FYI: 20-50 something males...get your flu shot

[Pray To Jesus]

I'm clueless.

Can we ban this guy for spreading misinformation that are harmful?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Can we ban this guy for spreading misinformation that are harmful?

Seriously. When he believes shit like:

Many vaccines also cause other diseases besides the one for which they are given. For instance, smallpox vaccine often causes syphilis, paralysis, leprosy, and cancer. (See the chapters on smallpox and plagues.) Polio shots, diphtheria toxin-antitoxin, typhoid vaccine, as well as measles, tetanus and all other shots often cause various other stages of disease such as post-vaccinal encephalitis (inflammation of the brain,) paralysis, spinal meningitis, blindness, cancer (sometimes within two years,) tuberculosis, (two to twenty years after the shot,) arthritis, kidney disease, heart disease (heart failure sometimes within minutes after the shot and sometimes several hours later.) Nerve damage and many other serious conditions also follow the injections.

He's either a troll, retard or retarded troll.

 

[Jeff7]

Right or wrong? Seriously?

She's a fucking nutcase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_McBean

"an outspoken American anti-vaccinist and author of several anti-vaccinist publications. McBean's layperson's perspective on health and medical topics can only be considered non-professional as her description of a vaccination as an "infusion of poison injected into the blood stream""

She blames the 1918 epidemic on vaccines? An influenza vaccine didn't even exist back then.

...
She's fitting proof that you cannot fix stupid. I haven't seen such a pile of rubbish in quite some time.

The "But germs are not the cause of disease in the first place and are useful wherever they are found in nature..." bit deserves special attention.

 

[Slew Foot]

The guy we admitted earlier this week died today, now two more cases are in the icu. all 30-40 year old males.

 

[TheVrolok]

The guy we admitted earlier this week died today, now two more cases are in the icu. all 30-40 year old males.

Didn't think about it until I saw this post because I was covering and not the primary, but I ended up intubating a 50 year old lady and sending her to the unit just two days ago. Flu case.

 

[SlickSnake]

Can we ban this guy for spreading misinformation that are harmful?

I think you need to be ejected for your inability to comprehend and read a post. I didn't even comment about the last post I made, trolly. I just put it up for discussion, Pray to Jesus. Do you think you are going to try to censor what others post about now to stop a discussion you disagree with? I think maybe it's time you move back over to Westboro Baptist Church forums where you probably came from.

 

[OverVolt]

At the end of the day millions of people get the vaccines with no issues.

The mercury preservative is a bit of a joke as well. Only the multi-dose vials contain the preservative. All the single dose flu shots are mercury free as are just about every vaccine. Its more of a rarity for a vaccine to come as a multi-dose vial.

 

[bradley]

I spent Thanksgiving with my sister's children and husband, all in the throes of the flu after getting vaccinated. I keep my hands clean/away from my face and am fine. Seems we all have flu anecdotes.

 

[SlickSnake]

Can we ban this guy for spreading misinformation that are harmful?

Seriously. When he believes shit like:

Many vaccines also cause other diseases besides the one for which they are given. For instance, smallpox vaccine often causes syphilis, paralysis, leprosy, and cancer. (See the chapters on smallpox and plagues.) Polio shots, diphtheria toxin-antitoxin, typhoid vaccine, as well as measles, tetanus and all other shots often cause various other stages of disease such as post-vaccinal encephalitis (inflammation of the brain,) paralysis, spinal meningitis, blindness, cancer (sometimes within two years,) tuberculosis, (two to twenty years after the shot,) arthritis, kidney disease, heart disease (heart failure sometimes within minutes after the shot and sometimes several hours later.) Nerve damage and many other serious conditions also follow the injections.

He's either a troll, retard or retarded troll.

All I did was put the 2 articles out there for discussion without really commenting on them. I guess you didn't see the sarcasm when I said

And in case flu vaccines causing the flu sounds a bit familiar to you and you were alive in 1918:

I read the same bizarre crap everyone else read if they clicked the link for the excerpt, including her Wiki page, before I posted that.

So don't be trying to twist her words around for my words. Unless you are so mentally fried that you just can't see the difference at this point.

By the way Cap, rude young kids who don't know any better are the only ones I know who still use the word RETARDED. And no adults I know of (in real life) use the word RETARD, either.

RETARD should be a banned word here for being patently offensive to a huge group of people who are disabled and may even be reading this forum looking for tech help.

 

[mizzou]

There's nothing wrong with getting a vaccine, there's nothing wrong with not getting a vaccine.

What's wrong is people telling you what you can or can't put in your body.

