Fury/x Voltage Unlock Incoming

[monstercameron]

Twas not raining when I pulled up the comparison, 60% percent chance of rain .

yeah it was raining here too.

 

[tential]

The sad thing is, AMD just had to make 1 $650 investment to have greatly increased its sales potential...

This is exactly what I had said though when I had talked about this launch with AMD. I said that AMD launching a premium product, I don't doubt the product will be good, but will they have the drivers/software behind that premium product or will people go with Nvidia due to that driver/software. AMD bungling this hardcore on a PREMIUM product really is unacceptable. It's just not the kind of start you want for launching a premium line.

I can't remember if there was much bad to say about the Titan but if someone could remind me go ahead. I don't have any hate or love for the card just can't remember if there was much bad about it.

 

[3DVagabond]

The sad thing is, AMD just had to make 1 $650 investment to have greatly increased its sales potential...

This is exactly what I had said though when I had talked about this launch with AMD. I said that AMD launching a premium product, I don't doubt the product will be good, but will they have the drivers/software behind that premium product or will people go with Nvidia due to that driver/software. AMD bungling this hardcore on a PREMIUM product really is unacceptable. It's just not the kind of start you want for launching a premium line.

I can't remember if there was much bad to say about the Titan but if someone could remind me go ahead. I don't have any hate or love for the card just can't remember if there was much bad about it.

I think they made leaks a #1 priority and didn't give out any samples to people like unwinder (not saying him in particular. Just speaking overall.) so benches wouldn't start popping up B4 launch.

 

[chimaxi83]

It might be because I don't have a beefy gpu but here in miami I never worry about heat. I can't quite believe that heat is such a big issue. Hell my AC is off now and I'm just fine, although there are plenty of variables.

Why not? If I see on my Kill-A-Watt that my total power usage while gaming on my overclocked multi-GPU machine is 600 watts for example, all of that is hot air that exhausts into the room. Now, say you have a 600 watt space heater. It is literally the exact same thing, using electricity for a task, and outputting heat as a result. 600 watts is 600 watts, doesn't matter where it comes from.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Now, say you have a 600 watt space heater. It is literally the exact same thing, using electricity for a task, and outputting heat as a result. 600 watts is 600 watts, doesn't matter where it comes from.

Does your PC really stay pegged at 600 watts? Unless you are playing some benchmarking software, I wouldn't think it would even come close to a space heater with similar wattage.

 

[Sabrewings]

Does your PC really stay pegged at 600 watts? Unless you are playing some benchmarking software, I wouldn't think it would even come close to a space heater with similar wattage.

Mine sits in the 400-450w range as it is when gaming in something that really stretches my 980 Ti's legs.

 

[Silverforce11]

When I was in Switzerland I didn't care about power, I had mining rigs set up 24/7 (electricity was dirt cheap), since it was so freaken cold I had to have heaters running 24/7 anyway, excess GPU heat just replaced some heaters.

Now in Australia, power usage is a big deal, 3 months of the year its intolerably hot. AC is ridiculously expensive here since our electricity is >30 cents kWh.

So power matters more or less depending on your situation.

All this talk of OC really doesn't even apply to me half the year (warm spring, hot summers) since those times I down-volt and under-clock, my R290s were sipping less than 150W gaming load at ~880Mhz and downvolted. Talk about efficiency!

With the vcore mod, what I'm really interested in if I manage to get a Fury X (no stock), is undervolting for more efficiency gains.

 

[chimaxi83]

Does your PC really stay pegged at 600 watts? Unless you are playing some benchmarking software, I wouldn't think it would even come close to a space heater with similar wattage.

Nah, I just threw out an imaginary number. I'm curious to see my power usage now at stock, undervolted. I might pull out the Kill-A-Watt and see what happens in The Witcher 3. Either way, in the summer, I won't cool my PC room while I game. It's just a waste.

 

[tential]

I think they made leaks a #1 priority and didn't give out any samples to people like unwinder (not saying him in particular. Just speaking overall.) so benches wouldn't start popping up B4 launch.

There are many solutions to this problem. Ship him a product the day of launch. If I'm not mistaken, the card was available a week after launch right? Or what was the time table? They had time inbetween right? Or am I mixing up with the Fury now.

