Future problem in the country

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: yllus
It's a popular sentiment amongst those growing older to consider the present world to be worse than it was in his/her youth. Truth is, people today are smarter, healthier (not to be confused with in shape) and better educated than ever before in human history.

This also ignores the fact that intelligence is an evolutionary survival trait, which is probably about ~50% heritable - accounting for a large amount of how intelligence is determined, but not the entirety. I have little fear for the future on the human race.

Is intelligence inherited or built on experience?

Evidence from family, twin, and adoption studies shows a heritable component in differences in human ability. These studies are also the best evidence that environment plays a large part. Earl Hunt, an eminent researcher on intelligence, says that the heritability of differences in human intelligence lies somewhere between 40% and 80% and that it does not matter a great deal exactly where within this range.

However, there are counterintuitive details in this crude estimate. The heritability of psychometric intelligence rises as we get older and experience the world more. The big slice of variance that the environment provides is largely unconnected with our family upbringing and mostly to do with the environment we experience that is distinct from our parents? efforts and that shared with our siblings. People often assume that genetics must be connected with stability in intelligence and the environment with change. This is not necessarily so. Genes may affect changes in intelligence too.

I'll agree with this.

It also means that those living in the poorest conditions probably have the worst of both worlds- they more likely inherited genes for lesser ability and in addition their environment will be less than optimal.

Not true at all, since there is no linear correlation between intelligence and wealth/status.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: videogames101
1. Intelligence is passed on by genes.
2. People with lower intelligence have a greater chance of being poor.
3. The more offspring any organism produces increases the number of organism in the population that have their genes.
4 The birthrate of the poor is higher then the birthrate of the rich.

These are true statements, no one here can argue with them.

By looking at those 4 statements, we can conclude that, because poor people are more likely to have low intelligence, and they reproduce more, then they're lower intelligence is transferred unto greater portion of the population.

Those are the facts, simple logic and reasoning. If you disagree with any of that, then I'm not going to waste my time debating anything with you.


Now, as more people with lower intelligence are created, is there anything to be done about it? The answer is no. Unless we want to become communists, this is the way the world works. It happens in every country in the world, and we're no exception. To be so arrogant as to think the human population isn't affected by genetics makes be doubt your belief in evolution at all. (and if you don't believe in evolution, GTFO)

2. Absolutely not true, disproved in numerous studies.

Therefore your entire argument falls flat.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: IGBT
..historically correct for a post depression manufacturing society. But manuf. in the US is rapidly becoming extinct. Present educational system has failed to turn out educated technically skilled employable workers. Employers are forced to import technically skilled workers or off shore their work. The US will be a service economy very soon. The only skill required will be to match the picture on the menu with the appropriate key on the cash register. The tax payer shouldn't be required to finance failed public school education.

Where is it you live that you think our public school system is that bad?

Around here, those people pushing register buttons are south american immigrants or high schools kids. College kids are busy doing internships in offices, schools, or labs.

The problem is...IGBT is right...
Therein Lies the problem... we are turning out too many college kids... in order to economically survive, we NEED some lesser or unschooled cheap labor to work in our factories... thats why our manufacturing industries keep going overseas... american labor is too expensive right now... the entire workforce cant be upper class...

Soon we will be a service / information only economy which will collapse under its own weight.

Then would you volunteer your kids to forgoe a college education and work at a clothing factory? Do you actually advocate that the US should try lower its standard of living? Forcing a large portion of the population into manufacturing isn't going to make us a more prosperous nation. How exactly are you going to forbid certain people from getting a higher education when they want to improve themselves? Sure, it's easy to say there are too many college educated kids competing for your job after you yourself have received a white collared job due to your education.

I hope you're not someone who is complaining about the current weakness of the dollar. The USD to RMB exchange rate is now at 1:6.94 down from around 1:8. Let's hope it hits 1:1 so we can take all those enviable manufacturing jobs back from China. I would love to work 12 hours a day on minimum wage.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Modelworks


1. Intelligence is not passed on by genes. The ability to be intelligent is.

Actually this is incorrect. Intelligence is passed on by genes. Your IQ doesn't change, you're born with it. Education and intelligence are two different things.

Not entirely true. Innate IQ (talking (g), not other measures) is a range established by genetics, but where one falls within that range is largely a matter of environmental factors.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: zinfamous
there is no "poor gene," dumbass.

poverty is a condition of society and habit.

Hello, dumbass. You are so woefully mislead.

While there is no "poor gene", there are genes which help determine one's IQ. That, in turn, influences the person's ability to learn and make money.

Secondly, you mention habit. Who do you think is going to instill habits in their children? The parent. A poor parent will be more likely to instill "poor" habits in their children than a rich parent.


But thanks for making yourself look like a fool on a public forum.

You're wrong; genes and IQ are poorly correlated, if at all.

George W Bush is well below average in IQ, yet he's filthy rich. If that example doesn't sit well with you, how about Paris Hilton?

Intelligence and wealth have little correlation. Wealthy people can breed moronic offspring.

No, actually IQ is so solidly correlated to genetics as to be considered fact by most scientists.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

It has been proven that people with higher intelligence are more likely to be wealthy than people with lower intelligence. It's not always linear, but someone with a higher than average IQ is probably more likely to be wealthy than someone with a lower IQ.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You are wrong. It has been proven that people with higher intelligence are more likely to be wealthy than people with lower intelligence.

