Future problem in the country

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: tyler811
Like your avatar does not promote that image.

I also think you have been watching way too much "Breakfast Club"

Lol, Never really paided attention to that. Maybe Ill change my avatar just for you!

(I have never seen "Breakfast Club" in my life, so I have no clue what you are referring to)

 

[0roo0roo]

failing to reproduce is not smart by evolutionary standards. many "smart" people fail to reproduce sweet genetic suicide.

that being said, there is some distortion from the welfare system. women who can't financially take care of their own children should be sterilized after their 3rd child.
its probably worse in welfare states like the uk
http://www.channel4.com/cultur...dge/13_kids/index.html
was a scary show. the benefits are enough that they can just keep churning the buggers out even if unemployed for a long time.

and well one cannot deny that some intelligence is inherited. we don't breed animals for certain traits because it doesn't work... it works very well.

 

[0roo0roo]

eh, well an amusing thing is out of the 4 stars of sex and the city only 2 have children. and only 3 children total. sadly there will be no more kristen davis and kim catrall is long out of the running. successful women self selecting against themselves?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

A thought someone else pointed out to me - in other countries, at least where beggars are more common, they have lots of kids with the thought that with more hands, they can beg for more money.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..end dependent tax deduction, and the anchor baby racket. will go a long way to solving the problem. Tax payer funded free education needs to be phased out as well. When the true cost of having/raising kids is part of the family experience and quality rather then quantity becomes the standard things will change. Secular progressives want just the opposite. They want population dependency to justify BIG government.

Having proper education is essential to furthering our economy, otherwise most people won't care. You need to get the masses to be educated to see a difference.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Point being, that if you had your way, you would have kicked the legs out from underneath him before he could make his way to a better life.

You have this grand "all knowing eye" and you can look upon the unwashed masses and know who is a benefit to society and who is not - and then pass judgment......

I'm just so humbled to read your mighty screed and just to stand within your shinning light of wisdom.....:laugh:

He swings again... and misses again.

Keep on trying.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Point being, that if you had your way, you would have kicked the legs out from underneath him before he could make his way to a better life.

You have this grand "all knowing eye" and you can look upon the unwashed masses and know who is a benefit to society and who is not - and then pass judgment......

I'm just so humbled to read your mighty screed and just to stand within your shinning light of wisdom.....:laugh:

He swings again... and misses again.

Keep on trying.

No need. I already took the trash out today.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

No need. I already took the trash out today.

You did nothing but set up several strawman arguments and failed each time. You're completely ineffective.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

No need. I already took the trash out today.

You did nothing but set up several strawman arguments and failed each time. You're completely ineffective.

Babydoll... Your premise was a strawman from the get go...... But go ahead and keep pounding away at it....

It's good for a cheap laugh....

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

No need. I already took the trash out today.

You did nothing but set up several strawman arguments and failed each time. You're completely ineffective.

Babydoll... Your premise was a strawman from the get go...... But go ahead and keep pounding away at it....

It's good for a cheap laugh....

On second thought, I take back the claim that you should keep on trying. You should stop. You're like one of those dumb, mouthy kids who continuously gets beat up and doesn't understand why.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

No need. I already took the trash out today.

You did nothing but set up several strawman arguments and failed each time. You're completely ineffective.

Babydoll... Your premise was a strawman from the get go...... But go ahead and keep pounding away at it....

It's good for a cheap laugh....

On second though, I take back the claim that you should keep on trying. You should stop. You're like one of those dumb, mouthy kids who continuously gets beat up and doesn't understand why.

Why not be honest and admit it doesn't matter what points of view are discussed in this thread - okay? You have your chew-toy and you're going to keep diving into it, thrashing about mindlessly - growling whenever anyone comes close to taking it away from you....


grrrrr.....:laugh:

 

[CrimsonChaos]

So what is your proposed solution? You said it wasn't PC to suggest neutering welfare recipients, but I'm guessing this is what you are advocating? What about people who were working and contributing to society, but subsequently lost their jobs and are now on welfare -- should these people be neutered? What about the person who is on welfare but going through various training programs and trying to find a job to become a productive member of society -- should this person be neutered?

One possible solution is to place a limit on the number of children welfare will support. This might make someone who is impoverished think twice about having another kid. But if they do anyway, then it's the children that suffer -- so it's a catch 22.

The problem is not everyone on welfare fits into the same mold. People are on welfare for different reasons, and they stay on welfare for different amounts of time. Some people who are on welfare came by it honestly, and others are just lazy and/or stupid. But do you really want to punish everyone for the misdeeds of a few?

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: IGBT
..end dependent tax deduction, and the anchor baby racket. will go a long way to solving the problem. Tax payer funded free education needs to be phased out as well. When the true cost of having/raising kids is part of the family experience and quality rather then quantity becomes the standard things will change. Secular progressives want just the opposite. They want population dependency to justify BIG government.

