G3900 Celeron... still waiting.

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crashtech

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I would like to try it out first myself, but yes, I'm also interested in customer builds. For most of my customers, I don't see much difference in effective performance between the G4400 and G3900, but it is an extra $20 of expense.
For cheap but fairly effective customer builds, there's still the $43 G1820. By the same logic you use, it will not be that different from a G3900.

Couple a low-end big core with generous RAM and a small SSD and most users are blown away by performance that puts any new prebuilt in a similar price range to shame, that is, until they load their machine up with useless freeware, spyware, malware, etc...
 

LTC8K6

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HD530 is a large boost over HD510, though.

HD510 is slower than the old HD4400 according to Notebook Check.
 

VirtualLarry

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For cheap but fairly effective customer builds, there's still the $43 G1820. By the same logic you use, it will not be that different from a G3900.
I just picked up a couple of G1820 CPUs for under $40 ea, NIB, shipped.

Couple a low-end big core with generous RAM and a small SSD and most users are blown away by performance that puts any new prebuilt in a similar price range to shame, that is, until they load their machine up with useless freeware, spyware, malware, etc...

That's how I build them too.
 

VirtualLarry

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Well, we started waiting in Jan or so, and now it's April, and still no sign of the G3900 at Newegg or Amazon US.

Whether ShintaiDK wants to believe conspiracy theories or not, I strongly feel that Intel is delaying (or may even cancel) G3900 and friends release, in order to prop up their ASP and force buyers to purchase more expensive chips.

I've been forced to buy H81 boards and G1820 CPUs (and even those have dried up, now next-cheapest is G1840 for $50, rather than $40-ish).

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise - Intel's Skylake iGPU drivers are still very immature, while Haswell's is fairly well debugged.
 

waltchan

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Well, we started waiting in Jan or so, and now it's April, and still no sign of the G3900 at Newegg or Amazon US.

Whether ShintaiDK wants to believe conspiracy theories or not, I strongly feel that Intel is delaying (or may even cancel) G3900 and friends release, in order to prop up their ASP and force buyers to purchase more expensive chips.

I've been forced to buy H81 boards and G1820 CPUs (and even those have dried up, now next-cheapest is G1840 for $50, rather than $40-ish).

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise - Intel's Skylake iGPU drivers are still very immature, while Haswell's is fairly well debugged.
I think the problem with G3900's delay is due to Intel having lots of G1840/G1850 left for sale in warehouse. They're clearing them out before they even release out G3900.

$50 is a lot of money for G1840 when A4-3300 is readily available for $15 with heatsink.
 

VirtualLarry

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I think the problem with G3900's delay is due to Intel having lots of G1840/G1850 left for sale in warehouse. They're clearing them out before they even release out G3900.
Yeah, I was kind of thinking that too.
$50 is a lot of money for G1840 when A4-3300 is readily available for $15 with heatsink.
True, true. But the G1840 can hybrid decode VP9, and do other nifty things like QuickSync encoding. The A4-3300 cannot, really.
 

VirtualLarry

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antonline has them on ebay now, for $59.33. Ouch! I don't quite see why vendors are charging near G4400 prices, for a significantly slower SKL SKU. I guess just because they're new? If I had the choice, and there was only $5 difference between the Celeron and Pentium, I'd get the Pentium.
 

waltchan

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antonline has them on ebay now, for $59.33. Ouch! I don't quite see why vendors are charging near G4400 prices, for a significantly slower SKL SKU. I guess just because they're new? If I had the choice, and there was only $5 difference between the Celeron and Pentium, I'd get the Pentium.
Oh yes, you know Intel. Always makes your life harder. D: It can take 1/2 year for prices to drop below $45, and then $35 next year when refresh comes out. Fry's Electronics plan to sell this for $29 if in-stock.
 
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antonline has them on ebay now, for $59.33. Ouch! I don't quite see why vendors are charging near G4400 prices, for a significantly slower SKL SKU. I guess just because they're new? If I had the choice, and there was only $5 difference between the Celeron and Pentium, I'd get the Pentium.

If supply is still constrained, resellers will automatically price them higher (Newegg and Amazon both do this.) Automatically as in "No human involved. The computer did it."

They'll probably drop closer to MSRP.

But looking at the specs, honestly, there's not a lot to distinguish the 3900 from the 4400 except slightly higher clockspeeds and an extra MB of L3 cache. I doubt most people could tell the difference between two otherwise identical machines in a blind test. So why should the 3900 be 2/3 the price of the 4400?
 

ShintaiDK

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The G3900 was in stock and sold in Europe since January 29th or longer.

The US is simply behind. The 75W GTX950 was sold in Europe for a month before it came on Newegg. Not to mention the 6700K story.
 

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The G3900 was in stock and sold in Europe since January 29th or longer.

The US is simply behind. The 75W GTX950 was sold in Europe for a month before it came on Newegg. Not to mention the 6700K story.
Yes this is true, european stores have them for a few months now. Not sure why they didn't stock the american stores tho.
 

waltchan

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Yes this is true, european stores have them for a few months now. Not sure why they didn't stock the american stores tho.
USA inventories are clearing out all the unsold Haswell Celerons first, that's why the delay.
 