"For healthy, working adults, influenza vaccines can provide moderate protection[citation needed] against virologically confirmed influenza, but such protection is greatly reduced or absent in some seasons. Evidence for protection in adults aged 65 years or older is lacking. New vaccines with improved clinical efficacy and effectiveness are needed to further reduce influenza-related morbidity and mortality.[23]"

 

[SlickSnake]

And absolutely NOBODY commented on the first part of my previous post AT ALL. I guess that part of the post must have fell somewhere outside your comfort zones. Since a lot of you are too lazy to click a link, here it is, with relevant parts highlighted.

TORONTO – A strange vaccine-related phenomenon spotted at the start of the 2009 flu pandemic may well have been real, a new study suggests.

Canadian researchers noticed in the early weeks of the pandemic that people who got a flu shot for the 2008-2009 winter seemed to be more likely to get infected with the pandemic virus than people who hadn’t received a flu shot.

Five studies done in several provinces showed the same puzzling and unsettling results. But initially research outside of Canada did not, and the effect was dismissed as “the Canadian problem.”

News of the unexpected findings broke at a time when countries in North America and parts of Europe were getting ready to start vaccinating their populations against the pandemic virus.

Some jurisdictions were also trying to figure out whether to offer the seasonal flu vaccine they had purchased — similar to the 2008-2009 shot — along with the pandemic vaccine, in case the seasonal flu viruses continued to circulate. Quebec opted not to offer the seasonal vaccine because of the concerns raised by the studies.

Many people in the flu research and public health communities found the whole event unhelpful, and many rejected the findings. Some suggested if there was a problem, it might have been with the flu vaccine used in Canada, because the problem wasn’t seen elsewhere.

But a new study suggests the findings may indeed have been real.
A group of Canadian researchers recreated the event in ferrets, the best animal model for predicting how influenza will act in humans. They worked with animals because it would have been unethical to subject people to the health risks the work entailed.

The findings of the ferret study were presented Sunday at ICAAC, a major international infectious diseases conference taking place this year in San Francisco. (ICAAC stands for the Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy.)

Lead author Dr. Danuta Skowronski outlined the work at a webcast press conference. Skowronski, an influenza expert at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control in Vancouver, also led the first study that spotted the apparent interaction between 2008 flu shots and pandemic flu infection.

She and her colleagues worked with 32 ferrets, giving half the 2008 seasonal flu shot and the remainder a placebo injection. The work was blinded, meaning the researchers didn’t know which ferrets received which shot. Later, all the ferrets were infected with the pandemic H1N1 virus.

The ferrets in the vaccine group became significantly sicker than the other animals, though all recovered.
“The findings that we show are consistent with the increased risk that we saw in the human studies,” Skowronski said.
She said that in the time since the pandemic, researchers in other countries have reported a similar interaction.

The reason for the effect is unclear, and Skowronski urged other research groups to take up the question. She said it is important to get to the root of what happened, before the next pandemic.

But in the meantime, Skowronski insisted the findings should not deter people from getting seasonal flu shots.
“I do think it’s important to clarify that our findings are unique to the pandemic,” she insisted.

“Pandemics are infrequent occurrences, but seasonal influenza recurs on an annual basis. It’s a substantial cause of morbidity and mortality,” — science’s term for illness and death — “and the seasonal vaccine substantially protects against that severe outcome due to seasonal influenza.”

Two theories exist about what might have been behind the effect, said Skowronski, who favours the first.
That theory relates to the fact that the 2008 vaccine protected against an H1N1 virus that was related to — but not similar enough to — the pandemic virus to generate antibodies that would neutralize it. The thinking is that might actually have facilitated infection with the pandemic virus.

Skowronski likened the mechanism to what happens with dengue viruses. People who have been infected with one subtype of dengue don’t develop immunity to the other three. In fact, they are more at risk of developing a life-threatening form of dengue if they are infected with one of the other strains.

Skowronski called the second theory the infection block hypothesis. Having a bout of the flu gives the infected person antibodies that may be able, for a time, to fend off other strains; flu shots only protect against the strains they contain. So under this theory, people who didn’t have flu in 2008 because they got a flu shot may have been less well armed against the pandemic virus.

If the first theory is right, the strange effect seen in 2009 might only occur in a pandemic in which the new virus was related to a circulating human flu virus, Skowronski admitted.

If that’s correct — and she stressed it’s only a theory — a virus with a hemagglutinin protein that humans haven’t been exposed to before might not trigger this type of phenomenon. (The hemagglutinin is the protein on the exterior of a flu virus that gives it the H number in its name.)