Proof please.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You are wrong. It has been proven that people with higher intelligence are more likely to be wealthy than people with lower intelligence.

Proof please.

It's been scientifically proven by science! Didn't you know that? Sheesh...

Seriously though, a lot of rich people that I have gotten to know personally are just your average Joe. They are not more intelligent and some are stupid as hell. They just happened to be able to access enough money, were willing to risk starting a business, and were lucky enough to hire the right people which are intelligent and carry all the weight for them even though they hardly see any of the cash. Welcome to America.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You are wrong. It has been proven that people with higher intelligence are more likely to be wealthy than people with lower intelligence.

Proof please.

It's been scientifically proven by science! Didn't you know that? Sheesh...

Sorry, my low IQ couldn't comprehend that.

 

[91TTZ]

The limp wristed liberals are coming out of the woodwork I see.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Bullshit. You're the one who is looking foolish with your ignorance of IQ and earning ability.

Now, the poor habit thing I will agree with 100%, and is undoubtedly true quite often (though not an absolute by any means).

Most importantly, however, you're still failing to differentiate between wealth/career and being a good person. It's more important to breed good people than to breed intelligent people, or any other type. Since there is absolutely no positive correlation between wealth and morality, your entire argument falls flat.

Are you disagreeing that the poor are more likely to inherit genes for low IQ than the rich? Are you honestly saying that?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
The limp wristed liberals are coming out of the woodwork I see.

lol the only thing which is just as terrible as a bleeding heart liberal is the conservative sitting at the opposite end of the spectrum.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
The limp wristed liberals are coming out of the woodwork I see.

lol the only thing which is just as terrible as a bleeding heart liberal is the conservative sitting at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Yes, the die hard conservatives are also a problem.

I'm not conservative, so I get flak from both extremes. I'm not religious and can't stand George Bush.

 

[91TTZ]

Most of these fiery arguments against me are driven by pure emotion and not logic. I think that's a problem since you're not letting your brain do the thinking.

 

[sandorski]

The OP is fail, lacks Intelligence, is clearly Inferior, and must be Poor. He'll likely deny all these points, but only because the Inferior Poor like to Lie about these things.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Most of these fiery arguments against me are driven by pure emotion and not logic. I think that's a problem since you're not letting your brain do the thinking.

pot meet kettle...

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Most of these fiery arguments against me are driven by pure emotion and not logic. I think that's a problem since you're not letting your brain do the thinking.

pot meet kettle...

Especially, since his only supporter proved both of themselves wrong.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

No, just a better person than you.

You're getting too emotional. You're beginning to make ad hominem attacks.

I stated a viewpoint and now you're attacking my value as a person.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

No, just a better person than you.

You're getting too emotional. You're beginning to make ad hominem attacks.

I stated a viewpoint and now you're attacking my value as a person.

Aren't you attacking the value of poor people?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

No, just a better person than you.

You're getting too emotional. You're beginning to make ad hominem attacks.

I stated a viewpoint and now you're attacking my value as a person.

Aren't you attacking the value of poor people?

sorry but logic or emotions are not allowed in this.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The OP is fail, lacks Intelligence, is clearly Inferior, and must be Poor. He'll likely deny all these points, but only because the Inferior Poor like to Lie about these things.

Another emotional ad hominem attack. Please attack the argument, not the person.

 

[Xavier434]

While I do not have any proof to provide on this matter, I do recall taking a Geography course in college which discussed how many cultural anthropologists have performed studies which concluded that poor people all over the world have a tendency to breed more including in the US and Europe. Part of their studies also showed how this has been the case for centuries. I recall being provided many different justifications as to why this is the case, but I don't remember what they all are off hand since this was many years ago. It's all theory of course, but if true then I do not believe that it is a problem to worry about since it has been the case for all countries for centuries.

In addition, part of that lecture also included reasons why these people do not live as long. There were many reasons and I do remember environmental hazards and health related issues being among them. Again, I got nothing solid to provide here other than this is what was presented to me by some college professor but it is food for thought.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

No, just a better person than you.

You're getting too emotional. You're beginning to make ad hominem attacks.

I stated a viewpoint and now you're attacking my value as a person.

Aren't you attacking the value of poor people?

I haven't singled out any individual and said that they're worthless.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
While I do not have any proof to provide on this matter, I do recall taking a Geography course in college which discussed how many cultural anthropologists have performed studies which concluded that poor people all over the world have a tendency to breed more including in the US and Europe. Part of their studies also showed how this has been the case for centuries. I recall being provided many different justifications as to why this is the case, but I don't remember what they all are off hand since this was many years ago. It's all theory of course, but if true then I do not believe that it is a problem to worry about since it has been the case for all countries for centuries.

In addition, part of that lecture also included reasons why these people do not live as long. There were many reasons and I do remember environmental hazards and health related issues being among them. Again, I got nothing solid to provide here other than this is what was presented to me by some college professor but it is food for thought.

Thanks for the info.

While you may not agree with my viewpoints at least you contributed some useful information to this thread.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sandorski
The OP is fail, lacks Intelligence, is clearly Inferior, and must be Poor. He'll likely deny all these points, but only because the Inferior Poor like to Lie about these things.

Another emotional ad hominem attack. Please attack the argument, not the person.

He's paranoid too. Classic Inferior Poor response.