G3900 Celeron... still waiting.

[ShintaiDK]

Still waiting for the G3900's release. What happened to those estimated ship times on Amazon? Now it says, "not available", with no ETA listed.

Has Intel cancelled the SKL Celerons?

They are in stock in Europe.

 

[Yuriman]

Well, I ended up buying an i3-6100 for my non-OC Asus H110 mobo, but I'm fairly unimpressed. The extra two threads do nothing really for my DC work.

Still waiting for the G3900's release. What happened to those estimated ship times on Amazon? Now it says, "not available", with no ETA listed.

Has Intel cancelled the SKL Celerons?

Hyperthreading doesn't do nearly as much when all of the threads are competing for the same resources. Maybe try running a different kind of DC on the other two threads?

 

[Denithor]

Think of HT as a scheduling assistant. HT helps by queueing up the next tasks that need to be worked on so the work flows more smoothly through the physical cores (less waiting for the next task to be chosen).

In DC, HT can improve PPD by ~20% IIRC from my F@H days. Going to a true quad helps much more, nearly 1x improvement for each additional core.

So, if clock speeds and caches and everything were the same, you'd see something like this:

Dual no HT - 100
Dual w/ HT - 120
Quad no HT - 200
Quad w/ HT - 240

But honestly, aren't the PPD from GPU crunching much, much higher? To the point that, back when I ran F@H I think I folded exclusively on GPU at the end, the PPD from CPU were almost inconsequential.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

The extra two threads do nothing really for my DC work.

Yeah, Hyperthreading only really helps if the two threads in question are doing different things.

Still, if you restrict the DC to two threads, the bigger caches and stuff should help the i3 shine vs. the Pentium/Celery.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yeah, Hyperthreading only really helps if the two threads in question are doing different things.

Still, if you restrict the DC to two threads, the bigger caches and stuff should help the i3 shine vs. the Pentium/Celery.

Well, the Pentiums have the same amount of cache as the i3's.

But, the i3-6100 is still running at 3.7Ghz. Much faster than a G3900.

Not sure how it wouldn't do well in DC compared to slower 2 core Celerons or Pentiums, HT or no.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, the Pentiums have the same amount of cache as the i3's.

But, the i3-6100 is still running at 3.7Ghz. Much faster than a G3900.

Not sure how it wouldn't do well in DC compared to slower 2 core Celerons or Pentiums, HT or no.

Oh, yeah, the i3 has AVX/AVX2 too. That should theoretically speed some things up, for projects that support it.

 

[grimpr]

AVX/AVX2 doesnt matter, the high clocks and the HT particularly make the i3's fly.

 

[waltchan]

Be patient...It will come. Micro Center has the Pentium G4400 in-stock for $49.99 right now, so I figure $39.99 is the price I will pick up when the Celeron G3900 comes in. Can't wait...

One thing to note, the frequency speed rating between two has become more further apart than Haswell before. Now it's 2.8GHz vs. 3.3GHz difference. In Haswell launch before, it was 2.7GHz vs. 3.0GHz.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Does anyone wonder if perhaps, Intel is intentionally delaying the production of the SKL Celeron CPUs, such that they can have upgraded microcode from the factory, that will prevent overclocking? Can you imagine how much fun these little chips could be, if they were released to the wild, and overclockable? People getting 4.6Ghz+ on a little $40 Celly. Could be the next smash hit.

 

[SPBHM]

I remember haswell and ivy bridge celeron also taking a lot longer than the rest.

AMD also kind of doing the same with Athlon X4s vs the more expensive IGP enabled FM2 parts

I think they just hold for while trying to sell more expensive/higher margin (even if a Pentium) stuff first?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Does anyone wonder if perhaps, Intel is intentionally delaying the production of the SKL Celeron CPUs, such that they can have upgraded microcode from the factory, that will prevent overclocking? Can you imagine how much fun these little chips could be, if they were released to the wild, and overclockable? People getting 4.6Ghz+ on a little $40 Celly. Could be the next smash hit.

I find it funny you are already deep into conspiracy theories. Yet already told the CPU is out in Europe. US market is just behind the curve. Remember 6700K?

https://www.alternate.de/Intel(R)/C...t/1228139?campaign=Sockel+1151/Intel®/1228139
http://www.f-m-shop.de/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/608763
http://xitra24.de/eshop.php?action=article_detail&rid=gh&s_supplier_aid=5734708

And for those not in stock, its a 1-5 days delivery due to demand.
http://geizhals.eu/intel-celeron-g3...e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&v=e

 

[waltchan]

Does anyone wonder if perhaps, Intel is intentionally delaying the production of the SKL Celeron CPUs, such that they can have upgraded microcode from the factory, that will prevent overclocking? Can you imagine how much fun these little chips could be, if they were released to the wild, and overclockable? People getting 4.6Ghz+ on a little $40 Celly. Could be the next smash hit.

