FX-55 is blazing

[DAPUNISHER]

All these years on-line and you guys haven't figured out yet that when you feed a troll it grows?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
All these years on-line and you guys haven't figured out yet that when you feed a troll it grows?

Last one I remember was Intim83, and we got rid of him. At least a troll in Felix's class. Intim83 was not smart, but Felix is just stubborn and doesn't have a clue.

 

[mamisano]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Too bad FX chips will never become cheap, but rather go off the shelves.

Not really. The 4000+ IS an FX-53. They move the FX to mainstream when they come out with a new one. 4000+ = FX-53.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
intel is diching netburst in my opinion. they originally had netburst cpus in their dual core roadmaps, but due to the fact that they can't get many 3.6 chips at all, how do you expect them to get something dual core that outperforms it? it would probly need to be at least 2x 2.4 to get the same performance of a 3.6 in average multithreaded apps( i know this varies, but who will pay twice as much if most apps, like games, don't benefit) even 2 presscots at 2.4 produce more heat than a 3.6.

intel will surely move it's performance desktop chips over to dual core dothans with higher bus. these, which can run at the full speed of the dothan line without heat problems, will definately outperform any dual presscotts slow enough that they can put in the same core

That is no easy task. The Dothan are great performers but they would need 64bit extensions added as well as SSE3 (Hyperthreading INtel said would be pointless but IBM uses a variant on a short pipeline cpu but probably it would be useless) and the Dothan processors have an achilles heel but I can't remember what: it is the floating point or something that is abysmal compared to the AMD's so the Dothan could not automatically be used as a Netburst desktop replacement.

 

[Zebo]

4000 is NOT mainstream brudda at $750

Mainstream is a $250 3400 reviewed there which by all rights should have been labled 3600.

 

[clarkey01]

DAPUNISHER, in my short time here Iv noticed you have given some great posts and I respect you , zebo, and a few others, but you have to undrestand that ppl like felix are putting me off and its ARRRRRR.

But i'll take your advice, off felix and back onto subject.

Everyone turn a blind eye to felix.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: mamisano

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Too bad FX chips will never become cheap, but rather go off the shelves.

Not really. The 4000+ IS an FX-53. They move the FX to mainstream when they come out with a new one. 4000+ = FX-53.

Except the FX-53 is unlocked, and the 4000+ is locked.

 

[clarkey01]

is the FX 51 still coming back as a 3600+ ?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
is the FX 51 still coming back as a 3600+ ?

What for? a 3400 newcastle for 1/3rd price beats it

http://hardware.fr/articles/496/page1.html

 

[clarkey01]

lol I know but it was on xbitlabs and anandtech/overclockers that it was coming back, and I remember something about a 2600? that never came out either.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Yanagi
Anyone else want Felix banned? Man you'er nothing but trolling in all the AMD threads. People have their opinions and you cannot force opinion on other people. Its a free world. You're like the forum saddam trying to force people to live in your little world :roll:

Yes I would vote to send him away,but then the village idiot would not be here to entertain us anymore....

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
DAPUNISHER, in my short time here Iv noticed you have given some great posts and I respect you , zebo, and a few others, but you have to undrestand that ppl like felix are putting me off and its ARRRRRR.

But i'll take your advice, off felix and back onto subject.

Everyone turn a blind eye to felix.

Best thing you can do. He has been around a long time and was never like this. It is evident to me he has began this to parody the AMD fanatics around here and just likes pulling your chains. I don't even take him seriously because of his history here being longer than my own and his only starting this since the huge upwelling of anti-intel posts started flooding this place. He knows better, you know better, everyone knows better, it's just a protest by him of sorts IMO based on the aforementioned posting style. Honestly, do you think he would have lasted this long if he trolled since 2k?

My advice is the next time he rings the bell, just don't salivate. He will keep ringing it for awhile but when not a spot of drool shows up he'll get tired and consider his point made most likely.

Anywho, FX rocks but the price is horrid. Damned good thing there's $200 and under A64s that overclock very well :beer: My old 3000+ CH C0 has been doing 2.4ghz solid for 9months+ now so no complaints here, and seeing the newer ones now doing 2.6ghz+ on air is damned enccouraging too.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
All these years on-line and you guys haven't figured out yet that when you feed a troll it grows?

EXCELLENT QUOTE... going in my sig!!!

What A64 is going to stay. Will they stay with 1mb Cache (ie IIRC CLawHammer) or will they stay with Newcastle and ramp the clock speeds up?

-Kevin

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
All these years on-line and you guys haven't figured out yet that when you feed a troll it grows?

bwuahahah. :thumbsup: i'm just livin a little.

