G3900 Celeron... still waiting.

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Arachnotronic

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As an Intel shareholder, I really appreciate that you keep giving Intel your money for chips.

But as a fellow enthusiast, I just can't imagine why you'd want to buy one of these when you already have not one, but two faster G4400 chips! :p
 
TheELF

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Hey! Let him inform the masses,if the 3900 can reach the same overclock and has similar performance then people should know.
 
ShintaiDK

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VirtualLarry said:
Intel, milking the market for early adopters, by releasing on their highest ASP products first.


I thought that the cellys were supposed to be released around Jan 6th. Where are they?

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80662G3900-BOXED-CELERON-G3900/dp/B015LH91QU

"Estimated delivery Feb. 16th through Mar 2nd."

Arg. (Trying to get one to test, just for you escrow4.)
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Any reason why you feel you need to include that? Besides trying to derail your thread before it started.
 
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VirtualLarry

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ShintaiDK said:
Any reason why you feel you need to include that? Besides trying to derail your thread before it started.
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XavierMace said:
I don't know if I've ever heard that term applied to a low end product.
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What I mean by that is, I believe that Intel is intentionally delaying the release of their lower-ASP chips, such that early-adopters that want SKL, have to purchase a more expensive SKU.

There's no technical reason why Celeron should be delayed, via-a-vis Pentium's release. They are supposedly the same die, after all.

Unless, of course, Celerons are "harvested", and Intel wanted to wait to accumulate enough of the crap dies to sell as cellys. (Something the Intel promoters on this forum don't want to admit, that Intel harvests dies just like AMD does.)

Edit: Does anyone have any hard data on Intel's schedule for their Celeron release, versus Pentium versus i3/i5/i7, for Haswell, and 65nm and 45nm Core2 CPUs?

Because when I bought my E2140 CPUs, I didn't have to wait 4-6 months before they were available, that I recall. I think that they were available right away.
 
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ShintaiDK

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VirtualLarry said:
What I mean by that is, I believe that Intel is intentionally delaying the release of their lower-ASP chips, such that early-adopters that want SKL, have to purchase a more expensive SKU.

There's no technical reason why Celeron should be delayed, via-a-vis Pentium's release. They are supposedly the same die, after all.

Unless, of course, Celerons are "harvested", and Intel wanted to wait to accumulate enough of the crap dies to sell as cellys. (Something the Intel promoters on this forum don't want to admit, that Intel harvests dies just like AMD does.)

Edit: Does anyone have any hard data on Intel's schedule for their Celeron release, versus Pentium versus i3/i5/i7, for Haswell, and 65nm and 45nm Core2 CPUs?

Because when I bought my E2140 CPUs, I didn't have to wait 4-6 months before they were available, that I recall. I think that they were available right away.
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There isn't anything new in it. Its all about capacity. When you are capacity limited you start from the top and work down. In other words, when you get 14nm Celerons, then there is no capacity issue for Intel anymore at 14nm. Its always been so and it will always be so.

With that said, they are around the corner. Several shops list them and some OEMs like Lenovo already sells them.
 
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VirtualLarry

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ShintaiDK said:
In other words, when you get 14nm Celerons, then there is no capacity issue for Intel anymore at 14nm. Its always been so and it will always be so.
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But... isn't this really the first time that Intel has ever been capacity-constrained on a process? Because of their infamous 14nm yield problems? (I don't know if the issue is functional yield or parametric yield. But if it is parametric, then they should have plenty of dies that could bin out as Celerons, if they wanted.)
 
ShintaiDK

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VirtualLarry said:
But... isn't this really the first time that Intel has ever been capacity-constrained on a process? Because of their infamous 14nm yield problems? (I don't know if the issue is functional yield or parametric yield. But if it is parametric, then they should have plenty of dies that could bin out as Celerons, if they wanted.)
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Its most likely capacity due to 4x litho time and not yield.

It have happened before with 22nm. Mainly due to the Atom priority increase.
 
VirtualLarry

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So, when next month comes around... should I wait and get a G3900 Celeron, or should I save up and get an i5-6400 and OC that? Willing to take comments on that. (Or should I step up and get an i5-6500, if not much more, in case Intel takes away BLCK OC.)
 
Arachnotronic

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VirtualLarry said:
So, when next month comes around... should I wait and get a G3900 Celeron, or should I save up and get an i5-6400 and OC that? Willing to take comments on that. (Or should I step up and get an i5-6500, if not much more, in case Intel takes away BLCK OC.)
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It's only $20 more for the 6500 and you get much higher base/turbo clocks. I'd just go for the 6500 in this case although I can't really imagine that most people would be unhappy with the 6400.
 
Magic Carpet

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Larry, why don't you just sell all of your gear and buy a 6700K instead? Your upgrade itch will likely be satisfied for a while :)

BLCK overclocking with power saving / etc features disabled, AVX performance affected is not worth it imo.
 
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VirtualLarry said:
What I mean by that is, I believe that Intel is intentionally delaying the release of their lower-ASP chips, such that early-adopters that want SKL, have to purchase a more expensive SKU.
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It's capacity. The most sold product always came last on a new process. Has always been the case. Only thing it shows that there are still capacity problems for whatever reason.

TeknoBug said:
Not satisfied with the G4400s?
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They are too fast...
 
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VirtualLarry said:
Intel, milking the market for early adopters, by releasing on their highest ASP products first.


I thought that the cellys were supposed to be released around Jan 6th. Where are they?

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80662G3900-BOXED-CELERON-G3900/dp/B015LH91QU

"Estimated delivery Feb. 16th through Mar 2nd."

Arg. (Trying to get one to test, just for you escrow4.)
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Be still, my beating heart! :awe:

I wonder if there is a big difference against a G1850.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_Dual-Core/Intel-Celeron%20G3900.html

Although that not be 100% accurate.
 
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Celeron is always the last to come out whenever a new socket comes. Last time with Haswell, Celeron G1820 was released to pubic on January 2014. Intel plans to release Celeron G3900 Skylake somewhere around spring 2016. Hold on...I'm also waiting for one. For now, enjoy your G1850, best from Celeron. Micro Center will sell the G3900 and priced it at $39.99 estimated (fortunately I have one nearby). Don't buy Pentium G4400 for $60, you'll be ripped off with depreciation to $50 shortly.
 
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cbn

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VirtualLarry said:
So, when next month comes around... should I wait and get a G3900 Celeron, or should I save up and get an i5-6400 and OC that? Willing to take comments on that. (Or should I step up and get an i5-6500, if not much more, in case Intel takes away BLCK OC.)
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If the processor is for personal use, maybe buying i5-6400 or better is not such a bad idea? It would at least give you a chance to see if quad vs. dual core makes a difference in the typical tasks you like to do.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Well, I ended up buying an i3-6100 for my non-OC Asus H110 mobo, but I'm fairly unimpressed. The extra two threads do nothing really for my DC work.

Still waiting for the G3900's release. What happened to those estimated ship times on Amazon? Now it says, "not available", with no ETA listed.

Has Intel cancelled the SKL Celerons?
 
hojnikb

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They most certainly didn't.

They will come, when they can accumulate enough defective i3/pentium dies.
 
LTC8K6

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VirtualLarry said:
Well, I ended up buying an i3-6100 for my non-OC Asus H110 mobo, but I'm fairly unimpressed. The extra two threads do nothing really for my DC work.

Still waiting for the G3900's release. What happened to those estimated ship times on Amazon? Now it says, "not available", with no ETA listed.

Has Intel cancelled the SKL Celerons?
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G4400 is the logical choice if you can't find the G3900.
Not sure why you must have the slower and impossible to find chip?
 
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