“My own opinion, my own feeling would be that if you have a completely different hemagglutinin like H5 or H7 … you may not see that,” Skowronski said.

“But who knows, frankly? The wise man knows he knows nothing when it comes to influenza, so you always have to be cautious in speculating.”

Read the story HERE:

http://metronews.ca/health/363279/canadian-problem-maybe-not-study-finds/

I think the deafening silence here about that article is pretty telling. We are not the experts, and only speculating, but they are experts and researching this, and they clearly know something is going on with flu vaccines and the severity of the flu some people are getting who have had them.

Of course, some of you will go but, but FERRETS. But if you do these suspect flu vaccine trials on humans, you may get a lot of very sick and dead humans, as she pointed out.

 

[surfsatwerk]

I blame radioactive flu viruses from Fukushima.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Flu shot did poor job against worst bug in seniors from Feb 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/flu-shot-did-poor-job-against-worst-bug-170416843.html

I won't administer the shot the news is talking about to seniors. There is a high dose vaccine which ought to be used instead to get a more robust immune response. Unfortunately the quantity was comparatively limited and I believe there will considerably more of that for the next year.

If anyone is or has a family member who is a senior ask for the high dose vaccine. DO NOT accept what is given to younger people, but find who has the proper shot in your area. If there are none then the lesser strength is better than nothing, but not very good this season.

 

[SlickSnake]

I blame radioactive flu viruses from Fukushima.

Undoubtedly a weakened immune system from some sort of radioactive contamination that is inhaled, ingested or absorbed would certainly make any creature more susceptible to any possible disease pathogens.

 

[bradley]

Perhaps McAmericans with thymuses the size of peas and severe Th1/Th2 imbalances need their McVaccines. Though, at the very least, administer flu vaccinations with the strong suggestion to supplement with immune boosting supplements and foods?

Anyhow the majority of doctors who are overzealously prescribing antibiotics (without ever suggesting probiotics) adversely affect many more patients. Simply stated, antibiotics don't discrimate in exterminating both good and bad bacteria. Antibiotic = anti-life probiotic = pro-life.

Not only does antibiotic overuse mutate virulent strains into stronger organisms, but it also kills the good gut flora required to manufacture vital b vitamins, vitamin k2, bile, and regulate a healthful immune response.

No wonder so many Mcpatients eventually become osteoporotic and calcified with heart conditions, aneurisms, kidney and gallbladder stones etc.

Apparently they don't teach common sense or basic nutrition in ivory towers, and the minions were taught to follow anything stated definitively with conviction.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And absolutely NOBODY commented on the first part of my previous post AT ALL. I guess that part of the post must have fell somewhere outside your comfort zones. Since a lot of you are too lazy to click a link, here it is, with relevant parts highlighted.

Read the story HERE:

http://metronews.ca/health/363279/canadian-problem-maybe-not-study-finds/

I think the deafening silence here about that article is pretty telling. We are not the experts, and only speculating, but they are experts and researching this, and they clearly know something is going on with flu vaccines and the severity of the flu some people are getting who have had them.

Of course, some of you will go but, but FERRETS. But if you do these suspect flu vaccine trials on humans, you may get a lot of very sick and dead humans, as she pointed out.

Some of us are experts. The particular one you cited never ever said that we shouldn't be administering vaccines because the risk vs benefits have been outlined ad infinitum and links to efficacy studies have already been provided.

Do you understand what she's talking about?

 

[SlickSnake]

I won't administer the shot the news is talking about to seniors. There is a high dose vaccine which ought to be used instead to get a more robust immune response. Unfortunately the quantity was comparatively limited and I believe there will considerably more of that for the next year.

If anyone is or has a family member who is a senior ask for the high dose vaccine. DO NOT accept what is given to younger people, but find who has the proper shot in your area. If there are none then the lesser strength is better than nothing, but not very good this season.

Those are the kinds of questions I will ask a doctor or nurse and usually get blank stares until they go and look the information up someplace. I have had them change the vaccines they were going to give me on several occasions after they verified it before. It's a shame they aren't more informed about the various vaccines, including side effects, when it comes to administering them.

I usually look the information up for the relevant vaccine I think I need and print it out before I ever get to the office, and then I make them look it up themselves and confirm it if they happen to disagree about it.

And keep in mind, most nurses have even less knowledge about the vaccines than the doctors do, and yet nurses or even less skilled nurses aids usually administer the vast majority of the shots.

 

[John Connor]

My wife works a cardiac intensive care unit and they've just put their 6th patient this week on ECMO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extracorporeal_membrane_oxygenation

All men in those age ranges, all testing positive for influenza, none of them had a flu shot.