Shivansps

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G3900 and G3920 are i Newegg now, just at a stupid high price.

lol, G3920 is more expensive than G4400.
 

waltchan

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My mind on the new Skylake Celerons have changed completely after I first heard there are still unsold ECS FM1 boards and A4-3300 processors lying around. Last year, this combo deal didn't exist and we were forced to feed on Celeron G1820 as being the best deal. Now a new $15 A4-3300 with heatsink pops up and you can buy at anytime, and it's becoming a better value each day than any Intels. How much has changed from last year. :sneaky:
 

TeknoBug

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My mind on the new Skylake Celerons have changed completely after I first heard there are still unsold ECS FM1 boards and A4-3300 processors lying around. Last year, this combo deal didn't exist and we were forced to feed on Celeron G1820 as being the best deal. Now a new $15 A4-3300 with heatsink pops up and you can buy at anytime, and it's becoming a better value each day than any Intels. How much has changed from last year. :sneaky:

Where do you find them at such prices like that? They're still listed as $55 here, same price of an Athlon 5350 and I'd pick the 5350 over that.
 

skipsneeky2

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My mind on the new Skylake Celerons have changed completely after I first heard there are still unsold ECS FM1 boards and A4-3300 processors lying around. Last year, this combo deal didn't exist and we were forced to feed on Celeron G1820 as being the best deal. Now a new $15 A4-3300 with heatsink pops up and you can buy at anytime, and it's becoming a better value each day than any Intels. How much has changed from last year. :sneaky:

The price of a G1820 isn't much and outside of modern games,the chip really does deliver.I was skeptical of modern Celerons and keep asking my wife how her G1820 is as i really considered a i3 upgrade .Shes beyond happy.

I think any cheaper then a G1820 build,you mind as well be buying a refurbished E8400/Q6600 rig and slapping in a cheap gpu.Not sure where a A4-3300 benches but i bet its damn close to a E8400.
 

jpiniero

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The price of a G1820 isn't much and outside of modern games,the chip really does deliver.I was skeptical of modern Celerons and keep asking my wife how her G1820 is as i really considered a i3 upgrade .Shes beyond happy.

You're really were surprised a 2.7 Ghz Haswell wouldn't be enough for everyday usage? You can see why people have gravitated towards lower power devices, the extra performance isn't really necessary for everyday usage.
 

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I think any cheaper then a G1820 build,you mind as well be buying a refurbished E8400/Q6600 rig and slapping in a cheap gpu.Not sure where a A4-3300 benches but i bet its damn close to a E8400.

Passmark of A4-3300: 1535 CPU marks http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A4-3300+APU
Passmark of E8400: 2179 CPU marks https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8400+@+3.00GHz

As far as iGPU vs. cheap dGPU goes I compared GPU core power here.

Here is a comparison of the GPU core on the A4-3300, A4-3420, Power Color HD5450 and a generic HD6450:

A4-3300: 160sp VLIW5 (DX11) @ 443 MHz
A4-3420: 160sp VLIW5 (DX11) @ 600 Mhz

HD5450 1GB: 80sp VLIW5 (DX11) @ 650 Mhz
HD6450: 160sp VLIW5 (DX11) @ 625 Mhz

So iGPU on the A4-3300 is 36% more powerful than the Power Color HD5450 (160 x 443/80 x 650= 1.36)

And the HD6450 is 4% more powerful than the iGPU on the A4-3420 (160 x 625/160 x 600 = 1.04)

A few additional things to consider:

The FM1 ECS boards have VGA (the Power color HD5450 does not). They are also in new condition whereas the refurb E8400 machine are used. However, the refurb machines can be very cheap and they do come with a Windows license.

P.S. The Power color HD5450 routinely sells for $9.99 AR free shipping ---> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2403091
 
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skipsneeky2

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You're really were surprised a 2.7 Ghz Haswell wouldn't be enough for everyday usage? You can see why people have gravitated towards lower power devices, the extra performance isn't really necessary for everyday usage.

Your right,wife was happy with her cheap tablet till i built her that tower.A couple games pretty much had me building her that tower.The games run fine on a G1820 but one of the games really wouldn't run well on anything less.

Have to admit Celeron has had a bad wrap back in the past,my previous usage of them wasn't exactly something i enjoy.Buying one wasn't exactly something i thought i would do some day but now that i have,they work.
 

waltchan

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Where do you find them at such prices like that? They're still listed as $55 here, same price of an Athlon 5350 and I'd pick the 5350 over that.
Search for eBay item #152009289374. It has already depreciated and lost 80% in value from its original MSRP. Interestingly how people still don't believe CPUs do depreciate in value.
 

Shivansps

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Im petty sure HD510 is able to outperform both HD6450 and A4-3300 IGP perf. Not to mention multimedia avantages.

And lets not forget FM1 A55 motherboards does not have any USB 3.0 port, and only SATA2, Its time to stop selling outdated crap.
Even the cheaper H110 will have digital out, front/rear USB3 and SATA 3 ports.
 

crashtech

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The AMD A4-3300 has ST performance on par with a slow Core2 Duo. Not exactly what knowledgeable builders would recommend in 2016. But they ARE cheap, and it's because they are dog slow.

The only low-end AMD APU I can find that has decent performance on a budget is the $75-80 A8-7600. At least then you won't have ST performance that is in the toilet.