 

[Nyati13]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

What A64 is going to stay. Will they stay with 1mb Cache (ie IIRC CLawHammer) or will they stay with Newcastle and ramp the clock speeds up?

-Kevin

Neither/Both. There is no reason for AMD to box themselves into one solution when they can use cache and clockspeed together to get good binning for sales. The 1 meg parts are going to be made anyway, as Opterons, and Athlon FXs. Any overproduction (or failed Opterons) can be packaged as A64s and that lets AMD recoup the cost of production+ . This helps keep them profitable, and that keeps them making CPUs for us to buy.

 

[Dustswirl]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: mamisano

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Too bad FX chips will never become cheap, but rather go off the shelves.

Not really. The 4000+ IS an FX-53. They move the FX to mainstream when they come out with a new one. 4000+ = FX-53.

Except the FX-53 is unlocked, and the 4000+ is locked.

Could there be a way to compare FX-53 and 4000+ (am talking about die and packaging and L1...L12 bridges and stuff) and find out what bridge(s) is(are) cut and what is not?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Dustswirl

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: mamisano

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Too bad FX chips will never become cheap, but rather go off the shelves.

Not really. The 4000+ IS an FX-53. They move the FX to mainstream when they come out with a new one. 4000+ = FX-53.

Except the FX-53 is unlocked, and the 4000+ is locked.

Could there be a way to compare FX-53 and 4000+ (am talking about die and packaging and L1...L12 bridges and stuff) and find out what bridge(s) is(are) cut and what is not?

OK, first find somebody with a $600-$700 FX-53 that is willing to remove the heat speader, then spend only a couple hundred less for a processor, and risk damaging it also by removing the heat speader ? I don't think so.....Good luck to you !

 

[Dustswirl]

I'll wait a lil till someone at xtremesystems fries his FX...

 

[bigal40]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
It is called overclocking the 3500+ 90nm on the 939 dual channel to 2600 and calling it a day.

I also notice that the FX-55 is consistently hitting 2800 or more on air cooling with the supplied heatsink. Does AMD have even another speedbin on 130nm if they so chose with their new strained silicon? I thought I saw that the FX-57 will be a 90nm part but I still find it interesting that people are getting 2800 on air. Water and phase change people must be drooling if they have the dough

what would a 3500+ at 2600 perform like? Maybe a like a 4000?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: bigal40

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
It is called overclocking the 3500+ 90nm on the 939 dual channel to 2600 and calling it a day.

I also notice that the FX-55 is consistently hitting 2800 or more on air cooling with the supplied heatsink. Does AMD have even another speedbin on 130nm if they so chose with their new strained silicon? I thought I saw that the FX-57 will be a 90nm part but I still find it interesting that people are getting 2800 on air. Water and phase change people must be drooling if they have the dough

what would a 3500+ at 2600 perform like? Maybe a like a 4000?

Actually the 3500+ at 2600 speeds would be a little faster than the 4000+ at stock speeds because the AMD64 ramps much better with clockspeed versus cache plus overclockers would have the HTT (FSB) running faster than the stock 4000+ 200HTT. Of course you can overclock the 4000+ but the processor is $450.00 more so the best price/performance is the 3000+/3200+/3500+ 90nm 939 chips

Example: the 4000+ is 2400 with l024K L2 cache
The 3500 is 2200 with 512K L2 cache
To equal the performance (roughly and with some give or take either way the reality is the 3500+ would probably overtake the 4000+ at 2525 or 2550 speeds. On average of course

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Too bad FX chips will never become cheap, but rather go off the shelves.

Who would waste there money on of those things?:shocked:

Basically anyone who isn't an idiot to spend $250+ more on an extreme edition that performs below the FX.

wait...i know and idiot like that...

i...i think his name includes a...a kat?....and maybe a, um, felix?

Felix, if you could ever try, just try, to back up your statements, then maybe, just maybe, a n00bie would take your advice.

Yeah? And what do you have? Thats right! So stfu. :laugh:


FX chips are made out of wood. Dont make me pull that thread up again!

I have a thing called a life, with a touch of some friends, and maybe a dash of girls.

but so what? you claim to have an extreme edition, which costs an arm and a leg and a crotch. you say you love it, you stand up for it, and you make fun of it's opponent. now whats next? intercourse? I'll be sure to send you an "IT'S A BOY!" card when your 9 months is up.

:roll:

I think the point Im trying to make is, you need to move on with your life and let my opinions stand without having to troll me everytime - like its your duty or something. Sound like a deal?

And I think everyone here has heard enough of your FUD. go away please.....

