Future of Gaming and PC's

[wickedone]

I am begining to feel that the XBOX and Playstaion will start taking over, I belived the PC was the best platform for it a year ago but for the following reasons it may change.

Hitting a barrier on CPU speeds, result may be going to duel CPU mother boards and start having more applications take advantage of multiple CPU's, so now the cost has doubled .

Video Cards- use to be you were safe not buying the high end card , now programers seems to be taking advantage of the new cards and also talking about duel Video cards. Cost has gone to $450+ or double.

Dule channel Ram has already been in use for some time but it seems every windows operating system needs much more that the last..

Now from what I have read the new xbox and PS3 will have ( 3 CPU's ). I believe it will have current ATI GPU for Xbox not sure about the PS3. Take that with no operating system running in the back ground and games wrote to make use of the 3 CPUs it will take a lot of cash to get something that runs games much better. They also seem to sell the platforms for little money with the hopes of making money off the games.

Bottom line I could be wrong but looks like where most hardcore gamers spent money building high end systems to run current and upcoming games the future may not be good, with out spending $3000k or more compared to ( just a guess ) $500 for a new XBOX or PS3.

 

[SgtZulu]

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch n00b

 

[johnjkr1]

"Hitting a barrier on CPU speeds, result may be going to duel CPU mother boards and start having more applications take advantage of multiple CPU's, so now the cost has doubled."

Not quite, the CPU makers are just moving to Dual core. They'll cost about the same as high end processors now.

 

[Tab]

Hitting a barrier on CPU speeds, result may be going to duel CPU mother boards and start having more applications take advantage of multiple CPU's, so now the cost has doubled .

There is a difference between Dual CPU and Dual Core CPUs. Tell me where you get this idea that well need Dual CPUs.

Video Cards- use to be you were safe not buying the high end card , now programers seems to be taking advantage of the new cards and also talking about duel Video cards. Cost has gone to $450+ or double.

What? Safe by a low end card? Look how long the Radeon 9500/9700 lastested! I could care less if they are talking about dual video cards, look at the damn benchmarks. 1600x1200 @ a stable 50FPS. That should be good enough for anyone.

Dule channel Ram has already been in use for some time but it seems every windows operating system needs much more that the last..

First of all, do you even know what dual channel ram is? I am very skeptical if our systems even us that much bandwidth, however I have heard the Intels use it more than the AMDs.

Bottom line I could be wrong but looks like where most hardcore gamers spent money building high end systems to run current and upcoming games the future may not be good, with out spending $3000k or more compared to ( just a guess ) $500 for a new XBOX or PS3.

Give me $2,000 and you have a kickass system with a 20.1 LCD.

 

[OverVolt]

KB + Mouse on a PS3 or whatnot?.... i don't think so. FPS are so much more fun with a KB + Mouse. Theres areas where console games just can't match PC gaming, where it's much easier to make patches to fix bugs with online play and create Mods etc.

Only time will tell but for now i'm still gonna use my PC.

 

[DKlein]

Seems to me like they wouldn't put $3000 worth of parts into an XBox and only charge $500 for it. I suppose there might be a similar cost/performance ratio as with Dell computers due to price cuts and what have you, but then again I haven't read up on this (link plz if you have one to an article?).

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Hitting a barrier on CPU speeds, result may be going to duel CPU mother boards and start having more applications take advantage of multiple CPU's, so now the cost has doubled .

There is a difference between Dual CPU and Dual Core CPUs. Tell me where you get this idea that well need Dual CPUs.

Video Cards- use to be you were safe not buying the high end card , now programers seems to be taking advantage of the new cards and also talking about duel Video cards. Cost has gone to $450+ or double.

What? Safe by a low end card? Look how long the Radeon 9500/9700 lastested! I could care less if they are talking about dual video cards, look at the damn benchmarks. 1600x1200 @ a stable 50FPS. That should be good enough for anyone.

Dule channel Ram has already been in use for some time but it seems every windows operating system needs much more that the last..

First of all, do you even know what dual channel ram is? I am very skeptical if our systems even us that much bandwidth, however I have heard the Intels use it more than the AMDs.

Bottom line I could be wrong but looks like where most hardcore gamers spent money building high end systems to run current and upcoming games the future may not be good, with out spending $3000k or more compared to ( just a guess ) $500 for a new XBOX or PS3.