I mean, the truth is simple, launching a $650 GPU without a decent OC tool is just ridiculous. You need to ensure that when you launch your premium GPU, it gets TESTED AT ITS BEST.
I mean it gets fixed eventually, but again, AMD mars another one of their launches. I'm wondering if they can get a launch down well.

I mean even GTX 970's screw happened so late it just didn't matter. The performance was there people were happy. I'm going to guess a lot of Fury X owners want access to a fully baked OC tool right about now while 980ti owners are happy.

But anyway, enough on that, I just want these results to come out, it's been way too long. I don't think people who got this card at launch day expected to wait this long.

 

[3DVagabond]

There are many solutions to this problem. Ship him a product the day of launch. If I'm not mistaken, the card was available a week after launch right? Or what was the time table? They had time inbetween right? Or am I mixing up with the Fury now.

I mean, the truth is simple, launching a $650 GPU without a decent OC tool is just ridiculous. You need to ensure that when you launch your premium GPU, it gets TESTED AT ITS BEST.
I mean it gets fixed eventually, but again, AMD mars another one of their launches. I'm wondering if they can get a launch down well.

I mean even GTX 970's screw happened so late it just didn't matter. The performance was there people were happy. I'm going to guess a lot of Fury X owners want access to a fully baked OC tool right about now while 980ti owners are happy.

But anyway, enough on that, I just want these results to come out, it's been way too long. I don't think people who got this card at launch day expected to wait this long.

I really don't see it as much of an issue. It saved AMD from having people pump max volts into them, run Furmark, and then report "OMGBBQ look at how much power it uses".

 

[railven]

There are many solutions to this problem. Ship him a product the day of launch. If I'm not mistaken, the card was available a week after launch right? Or what was the time table? They had time inbetween right? Or am I mixing up with the Fury now.

I mean, the truth is simple, launching a $650 GPU without a decent OC tool is just ridiculous. You need to ensure that when you launch your premium GPU, it gets TESTED AT ITS BEST.
I mean it gets fixed eventually, but again, AMD mars another one of their launches. I'm wondering if they can get a launch down well.

I mean even GTX 970's screw happened so late it just didn't matter. The performance was there people were happy. I'm going to guess a lot of Fury X owners want access to a fully baked OC tool right about now while 980ti owners are happy.

But anyway, enough on that, I just want these results to come out, it's been way too long. I don't think people who got this card at launch day expected to wait this long.

After the pump fiasco, I wonder if they even had any stock left to distribute freely. Seems stock is still an issue.

Gonna run into the issue they did with their APU. Were their shortage at first gave them a false sense of demand, then they pumped them out like puppies only to satisfy demand with the first shipment then have chips rotting in store houses.

Fury, was a successful launch in my opinion. Fury X coming off that E3 Hype was a complete tank.

EDIT: I mean, you don't say it's gonna be an overclocker's dream and then review sites are barely able to push 10% on the core. Woof.

 

[monstercameron]

After the pump fiasco, I wonder if they even had any stock left to distribute freely. Seems stock is still an issue.

Gonna run into the issue they did with their APU. Were their shortage at first gave them a false sense of demand, then they pumped them out like puppies only to satisfy demand with the first shipment then have chips rotting in store houses.

Fury, was a successful launch in my opinion. Fury X coming off that E3 Hype was a complete tank.

EDIT: I mean, you don't say it's gonna be an overclocker's dream and then review sites are barely able to push 10% on the core. Woof.

hmm, fiasco is a bit hyperbolic...

 

[railven]

hmm, fiasco is a bit hyperbolic...

Nah, it fits fine for me. But you can disagree if you'd like.

Seeing as how stock is still an issue in the US, because them having to either A) route inventory to satisfy replacements or B) recalling units to fix the issue, that's a fiasco to me. Debacle works too. Which ever word you want to use, I guess.

I doubt AMD is patting itself on the back saying "that launch was acceptable."

 

[monstercameron]

Nah, it fits fine for me. But you can disagree if you'd like.

Seeing as how stock is still an issue in the US, because them having to either A) route inventory to satisfy replacements or B) recalling units to fix the issue, that's a fiasco to me. Debacle works too. Which ever word you want to use, I guess.

I doubt AMD is patting itself on the back saying "that launch was acceptable."