All the Skylake Celerons will be LOCKED since Intel already updated the new codes prior to any CPU manufacturing.

 

[waltchan]

I remember haswell and ivy bridge celeron also taking a lot longer than the rest.

AMD also kind of doing the same with Athlon X4s vs the more expensive IGP enabled FM2 parts

I think they just hold for while trying to sell more expensive/higher margin (even if a Pentium) stuff first?

Celeron is always the LAST to release in a new socket, and the LAST to end a socket (G470 was the final-release in LGA1155, despite being Sandy Bridge). However, I must say the Skylake delay release is the longest and slowest in record now.

Actually, production on Skylake Celeron already began since Fall 2015. I believe Intel is secretly storing all the Skylake Celerons in their United States warehouse right now, don't want to sell them yet. This had happened before with Celeron G470's launch, delayed sale until Black Friday 2013.

 

[ShintaiDK]

All the Skylake Celerons will be LOCKED since Intel already updated the new codes prior to any CPU manufacturing.

No...

 

[ShintaiDK]

I believe Intel is secretly storing all the Skylake Celerons in their warehouse right now, don't want to sell them yet.

Yet you can buy them all over Europe, some secret that is

 

[waltchan]

Yet you can buy them all over Europe, some secret that is

The European G3900s are the unlock ones.

 

[LTC8K6]

In stock, but pricey...

http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_item...0&origin=pla&gclid=CJmD0tjfjssCFdgSgQodvVoDkw

http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_item...0&origin=pla&gclid=CKOurvLfjssCFUg8gQodYoUDLw

 

[skipsneeky2]

With Virtual Larry having his G4400 already,i couldn't come up with a rational explanation while he would be waiting for a chip that is pretty much a downgrade in every way.Pure curiosity on how good and bad it will be across a sea of programs and games?

I am curious how it performs to the G1820 and a overclocked G3258 though.DDR4 may have opened up legroom but unless you run a skew of light weight apps something tells me the user experience isn't far off from Haswell.The heavy weight apps and games will still tank and trail miles behind any i3 or i5.

 

[waltchan]

With Virtual Larry having his G4400 already,i couldn't come up with a rational explanation while he would be waiting for a chip that is pretty much a downgrade in every way.Pure curiosity on how good and bad it will be across a sea of programs and games?

That's what I'm unsure about his interest in G3900 as well. He's losing 500 MHz of single-thread speed, which may be a lot to lose I think.

 

[skipsneeky2]

That's what I'm unsure about his interest in G3900 as well. He's losing 500 MHz of single-thread speed, which may be a lot to lose I think.

Lightweight gaming i think it could matter,but for desktop usage with a ssd i think the G3900 would suffice.I know my wifes G1820 works just fine.It's clockspeed i think does impact gaming but i wouldn't think the difference would be dramatic enough had i went with a G3260.

 

[Yuriman]

Larry is almost certainly interested in using it in builds for his customers.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Larry is almost certainly interested in using it in builds for his customers.

I would like to try it out first myself, but yes, I'm also interested in customer builds. For most of my customers, I don't see much difference in effective performance between the G4400 and G3900, but it is an extra $20 of expense.

 

[hhhd1]

That's what I'm unsure about his interest in G3900 as well. He's losing 500 MHz of single-thread speed, which may be a lot to lose I think.

500 MHz is not allot when compared to 2800 Mhz,
he is losing 17% only of single thread performance in some tasks.

The gpu also loosing 50 MHz, (950 vs 1000 MHz), that is 5%

Most light tasks will run similarly.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If the G4400 has the HD530 rather than the HD510, I think I would choose it easily. But Intel wants a pretty big premium, from $64 to $90, for just the IGP upgrade and one multiplier higher of clockspeed (trivial).

I even wish that they would have a HD530 Celeron CPU, possibly in the same price range as the G4400. That might be too confusing for customers, though. Choosing either 500Mhz more clockspeed, OR a double-strength iGPU. In fact, if one intended to use it for casual gaming, the lower clock speed of the Celeron, might, in theory, bottleneck the HD530. (Would have to benchmark such a thing to be certain.)

 

[hojnikb]

If the G4400 has the HD530 rather than the HD510, I think I would choose it easily. But Intel wants a pretty big premium, from $64 to $90, for just the IGP upgrade and one multiplier higher of clockspeed (trivial).

I even wish that they would have a HD530 Celeron CPU, possibly in the same price range as the G4400. That might be too confusing for customers, though. Choosing either 500Mhz more clockspeed, OR a double-strength iGPU. In fact, if one intended to use it for casual gaming, the lower clock speed of the Celeron, might, in theory, bottleneck the HD530. (Would have to benchmark such a thing to be certain.)

There are always APUs, if you want "casual" iGPU gaming.
Although personally, it seems pretty pointless to pay more for stronger iGPU. Because then you need faster ram (and two sticks).

Might aswell juts grab the cheapest celeron and 250/250x and be done with it. Much better performance in games for just a little bit more.