Give me $2,000 and you have a kickass system with a 20.1 LCD.

heh Farcry runs on my 3 year old Ti4200, just cant have al the pretty stuff turned on, I'm still waiting for a Graphics card that's significantly faster to be in the sub200 dollar pricerange, like a lowerend GeForce 6 idealy.

 

[wetcat007]

oh yeahr also computers are used for much more than games, so when you put money into them it's not only for games, but also everything else you use it, for IE web surfing chat, office apps, video editing, mp3's, porn etc...

 

[ForceCalibur]

If they made Xbox2/PS3 w/ full keyboard/mouse support, Monitor (DVI/VGA) support, and full speaker system support. Then, YAY. I could care less for gaming on a computer, and actually buy cheap but good computers for other uses.

But as the trend goes, not gonna happen.

 

[Mithan]

PC's are here to stay as a viable gaming platform for a long time. Keep in mind that consoles are horrible platforms for many games such as MMORPG's, RTS's and a few other types of games, due to the lack of keyboard/mouse.

There are more things to consider than just outright CPU power...

 

[tweeve2002]

There is one thing that PC has over ANY console. Mass Mulitplayer!

When someone buys a PC game 90% of the time they are going to expect network or internet mulitplayer. This is not the same with console games. For example, Take all the Xbox games out there, most of them are 1 or 2 player, there some 4 player, now think how many of those 4 player games also support LAN or Xbox Live. Take those Xbox live games how may support 4 player over xbox live none that I know of, how many suport 1 over all xbox live games. there are very few Xbox games that have 4 player and even fewer that have 4 player split screen over LAN. This number is even smaller for PS2.

The Console game makers usally look at the single player or two player market there is not much for 4 player splitccreen mass mulitplayer. Now if you go to PC Almost evey house hold has a PC. Most are fairly new as in the last 4-6 years ( I know 6 year old PCs are OLD). And most teens or young adults have their own systems to play on. where as there might be only one console per household. PC are expected to have mulitplayer it has been there for years, the console market is just now starting to catch up but it is slow.

If you look at the way that PC power keeps growing, yeah when the console first gets released it might be more powerfull than a PC when it plays games, but than the new PC componets are going to come out and the PC is going to BLOW the console out of the water.

Another thing is that console games dont change hardware like PC do so game are made to take full advantage of it. Every PC is diffrent so Game makers have to create the game to work on a wide range of systems.

 

[Bonesdad]

We gamers are part of the cost problem, constantly demanding more and better eye candy. Don't care how good looking a game is, if it isn't a good game, I ain't playin it. I can still go back and play the original Quake and have a blast, but some newer games just bite. Unreal II for instance...felt like a dopey soap opera.

Have to agree though...XBox, PS2 don't come near the flexibility and resolution that PC does or will. Maybe someday, but by that time, the computer will be a house server, managing many many other tasks along with games.

 

[gxsaurav]

Computers are not only gaming, if U want only gaming then don't buy a PC buy a console for sure

PCs were maid for many things alongwith gaming, like Video Editing, Audio Editing, Server, Scientific Stuuf (For which it was made originally), just tell me any one thing U can do on console & not on PC, & 1 thing U can do on PC & also can do on console except for gaming, can U use Yahoo Messanger on an XBOX or PS2

 

[duragezic]

Originally posted by: gxsaurav
Computers are not only gaming, if U want only gaming then don't buy a PC buy a console for sure

PCs were maid for many things alongwith gaming, like Video Editing, Audio Editing, Server, Scientific Stuuf (For which it was made originally), just tell me any one thing U can do on console & not on PC, & 1 thing U can do on PC & also can do on console except for gaming, can U use Yahoo Messanger on an XBOX or PS2

That is of course true (plus the PC costs a lot more so it should be capable of doing more tasks! )
But still, look at what people do with their XBOXs. I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a instant messenger when connected to live, maybe there is (I don't have or follow XBOX)??

 

[sharq]

Firstly to the OP, it's "dual" not duel.
The talk is about top of the line equipment. What about the $600 PC that can be used as a desktop, along with a gaming machine? The technology used in the consoles is not top of the line, which was evident by the current Xbox. Plus, here's the key to the consoles and their games. The technology is not changing for a few years, there will be no video card upgrades, or cpu/ram upgrades, only when they release a new console will there be an upgrade. So you don't need to buy a 9800xt (or better) for HL2. The game is written for the hardware restrictions in a console, whereas in computers, it's written for whatever is available, normally the best (and most expensive) products.
On the flipside, on my desktop I can play the pacman I could play on a P1 win95 machine. I doubt I could play a Super Nintendo game on a Gamecube.
Plus, I agree, there is much more to a computer than just games.