In any case let us stop this off-topic discussion and try to stick to the topic at hand.
try here for coil whine/returns http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2437161&page=12

and inventory related topics here http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2438876&page=11

 

[railven]

In any case let us stop this off-topic discussion and try to stick to the topic at hand.
try here for coil whine/returns http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2437161&page=12

and inventory related topics here http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2438876&page=11

Haha, okay



Now that we know them volts are on a LN2 cooler, wonder what they can get on the CLC cooler.

 

[3DVagabond]

Nah, it fits fine for me. But you can disagree if you'd like.

Seeing as how stock is still an issue in the US, because them having to either A) route inventory to satisfy replacements or B) recalling units to fix the issue, that's a fiasco to me. Debacle works too. Which ever word you want to use, I guess.

I doubt AMD is patting itself on the back saying "that launch was acceptable."

how about C) UMC Enters Volume Production for TSV Process that Enables AMD Radeon R9 Fury X
LINK

United Microelectronics Corporation, a leading global semiconductor foundry, today announced that it has entered volume production for the Through-Silicon-Via (TSV) technology used on the AMD Radeon R9 Fury X, the flagship GPU in the recently announced Radeon R 300 Series of graphics cards. The AMD Radeon R9 Fury X GPU utilizes UMC's TSV process technology and die-stacking to fuse HBM DRAM with AMD's GPU on a silicon interposer, enabling the GPU to deliver unmatched memory bandwidth of 4096-bit and quadruple the performance-per-watt over the current GDDR5 industry standard.

"AMD has a successful history of delivering cutting-edge GPU products to market," said S.C. Chien, vice president of Corporate Marketing and co-chair of the TSV committee at UMC. "This volume production milestone is the culmination of UMC's close TSV collaboration with AMD, and we are happy to bring the performance benefits of this technology to help power their new generation of GPU products. We look forward to continuing this fruitful partnership with AMD for years to come."

Bryan Black, senior fellow at AMD said, "UMC's long track record of bringing innovative technologies from the R&D stage to volume production for customer products was a compelling reason for us to engage with them as our foundry for the interposer and associated TSV technology. They have again proven their ability to execute successfully with TSV on our latest high-performance GPU, and we are pleased to have them as a valuable supply-chain partner for our exciting new line of Radeon products."

AMD's GPU and stacked HBM dies are placed on top of UMC's interposer that employs a TSV process. Through a CMOS redistribution layer and advanced micro-bumping, these ICs communicate with each other on the interposer, thus enabling the cutting-edge performance and form factor of AMD's Radeon R9 Fury X. AMD's silicon interposer with TSV is manufactured at UMC's specialty 300mm Fab 12i in Singapore.

TSV has just entered volume production. Explains why we are just getting Fury now and why it's in low volumes. You need to look for actually reasons rather than making stuff up.

 

[bystander36]

I could have sworn that before they were available to purchase, they already stated they were only going to sell a very, very low number of them (I forget the number, but it was like 100k or something very low).

So the stock issue isn't a surprise at all.

 

[tential]

My post speculated what is likely happening with the available inventory as there is clearly an issue.

You supported my speculation by proving - yes there is a supply issue. And if you don't think one of the primary building blocks of Fiji going mass production almost a month after launch, a consistent quality control issue with pump noise, touting the product as an overclockers dream then launch without tools of headroom, and a highly likely chance new inventory is being used to accommodate exchanges as a debacle/fiasco - you sir are very patient.

Anyone who thinks this launch was adequate (note I'm not saying successful) is probably wearing tint-rosed glasses. They fumbled this bad. Fiasco levels bad.

I don't think all of that constitutes a fiasco. It's poor though. I think it's just the choice of wording.

But I still agree with your points it's not a good look. I think what brings it closer and closer to a fiasco in my eyes is this is a brand new product line. It's a premium product line. If I buy a fury x, I'm expecting the best support bar none.

It's even worse when you look at the fury vs 390x as without oc tools the 390x starts to look more attractive than fury. There are just a lot of things frustrating to look at this launch.

If i was an exec, I'd say the product is a success probably long run. But the launch period itself? Definitely fumbled hard.