Having proper education is essential to furthering our economy, otherwise most people won't care. You need to get the masses to be educated to see a difference.

..historically correct for a post depression manufacturing society. But manuf. in the US is rapidly becoming extinct. Present educational system has failed to turn out educated technically skilled employable workers. Employers are forced to import technically skilled workers or off shore their work. The US will be a service economy very soon. The only skill required will be to match the picture on the menu with the appropriate key on the cash register. The tax payer shouldn't be required to finance failed public school education.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..historically correct for a post depression manufacturing society. But manuf. in the US is rapidly becoming extinct. Present educational system has failed to turn out educated technically skilled employable workers. Employers are forced to import technically skilled workers or off shore their work. The US will be a service economy very soon. The only skill required will be to match the picture on the menu with the appropriate key on the cash register. The tax payer shouldn't be required to finance failed public school education.

Where is it you live that you think our public school system is that bad?

Around here, those people pushing register buttons are south american immigrants or high schools kids. College kids are busy doing internships in offices, schools, or labs.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: IGBT
..historically correct for a post depression manufacturing society. But manuf. in the US is rapidly becoming extinct. Present educational system has failed to turn out educated technically skilled employable workers. Employers are forced to import technically skilled workers or off shore their work. The US will be a service economy very soon. The only skill required will be to match the picture on the menu with the appropriate key on the cash register. The tax payer shouldn't be required to finance failed public school education.

Where is it you live that you think our public school system is that bad?

Around here, those people pushing register buttons are south american immigrants or high schools kids. College kids are busy doing internships in offices, schools, or labs.

The problem is...IGBT is right...
Therein Lies the problem... we are turning out too many college kids... in order to economically survive, we NEED some lesser or unschooled cheap labor to work in our factories... thats why our manufacturing industries keep going overseas... american labor is too expensive right now... the entire workforce cant be upper class...

Soon we will be a service / information only economy which will collapse under its own weight.

 

[rh71]

Is it not obvious the poor don't buy condoms? (Yes they can be picked up at the health clinic but how many of you not-poor people even do that? You buy them, they don't.)

One other point I wanted to make, which happens to apply to multiple subjects... topics such as this which are unpopular are hardly ever changed because the politicians who win, need the popular (majority) vote. Far be it from them to outrage so many by taking an unpopular stand. Vicious cycle. The elderly also always get their way.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: IGBT
..historically correct for a post depression manufacturing society. But manuf. in the US is rapidly becoming extinct. Present educational system has failed to turn out educated technically skilled employable workers. Employers are forced to import technically skilled workers or off shore their work. The US will be a service economy very soon. The only skill required will be to match the picture on the menu with the appropriate key on the cash register. The tax payer shouldn't be required to finance failed public school education.

Where is it you live that you think our public school system is that bad?

Around here, those people pushing register buttons are south american immigrants or high schools kids. College kids are busy doing internships in offices, schools, or labs.

The problem is...IGBT is right...
Therein Lies the problem... we are turning out too many college kids... in order to economically survive, we NEED some lesser or unschooled cheap labor to work in our factories... thats why our manufacturing industries keep going overseas... american labor is too expensive right now... the entire workforce cant be upper class...

Soon we will be a service / information only economy which will collapse under its own weight.

I agree... in part. As a society we have placed an undue amount of importance on obtaining a college education. Look on Monster.com and you'll find hundreds of jobs that boil down to "customer service rep," "secretary," or "data entry specialist" that REQUIRE a college degree to apply. Why?! Nothing you learn in college is remotely applicable to these types of jobs. Why are we forcing people to spend tens of thousands of dollars more on an education they don't need?

If somebody genuinely wants to go to college, the door should be open to them, but we should cease placing unfair importance on having a college degree and allow the hundreds of thousands of people who aren't interested in college or don't want to go to college to lead a decent life, get decent jobs, and not be ridiculed by everyone for their choices.

Anyway, as for the OP's post - I simply cannot agree. What makes somebody poor, destitute, or in need of welfare varies way too much to claim that there are genetic factors at work. Look at the immigrants of the 1920s and 1930s. Many of them were dirt poor and would have been on welfare if it had existed at the time, yet many of their children went on to be wildly successful.

What this argument basically boils down to is one in opposed (OP) or in favor of state involvement in the well-being of its citizens. I'm not sure what the right answer is, though I think the OP's assessment that we should remove all forms of a safety net is extreme. I always don't think our society should coddle individuals who aren't willing to fight for their place in society. Basically, I have no problem with a middle ground. We should provide support for those who stumble, but those who stumble and never get up should be left on their own.

I'm sure my own upbringing has something to do with my opinion, just like the OP's upbringing has something to do with his. It's easy for us to say "oh, the poor should help themselves more," but the truth is I've never been poor. I've never been dead broke or at a dead end in my life. I have a very good education and a very supportive family. I think that if I had ever been really down on my luck, I might have a different opinion.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I was thinking how the country seems to be getting dumber each year. It seems that states are looking for more and more ways to extract money from people because the states are spending more than they're bringing in. I was wondering why we seem to be getting more inefficient and I thought about a pretty basic fact: the poor reproduce at a much faster rate than the wealthy.