 

[wickedone]

OK had to walk away to go buy a new exterior door but glad to see all think the PC will live for gaming. To reply to some firts on MMORPG's
I played EQ from the start but quit reently becuase I like the High end Game, things that make the game good are content such as quest, player control, spells or abilties to look forward to , palyer interation beteew othere players and eyecandy, so many have but down game just for looking good but not being up top par with everything else . The preview from NVDIA for EQ was using a duel video card setup in a rig from Allien ware. and can tell you that no one can talk about how the game plays but most are very impresed with the look of it so far. I have a 9500 pro card and that is listed enrty lv reguirment. The game Far cry seems to be like so much realy do to the look and many wish they had better cards to play it.

As far as controls Keybords are there to buy for the Xbox and PS2, you can make the Xbox into a PC buy runing linux on it and they both hook up to Broad band so yes I would guess you can run Yhaoo Messanger on it and all the othere stuff Linux can do.

Multiplayer is very big on the XBOX and PS2 IE: Fianl-Fantsy, Tony Hawk, EQ, SOCOM 2, EA Sports Games, soon to come Battel field and others.

The Point I am driving at is the ones that buy high end equipment are Gamers you dont need high end pc for most othere aps. I dont use a XBOX PS2 but have bought all of them for my son and see what he can do with them. And saying it looks like the future for a Gamer Might be to have a game consle and a PC for the rest .

 

[Gurck]

Enjoy your consoles. Personally I like good graphics, so I don't own any. Have you ever heard the term "economics of scale"? This principle ensures that the average stuff will remain the same price, disregarding inflation. TBH I get the idea from your post that you work for a console company. Not even children can be quite so naive about the subject; the post seems quite hammy to me, especially coming from someone with 33 posts.

 

[wickedone]

Wow no I have nothing to do with PC's or game Consoles, The only electronic back ground I have is from building 8 PC's of my own and a few for some friends. I plan on Buying a AMD fx51 , ATI X800 , 2gigs of ram, a DVR RW, 2more raptors, a New sound card and New Speakers when I sale my house and buy a new one . I am pro PC at least have been, I use one constantly but seems more for games. It is just after seeing how the new games seem to be abel to take advantage of some of the Higher end stuff It mad me wonder and ask what I did at the start.
Just becuse I dont post a lot dosnt say anything about me that is were you are being Naive.

 

[0roo0roo]

xbox was a rather safe investment when it came out. its graphics still don't look bad.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Enjoy your consoles. Personally I like good graphics, so I don't own any. Have you ever heard the term "economics of scale"? This principle ensures that the average stuff will remain the same price, disregarding inflation. TBH I get the idea from your post that you work for a console company. Not even children can be quite so naive about the subject; the post seems quite hammy to me, especially coming from someone with 33 posts.

Roger that. I like good graphics, high resolution. People seem unable to grasp the concept that consoles seem to run so well because they're running at less than 640x480.

 

[ForceCalibur]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Gurck
Enjoy your consoles. Personally I like good graphics, so I don't own any. Have you ever heard the term "economics of scale"? This principle ensures that the average stuff will remain the same price, disregarding inflation. TBH I get the idea from your post that you work for a console company. Not even children can be quite so naive about the subject; the post seems quite hammy to me, especially coming from someone with 33 posts.

Roger that. I like good graphics, high resolution. People seem unable to grasp the concept that consoles seem to run so well because they're running at less than 640x480.

True, but those are just numbers. On an HDTV/Normal TV they look just as good as it would on a Monitor with high resolution/high aa/af due to interlacing and natural AA it provides.

 

[Gurck]

Regardless of HD reso, don't consoles only do 640? so it'd be stretched on an hd.. and hd's are only what, 10xWhatever? No thanks. Just like AOL provides a browser for people who can't master regular browsers (or shoe-tying), consoles are dumbed down gaming platforms for people who can't quite do the pc thing. Also seems to me that pc game options have declined a bit as M$ got into the console market - financial influencing? :|

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ForceCalibur

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Gurck
Enjoy your consoles. Personally I like good graphics, so I don't own any. Have you ever heard the term "economics of scale"? This principle ensures that the average stuff will remain the same price, disregarding inflation. TBH I get the idea from your post that you work for a console company. Not even children can be quite so naive about the subject; the post seems quite hammy to me, especially coming from someone with 33 posts.