 

[n0x1ous]

It would be interesting if anyone could get an answer out of AMD about what they meant when they said "overclocker's dream"

Perhaps that meant it could only be overclocked in your dreams? Or maybe Huddy was using his 980ti when he came to that conclusion and got mixed up during the Fiji presentation.

Haven't even gotten a chance to overclock mine at all as I'm waiting for RMA #2 to be completed so I can get my 3rd card and hopefully have a quiet one.....

 

[tential]

It would be interesting if anyone could get an answer out of AMD about what they meant when they said "overclocker's dream"

Perhaps that meant it could only be overclocked in your dreams? Or maybe Huddy was using his 980ti when he came to that conclusion and got mixed up during the Fiji presentation.

I mean we won't know until we make the tools and find the results. Which again just makes me irritated. Fury x looks cool and it's not like I can't our chase it. But too many problems with the card for me to care.

I'd say maybe next time but you only make a first impression once. With the third gen Titan comes around I don't think people will stick around nearly as long to wait amd to respond.

 

[soccerballtux]

Why not? If I see on my Kill-A-Watt that my total power usage while gaming on my overclocked multi-GPU machine is 600 watts for example, all of that is hot air that exhausts into the room. Now, say you have a 600 watt space heater. It is literally the exact same thing, using electricity for a task, and outputting heat as a result. 600 watts is 600 watts, doesn't matter where it comes from.

not true, actually. we don't know exactly how much gets wasted as heat and how much is used as work pinching channels in transistors and such

 

[thilanliyan]

not true, actually. we don't know exactly how much gets wasted as heat and how much is used as work pinching channels in transistors and such

For computer components the majority of it ends up as heat. Some is used for fans of course.

 

[casiofx]

AMD claimed the AIO is capable of 500w of cooling. And we need to remember the Fury X board have dual 8 pins, 375w specs.

So the board power when OCed is: [(1.453x1.453)/(1.2 x 1.2)]x(1242/1050)x275 = 477 watts.

477 watts is in the cooler's capacity while not being too far from dual 8 pins specifications (remember 295x2?)

What's the big fuss about Fury X can't handle 1.45 volts?

 

[ocre]

I mean we won't know until we make the tools and find the results. Which again just makes me irritated. Fury x looks cool and it's not like I can't our chase it. But too many problems with the card for me to care.

I'd say maybe next time but you only make a first impression once. With the third gen Titan comes around I don't think people will stick around nearly as long to wait amd to respond.

In response to your response...

saying furyX is an overclockers dream kind of implies they have special knowledge on the matter. But you are telling me that tools do not exist and that is why we don't see furyX being much of an overclocker at all. But if tools don't exist, how could Huddy or AMD be making statements like that. They wouldn't know, there are no tools........

Yeah,
Sounds ridiculous to me. AMD knows exactly how their gpu works. They set the voltage, it's not a mystery. They know exactly how it works.

The voltage was locked down, that's my guess. People like unwinder are trying to work around it and others will find a way to mod the bios, but the lack of voltage control is not accidental.

 

[tential]

In response to your response...

saying furyX is an overclockers dream kind of implies they have special knowledge on the matter. But you are telling me that tools do not exist and that is why we don't see furyX being much of an overclocker at all. But if tools don't exist, how could Huddy or AMD be making statements like that. They wouldn't know, there are no tools........

Yeah,
Sounds ridiculous to me. AMD knows exactly how their gpu works. They set the voltage, it's not a mystery. They know exactly how it works.

The voltage was locked down, that's my guess. People like unwinder are trying to work around it and others will find a way to mod the bios, but the lack of voltage control is not accidental.

I believe they're an inept company... plain and simple. Don't confuse me belief of their ineptitude to actually provide tools to OC well with a thought that I actually believe it doesn't OC well.

Simply put, the company does stupid things. I don't need to explain that statement any further really you can just use your memory.

So no, I expect the card to OC at least decently. OC dream? Who knows, but I expect it to be ok. I just at this point my expectations of AMD are actually this low that AMD launching a card, claiming it to be an OC dream, the card OCing decently, and not launching with OC capabilities is something AMD would do. It's literally not something that would surprise me.

That's just where I'm at and that's really not a point you want your consumer to be at where a used sub R9 290 is still something your consumer has to think about because they just don't really trust you.