech, of course it has flaws but next drivers will change that easily theory" (if that happens anyways, then i was wrong and u win the first price). They must have known the problem alot earlier and they did from the 6800 series. 77.77 adds support for the G70 series, but the problem is still there. I mean, its a damn graphic card, and they test it with games befor selling it, didnt they see what the users do see now?
And now its ur turn again...call me a troll and whatever..

I'll call you a ATi fanboi.

OBVIOUSLY some people don't notice it, or even care because LOTS of people have the 7800GT/X and ENJOY it. Who are you to judge someone just because they like to buy new technology.

 

[AiponGkooja]

I guess it's good that people like to post news about things that some people like to hear, but you all need to stfu with the insulting of different companies and of each other. Guess what, nobody's perfect, life isn't perfect, the products you buy aren't perfect, so get the F**k over it. Buy what you want, share you opinions, share your news, but leave the bickering for somewhere else please.

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
STFU Troll.

They didn't lie, nor did they reduce quality from the 6 series. Stop making things out worse than they are.

Yes, NV did reduce the IQ on the 7800?s over the 6800. That was one of the major points of the 3Dcenter article. The texture shimmering is worse on the 7800?s in both Q and HQ settings compared to the 6800.

.. There is supposedly, SLIGHT texture shimmering. As Rollo said, you REALLY have to look for it to notice it. You are making out like the whole screen is suffering from Vertical Tearing or something.

Depends on the game.

beyond3d

BF2 shimmers very badly for me, unless quality is set to the highest. It looks horrible and is very distracting.

Some NV users are probably so used to it they think it?s normal.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Blastman this is ridiculous

They DID NOT reduce IQ on the 7 series. Flickering, even if it is on the outside chance under rendering or whatever, is not a significantly lower IQ. Especially since it was present on the 6 series which leads me to believe that it is a bug. Additionally why is 3dCenter one of the ONLY sights to see this. How come Anand, Xbit, Guru3d etc (even Tom's) fail to notice any of this. Anand even uses a 9800Pro as default!

Now you are borderline BS. This is NO WHERE NEAR borderline vertical tearing. Have you ever seen Vertical Tearing before. It looks like an encrypted Cable TV channel or VCR Cassette that is in horrible focus. The entire screen is like scrolling vertically, UNREADABLE. It is no where near this caliber. Like i said you have to look for it to see it, and even then, while in some games it is more noticable than others, it is little more than a nusance.

You cant "get used to" shimmering textures. The minute they put that card in they would have noticed.

Like i said you are exaggerating way beyond what this little matter is.

Nvidia is fixing it in the Rel. 80 drivers. Now stop complaining about it, and starting problems over it.

-Kevin

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Blastman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
STFU Troll.

They didn't lie, nor did they reduce quality from the 6 series. Stop making things out worse than they are.

Yes, NV did reduce the IQ on the 7800?s over the 6800. That was one of the major points of the 3Dcenter article. The texture shimmering is worse on the 7800?s in both Q and HQ settings compared to the 6800.

.. There is supposedly, SLIGHT texture shimmering. As Rollo said, you REALLY have to look for it to notice it. You are making out like the whole screen is suffering from Vertical Tearing or something.

Depends on the game.

beyond3d

BF2 shimmers very badly for me, unless quality is set to the highest. It looks horrible and is very distracting.

Some NV users are probably so used to it they think it?s normal.

I know shimmering when I see it and do not settle for a card that shimmers. I went through 3 (three) early R300 cards thinking I had bad cards. I finally gave up and bought a Ti4600. Months later, I built another rig and put in that 9700 that had the shimmering, but by then much newer drivers were available from ATI. No more shimmering.

So, I know it when I see it. My 6800GT has superb image quality and has never shimmered in any game I have ever played on it. I am sure of this because I never did any troubleshooting for shimmering, or anything else for that matter. I can't speak for the 7800 series because I don't own one, but I can say it's a safe bet it is driver related. Just have a little patience BlingBlong. Which model 7800 do you have anyway? I want to look into it further. I am in the market myself for one.

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Blastman this is ridiculous

They DID NOT reduce IQ on the 7 series. Flickering, even if it is on the outside chance under rendering or whatever, is not a significantly lower IQ.

Huh?????? ?, what are you talking about -- at least use some basic rules of common sense logic. You?re saying on one hand NV did not reduce IQ on the 7800?s -- then on the other hand it?s not significantly lower? :disgust: Well, what is it? Did they lower IQ or not?