While people on this board are probably wealthier (or will be wealthier) than the general population, there are masses of complete degenerates that are feeding and breeding at a fast pace. Their kids will inherit the same poor genes and habits that their parents have, and they'll most likely need more assistance than the children of wealthier parents.

What can be done about this problem? It's not politically correct to suggest neutering women that are on welfare tand have 6 kids, but somewhere you have to make the decision that it's just not worth the future hassle of having to deal with this problem.

Another way to look at it is this: a country's productivity leads to its prosperity, and that prosperity is at stake when you have a system that forces the breadwinners to feed the deadbeats and degenerates who either refuse or are too stupid to support themselves. And yet those people are allowed to continue breeding, and the smaller number of offspring of the breadwinners will inevitably have to provide for the larger number of offspring of the poor. This puts a drag on the productivity of the country as whole. A side effect of our current system is that it lets the genes of the unwilling/unable spread at a faster rate than the willing/able, essentially pissing in our gene pool.

forced birth control for those on welfare.

there are now shots that last 3 months.

so every quarter, b4 u can file your claim, any girls 13+ must stop by the doctor 1st.

sure it'll cost a little more to pay a doctor fee every quarter, but sure beats another welfare kid eating up resources (ie: my tax $)

 

[PrinceofWands]

I can only see it as a good thing, since I meet far more good poor people than good rich people. Then there's the whole fact that money and jobs are absolutely meaningless, and I'm pretty much unable to care any less about, yet disagree completely with, the op.

 

[alien42]

the only problem i see here is that the OP could reproduce and spread the ignorance.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Leros
Its a tricky situation. Like you said, a fast growing population of lower class people is going to cause some problems. I don't see much else you can do while still treating them like people though.

The situation will balance itself out somehow. Absolute worst case: the country will collapse upon itself, there won't be enough food to go around, and the poor will die from starvation. Balanced.

Actually what has happened throughout history is that the poor rebel against the rich, execute many, chase the rest away, and there is a realignment of wealth and status within a nation. So, if your worst case comes around just remember that the poor may starve, but the rich will be hung/shot.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: meltdown75
dude you make those less fortunate sound like animals. "breeding". "offspring".

i'm not ripping on you for it, i'm just saying... they are human beings too. how many people get to choose where they begin their lives? zero. a human life is a human life IMO. no one has the right to judge or look down upon people that aren't well-off or priveleged.

They are the offspring of human beings that have sunk to the bottom of the gene pool. It surprises me to see that most people fully understand how genetics works and understand that you can breed traits in all plants and animals, yet when someone (correctly) states that those concepts also apply to humans, there is an outrage and denial to believe that.

Yet it's correct. Humans reproduce by sexual reproduction and genetic traits are passed along. People are fooling themselves if they deny that more undesirable traits are present in poor communities than in rich communities, helping contribute to the fact that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.

Wealth is a facet of greed and opportunity, not genetics. Studies have proven, for instance, that wealth and intelligence are not related linearly, but as a bell curve. Your greatest wealth potential is found at 1SD above average. Less or more than that and you make less and less.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: zinfamous
there is no "poor gene," dumbass.

poverty is a condition of society and habit.

Hello, dumbass. You are so woefully mislead.

While there is no "poor gene", there are genes which help determine one's IQ. That, in turn, influences the person's ability to learn and make money.

Secondly, you mention habit. Who do you think is going to instill habits in their children? The parent. A poor parent will be more likely to instill "poor" habits in their children than a rich parent.


But thanks for making yourself look like a fool on a public forum.

Bullshit. You're the one who is looking foolish with your ignorance of IQ and earning ability.

Now, the poor habit thing I will agree with 100%, and is undoubtedly true quite often (though not an absolute by any means).

Most importantly, however, you're still failing to differentiate between wealth/career and being a good person. It's more important to breed good people than to breed intelligent people, or any other type. Since there is absolutely no positive correlation between wealth and morality, your entire argument falls flat.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: jjones

Nothing emotional about my response, just pointing out a simple fact. I'm 48, traveled extensively and have met and interacted with a great deal of people covering a wide spectrum of the social strata, so I'll hazard a guess and say I've a bit more experience than you.

Oh ok, you're a grumpy old man, I get it.

No, just a better person than you.

 

[waggy]

man threads like this are great..

whats going to happen to most middle class when the poor is taken care of?

but judging the intelligence level of someone by how much wealth they have is silly. I wouldn't say that the poor are more or less intelligent then anyone. but i would be willing to say many lack role models, determination, parents to push them and perhaps the social structure to succeed.


also income level for one may be fine for them but not another. There are people that ahve no desire to horde wealth just for the sake of wealth.