Oh look, its the jealous troll! What a surpise! :roll:

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: bigal40

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
It is called overclocking the 3500+ 90nm on the 939 dual channel to 2600 and calling it a day.

I also notice that the FX-55 is consistently hitting 2800 or more on air cooling with the supplied heatsink. Does AMD have even another speedbin on 130nm if they so chose with their new strained silicon? I thought I saw that the FX-57 will be a 90nm part but I still find it interesting that people are getting 2800 on air. Water and phase change people must be drooling if they have the dough

what would a 3500+ at 2600 perform like? Maybe a like a 4000?

Actually the 3500+ at 2600 speeds would be a little faster than the 4000+ at stock speeds because the AMD64 ramps much better with clockspeed versus cache plus overclockers would have the HTT (FSB) running faster than the stock 4000+ 200HTT. Of course you can overclock the 4000+ but the processor is $450.00 more so the best price/performance is the 3000+/3200+/3500+ 90nm 939 chips

Example: the 4000+ is 2400 with l024K L2 cache
The 3500 is 2200 with 512K L2 cache
To equal the performance (roughly and with some give or take either way the reality is the 3500+ would probably overtake the 4000+ at 2525 or 2550 speeds. On average of course

I agree, but the new 90nm 3000+ is much cheaper, and gets to 2.6 on cood air cooling also (the thermaltake Silent Boost K8 like I have I think it was). That should be like a P4EE at 4.2 ghz, right ? So for $200 you can do better than a $1000 cpu even OC'ed ! I will take the 3000+ 939 90nm(If I was in the market).

 

[SickBeast]

Felix and Mark, could you please PM each other instead of repeatedly subjecting us all to this nonsense? :thumbsdown:

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: bigal40

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
It is called overclocking the 3500+ 90nm on the 939 dual channel to 2600 and calling it a day.

I also notice that the FX-55 is consistently hitting 2800 or more on air cooling with the supplied heatsink. Does AMD have even another speedbin on 130nm if they so chose with their new strained silicon? I thought I saw that the FX-57 will be a 90nm part but I still find it interesting that people are getting 2800 on air. Water and phase change people must be drooling if they have the dough

what would a 3500+ at 2600 perform like? Maybe a like a 4000?

Actually the 3500+ at 2600 speeds would be a little faster than the 4000+ at stock speeds because the AMD64 ramps much better with clockspeed versus cache plus overclockers would have the HTT (FSB) running faster than the stock 4000+ 200HTT. Of course you can overclock the 4000+ but the processor is $450.00 more so the best price/performance is the 3000+/3200+/3500+ 90nm 939 chips

Example: the 4000+ is 2400 with l024K L2 cache
The 3500 is 2200 with 512K L2 cache
To equal the performance (roughly and with some give or take either way the reality is the 3500+ would probably overtake the 4000+ at 2525 or 2550 speeds. On average of course

I agree, but the new 90nm 3000+ is much cheaper, and gets to 2.6 on cood air cooling also (the thermaltake Silent Boost K8 like I have I think it was). That should be like a P4EE at 4.2 ghz, right ? So for $200 you can do better than a $1000 cpu even OC'ed ! I will take the 3000+ 939 90nm(If I was in the market).

Yep, but the 3500 got there on less voltage and they didn't overclock it higher (which they could of) so I would say that the 3000 or 3200 or 3500 to me is the best way to go depending on budget. I am going with the 3500 939 for my Koolance for my first water overclock experience soon.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Adn4n
Too bad FX chips will never become cheap, but rather go off the shelves.

Who would waste there money on of those things?:shocked:

Basically anyone who isn't an idiot to spend $250+ more on an extreme edition that performs below the FX.

wait...i know and idiot like that...

i...i think his name includes a...a kat?....and maybe a, um, felix?

Felix, if you could ever try, just try, to back up your statements, then maybe, just maybe, a n00bie would take your advice.

Yeah? And what do you have? Thats right! So stfu. :laugh:


FX chips are made out of wood. Dont make me pull that thread up again!

I have a thing called a life, with a touch of some friends, and maybe a dash of girls.

but so what? you claim to have an extreme edition, which costs an arm and a leg and a crotch. you say you love it, you stand up for it, and you make fun of it's opponent. now whats next? intercourse? I'll be sure to send you an "IT'S A BOY!" card when your 9 months is up.

:roll:

I think the point Im trying to make is, you need to move on with your life and let my opinions stand without having to troll me everytime - like its your duty or something. Sound like a deal?

And I think everyone here has heard enough of your FUD. go away please.....

Oh look, its the jealous troll! What a surpise! :roll:

You are a PIP my fine friend