The fact is they did reduce IQ. The 7800 is the same ?basic? architecture as the 6800 as far AF goes, so NV could have just used the same AF routine from the 6800 -- but they didn?t did they? They added more opts. So what you?re saying is ridiculous. You seem to be such a NV fan you?re wearing blinders; you defend NV no matter what the facts.

The texture aliasing issue has been let slide by all the other Hardware sites out there. It?s a difficult issue to address IQ wise because the exact causes are not known. It takes a lot of game testing because it varies from game to game. If you bothered to read the original threads on texture aliasing on the 6800, you?ll see there were lots of complaints about it. The IQ problem never went away, people just accepted it and the complaints died down.

Nvidia is fixing it in the Rel. 80 drivers. Now stop complaining about it, and starting problems over it.

It?s a problem for users until it?s fixed. So we?ll see if and what type of solution NV comes up with.

 

[MBrown]

These online fights are funny to read...give me something to do.

 

[fstime]

STFU Troll.

LOL, getting a little mad there arn't ya.

 

[KeepItRed]

http://www.umass.edu/aesop/foxgrapes/palica/foxgrapes_trad.html

Pwned.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

lol, i liked that one too.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Blastman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Blastman this is ridiculous

They DID NOT reduce IQ on the 7 series. Flickering, even if it is on the outside chance under rendering or whatever, is not a significantly lower IQ.

Huh?????? ?, what are you talking about -- at least use some basic rules of common sense logic. You?re saying on one hand NV did not reduce IQ on the 7800?s -- then on the other hand it?s not significantly lower? :disgust: Well, what is it? Did they lower IQ or not?

The fact is they did reduce IQ. The 7800 is the same ?basic? architecture as the 6800 as far AF goes, so NV could have just used the same AF routine from the 6800 -- but they didn?t did they? They added more opts. So what you?re saying is ridiculous. You seem to be such a NV fan you?re wearing blinders; you defend NV no matter what the facts.

The texture aliasing issue has been let slide by all the other Hardware sites out there. It?s a difficult issue to address IQ wise because the exact causes are not known. It takes a lot of game testing because it varies from game to game. If you bothered to read the original threads on texture aliasing on the 6800, you?ll see there were lots of complaints about it. The IQ problem never went away, people just accepted it and the complaints died down.

Nvidia is fixing it in the Rel. 80 drivers. Now stop complaining about it, and starting problems over it.

It?s a problem for users until it?s fixed. So we?ll see if and what type of solution NV comes up with.

I said IF it was lowered intentionally and not a bug then it was not significantly lower. You have no proof that this is undersampling the image. For all you know (for all i know) it could be a bug.

I am not an Nvidia fan boy. Ill buy whoever has the best card for my needs on the market. I want a 9800Pro so badly when i bought my current card, but (i was younger so not as much $) i could not afford it, and it didn't have VIVO. I dont care who wins the war. I am more comfortable with Nvidia since i haven't used ATI since the very early Radeons (Bad drivers back then) and have had only limited use now. Just because im saying they didn't and providing evidence against your claims automatically makes me a fanboy??

What does AF have anything do do with the shimmering when it is turned off. If it is off then there should be no shimmering if AF is the culprit.

As for texture aliasing, why can you not provide evidence from a site other than 3dCenter. It would seem to me that 3dCenter is the only site so far that is complaining about these "issues". I have just showed you that neither Anandtech, nor X-Bit, nor Guru3d, nor HotHardware, nor Toms even MENTIONED anything about this. Had they even mentioned it i could then maybe see where you are coming from.

Defend no matter the facts. It would seem that only 1 site has the "facts". And it would seem that only a fair few people in here seem to think and preach those "facts".

Ok if it is a problem until it is fixed then shut up about it until then.

-Kevin

 

[reever]

As for texture aliasing, why can you not provide evidence from a site other than 3dCenter. It would seem to me that 3dCenter is the only site so far that is complaining about these "issues". I have just showed you that neither Anandtech, nor X-Bit, nor Guru3d, nor HotHardware, nor Toms even MENTIONED anything about this.

Try and figure out why no mainstream sites mention it

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: reever

As for texture aliasing, why can you not provide evidence from a site other than 3dCenter. It would seem to me that 3dCenter is the only site so far that is complaining about these "issues". I have just showed you that neither Anandtech, nor X-Bit, nor Guru3d, nor HotHardware, nor Toms even MENTIONED anything about this.

Try and figure out why no mainstream sites mention it

Oh come on. Another conspiracy? You guys are blowing this waaaay out of proportion too soon. Wait for the drivers.