Roger that. I like good graphics, high resolution. People seem unable to grasp the concept that consoles seem to run so well because they're running at less than 640x480.

True, but those are just numbers. On an HDTV/Normal TV they look just as good as it would on a Monitor with high resolution/high aa/af due to interlacing and natural AA it provides.

In one day, you have proven to be one of the stupidest people I've ever encountered here.

You're saying that the inferior image quality provided by interlacing makes it superior to an image that actually contains 10 times more detail? Why in gods name do you think they came up with HDTV? To try and remedy the resolution\clarity problem of SDTV.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: wickedone
I am begining to feel that the XBOX and Playstaion will start taking over, I belived the PC was the best platform for it a year ago but for the following reasons it may change.

Hitting a barrier on CPU speeds, result may be going to duel CPU mother boards and start having more applications take advantage of multiple CPU's, so now the cost has doubled .

There's no barrier on CPU speeds, only a soft barrier on ghz. Since others have gone over it, I won't reiterate the finer points of dual-core CPUs. Keep in mind that term I mentioned, "economics of scale". If/when dual-core CPUs become the norm, average ones will cost what average p4's & Athlons cost today.

Video Cards- use to be you were safe not buying the high end card , now programers seems to be taking advantage of the new cards and also talking about duel Video cards. Cost has gone to $450+ or double.

O noez, dual video cardz? Brand new concept!!1!1 It's not like 3dfx did this 10 years ago :disgust: (this has to be a troll post right? Nobody could really miss so many obvious things? please?)

And I guess the 9800pro sucks for $200 eh? Sure you could get a 10% increase from the XT at $400+, but why? Ignoring x800's for now, as they're not all that readily available yet, the 9800 pro is the second-best for half the price of the best. This has been the case in computers for more than a decade; I clearly remember getting a pentium-90 for half the price of the brand-new, fastest available Pentium-100 way back in '93 or '94. Nothing has changed.

Dule channel Ram has already been in use for some time but it seems every windows operating system needs much more that the last..

dual channel ram barely even benefits performance of rigs with AMD chips. Where are you getting Windows from? At any rate, heard of DDR2? Probably not, as that would require having a finger on the pulse of the pc world, which you oh-so-obviously don't.

Now from what I have read the new xbox and PS3 will have ( 3 CPU's ). I believe it will have current ATI GPU for Xbox not sure about the PS3. Take that with no operating system running in the back ground and games wrote to make use of the 3 CPUs it will take a lot of cash to get something that runs games much better. They also seem to sell the platforms for little money with the hopes of making money off the games.

Wow, 3 CPUs. I could put 3 pentium 2's in a rig, and guess what? It wouldn't be all that great. But if dull folks weren't wowed by numbers, fewer people would buy those uber 256mb ram fx5200s and such, and the good cards would cost more to compensate - so who am I to complain? Bottom line: I don't care if it has 100 CPUs and a terabyte of ram. Those don't guarantee performance.

Bottom line I could be wrong but looks like where most hardcore gamers spent money building high end systems to run current and upcoming games the future may not be good, with out spending $3000k or more compared to ( just a guess ) $500 for a new XBOX or PS3.

You sure are. A mid-end gaming pc only runs about $500, a high end one no more than $1000, unless you *must* have the fastest of the fast, the good old 2% increase in performance, 200% increase in price brand new stuff. Where on earth are you getting $3000 from? By the time the next-gen $500 consoles are out, a mid-end $500 gaming pc should cost no more, but cream them in performance, as well as having a multitude of other functions (ie. everything computers do aside from gaming).

My guess at you working for a console company is a bit off though; as I read through your atrociously spelled post, I'm leaning toward your father working for one and you trying to drum up business in a fashion only other 12 year olds (and not many of them) would buy into.

Last bit of advice: If you spell like a gradeschooler, at least use a spell checker. In a forum where you're faceless behind text, your spelling, grammar, and overall coherency are the only means by which people can size you up.

 

[0roo0roo]

still have to remember that the xbox is several years old at this point and still holding up. when it came out, ur budget pc wouldn't touch it.