Just saying....:\

Had a flu shot once, gave me a spiting headache. That was over ten years ago and haven't had one since. And guess what? Never got the flu in all those years either!

The flu shot is a joke. It doesn't even cover the new strains. My mom who works at a nursing home is required to get one. Because of the policy change some people have quit because the flu shot put them in the freaking hospital.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

RETARD should be a banned word here for being patently offensive to a huge group of people who are disabled and may even be reading this forum looking for tech help.

I like your passion in defending your group. You are an excellent lifelong member of Densa.

 

[Gibsons]

Those are the kinds of questions I will ask a doctor or nurse and usually get blank stares until they go and look the information up someplace. I have had them change the vaccines they were going to give me on several occasions after they verified it before. It's a shame they aren't more informed about the various vaccines, including side effects, when it comes to administering them.

I usually look the information up for the relevant vaccine I think I need and print it out before I ever get to the office, and then I make them look it up themselves and confirm it if they happen to disagree about it.

And keep in mind, most nurses have even less knowledge about the vaccines than the doctors do, and yet nurses or even less skilled nurses aids usually administer the vast majority of the shots.

The cheese done slid off yo cracker.

 

[Gibsons]

Had a flu shot once, gave me a spiting headache. That was over ten years ago and haven't had one since. And guess what? Never got the flu in all those years either!

The flu shot is a joke. It doesn't even cover the new strains.

It does, that's the whole point. Get one of your psychic relatives to explain it to you.

 

[John Connor]

No, it doesn't pin head.

Why do I need a flu vaccine every year?

A flu vaccine is needed every year because flu viruses are constantly changing. It’s not unusual for new flu viruses to appear each year. The flu vaccine is updated annually to keep up with the flu viruses as they change.

Does flu vaccine work right away?

No. It takes about two weeks after vaccination for antibodies to develop in the body and provide protection against influenza virus infection. That’s why it’s better to get vaccinated early in the fall, before the flu season really gets under way.
Can I get seasonal flu even though I got a flu vaccine this year?

Yes. There is still a possibility you could get the flu even if you got vaccinated. The ability of flu vaccine to protect a person depends on various factors, including the age and health status of the person being vaccinated, and also the similarity or “match” between the viruses used to make the vaccine and those circulating in the community. If the viruses in the vaccine and the influenza viruses circulating in the community are closely matched, vaccine effectiveness is higher. If they are not closely matched, vaccine effectiveness can be reduced. However, it’s important to remember that even when the viruses are not closely matched, the vaccine can still protect many people and prevent flu-related complications. Such protection is possible because antibodies made in response to the vaccine can provide some protection (called cross-protection) against different but related influenza viruses. For more information about vaccine effectiveness, visit How Well Does the Seasonal Flu Vaccine Work?

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

 

[Gibsons]

No, it doesn't pin head.

It does, person who believes in psychics.

The current strain, the new strain, is A/H1N1/California/7/2009-like, it's covered by the current vaccine.

If you're saying it won't cover some new strain in the future, well, fucking duh. It's been mentioned a million times already, but you post again with a exclamation marks. As if you're saying something new. FFS.

Tarot cards work my aunt and sister read them. Trust me they work... My aunt told me about things in my life that was true and she said my parents would be buying a house and it happened. Most people can't do it right it takes meditation, etc to know how to do it right and she only did it for close friends and relatives.

Psychics are kinda hit and miss some don't know anything and some are damn good I dealt with two who were damn good! If you don't believe me then look at the "evidence" where psychics helped law enforcement to solve crimes. Ever watch John Edward or the Long Island Medium?

Let me just tell you that I knew one that was able to access my password protected laptop just by me thinking of the password.

 

[OverVolt]

Some of us are experts. The particular one you cited never ever said that we shouldn't be administering vaccines because the risk vs benefits have been outlined ad infinitum and links to efficacy studies have already been provided.

Do you understand what she's talking about?

Ferrets are used to study influenza because they have the same Sialic acids as humans. The HA protein (The H in H1N1, H2N5, whatever) binds to it.

 

[John Connor]

It does, person who believes in psychics.

The current strain, the new strain, is A/H1N1/California/7/2009-like, it's covered by the current vaccine.

If you're saying it won't cover some new strain in the future, well, fucking duh. It's been mentioned a million times already, but you post again with a exclamation marks. As if you're saying something new. FFS.

Why did you post something I said in another sub forum? You're a fucking idiot! It's off topic, has nothing to do with a flu shot and you're trolling.