Fury cards will NOT have HDMI 2.0 outputs

[Grooveriding]

OLED should be affordable soon. Prices are dropping fast. LG just reduced the price on its new 55" 4K OLED by another $1000 last week. You can find it for ~$4000 now, started $5500. By Black Friday it would not surprise me if we see sub $3K prices, and 2016 should bring even lower prices - I've read LG wants to sell over 1 million OLED sets next year.

And, OLED monitors coming next year:

http://www.oled-info.com/lg-display-enter-professional-oled-monitor-market-2016

I've been watching OLED and it looks to be the future for a good 4K screen if you want to preserve the PQ coming from a plasma. Still not sold on long term reliability yet. Not that plasmas are great, they fade over time. Another great thing is the power consumption/heat output of OLED. A plasma literally can heat your room

 

[Mako88]

OLED is the masturbatory fantasy of every display nerd since 2004. Every year they think "this is our year guys, I can feel it!" only to be snapped firmly back to reality.

Maybe by the time our first Social Security check comes it will finally be available. In the mean time, plenty of incredible displays at great prices throwing beautiful 4k images are currently available to enjoy. Foolish to wait on a dream, no need to delay purchasing. They're ALL fantastic.

 

[Spanners]

So AMD's official response to buyers of their new $499-$649 flagship card is "go buy a third-party adapter (which doesn't exist yet, but hopefully will soon) if you want HDMI 2.0."

Disappointing.

How is that a disappointment? You already knew 2.0 wasn't supported and the only option was an adapter, what did you expect them to say? Go buy an Nvidia card? Or are you just restating your sincere disappointment from your first post?

 

[tommy2q]

HDMI 2.0 is totally useless until freesync is available through HDMI. AMD already made their technical decisions. We should accept and respect their decision.

 

[railven]

HDMI 2.0 is totally useless until freesync is available through HDMI. AMD already made their technical decisions. We should accept and respect their decision.

You must be new to forums

We will fight tooth and nail to make our opinions FACTUAL!!!

 

[crashtech]

HDMI 2.0 is totally useless until freesync is available through HDMI. AMD already made their technical decisions. We should accept and respect their decision.

This comment shouldn't be taken to mean that FreeSync must be used, Fury will work without it. HDMI would have been useful to me, but I have moved on.

 

[tommy2q]

This comment shouldn't be taken to mean that FreeSync must be used, Fury will work without it. HDMI would have been useful to me, but I have moved on.

Appropriately, you have moved to the acceptance phase. HDMI 2.0 gaming will not be enjoyable until freesync is available in the next few years if ever...

 

[ocre]

Huh? I've never stated the fury x was better for me. No hdmi 2.0 support makes it far worse. I'd feel much safer with the 980ti.

What really annoys me is that now I'm lumped in with shill because I want hdmi 2.0? I've been talking about big screen TV gaming on here for 3+ years now. I'm not making a big deal out of this because I like nvidia. I make a big deal out of this because I like hdmi 2.0 and amd I waited for fury for almost a year now for nothing.
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this reminds me of the way i felt some while ago. I made a hasty statement in my discouragement and I believe you responded to me specifically.

Its not worth getting into, I just want to say that i kind of know exactly how you feel

 

[crashtech]

If the intent was to get likely AMD buyers to keep their opinions to themselves, then it's been a success on my part. Also, being told repeatedly by fanboys not to buy Fury if I have a problem with has been effective in getting me to look at a 980ti in July, even though I had no intention of doing so before.

 

[Scalesdini]

If the intent was to get likely AMD buyers to keep their opinions to themselves, then it's been a success on my part. Also, being told repeatedly by fanboys not to buy Fury if I have a problem with has been effective in getting me to look at a 980ti in July, even though I had no intention of doing so before.

Same. This is a big deal to me as someone who owns a 4k TV that is used for gaming. I was hoping to buy a Fury X, but without HDMI 2.0, it's useless to me. If/when adapters come, they will also be useless to me, because I run my HDMI through my Marantz SR5009 receiver and then to my Quasar 55" 4k TV which is effectively a monitor. $650 for a 55" 4k/60hz/RGB 4:4:4 panel with a great picture and no worse input lag than any monitor I've ever used.

Most of the 4k crowd is on TV's, not monitors... nearly 90%. I'm not an AMD hater by any stretch, my current card is a Sapphire Tri-X 290, before that, in my last rig, an MSI 290x Lightning, before that an r7 260, before that an HD4670, and in fact I've only ever owned a GeForce 2 or something similarly ancient from nvidia. But for AMD to hype 4k gaming and then miss the mark so badly with the people who actually have 4k screens right now is just hugely disappointing.

I would have loved to have given my money to AMD, but they don't want it, so now I have to buy the inferior product from the competition and further their market lead. And then I have to recommend the same to all of my friends and clients interested in 4k gaming. You guys fanboying and telling everyone to get over it don't realize most of us are upset with AMD because they've done what nvidia couldn't and gotten us to buy nvidia, not because we hate AMD anyway.

 

[IEC]

I'm sure reviews will address this piece on 6/24. Might as well wait for those before making up your minds.

 

[Grooveriding]

OLED is the masturbatory fantasy of every display nerd since 2004. Every year they think "this is our year guys, I can feel it!" only to be snapped firmly back to reality.

Maybe by the time our first Social Security check comes it will finally be available. In the mean time, plenty of incredible displays at great prices throwing beautiful 4k images are currently available to enjoy. Foolish to wait on a dream, no need to delay purchasing. They're ALL fantastic.

4k oled is in stores now and has been for a while. It's here, it's better than LCD and just hasn't been proven by a few years of use to determine reliability.

The main reason not to get one is that 4K hdtvs are still useless. No native 4K film or TV content makes them pointless. Upscaling 1080p is a PQ reduction and plasma looks so much better than LCD that even your average plasma looks better than any resolution of LCD hdtv.

4k is largely ignored because there is no content. By the time there is content OLED will likely be dominant considering they are already in stores today. Just too expensive for a lot of buyers right now.

 

[crashtech]

Same. This is a big deal to me as someone who owns a 4k TV that is used for gaming. I was hoping to buy a Fury X, but without HDMI 2.0, it's useless to me. If/when adapters come, they will also be useless to me, because I run my HDMI through my Marantz SR5009 receiver and then to my Quasar 55" 4k TV which is effectively a monitor. $650 for a 55" 4k/60hz/RGB 4:4:4 panel with a great picture and no worse input lag than any monitor I've ever used.

Most of the 4k crowd is on TV's, not monitors... nearly 90%. I'm not an AMD hater by any stretch, my current card is a Sapphire Tri-X 290, before that, in my last rig, an MSI 290x Lightning, before that an r7 260, before that an HD4670, and in fact I've only ever owned a GeForce 2 or something similarly ancient from nvidia. But for AMD to hype 4k gaming and then miss the mark so badly with the people who actually have 4k screens right now is just hugely disappointing.

I would have loved to have given my money to AMD, but they don't want it, so now I have to buy the inferior product from the competition and further their market lead. And then I have to recommend the same to all of my friends and clients interested in 4k gaming. You guys fanboying and telling everyone to get over it don't realize most of us are upset with AMD because they've done what nvidia couldn't and gotten us to buy nvidia, not because we hate AMD anyway.

I have a Tri-X 290 also, and I love it. Wanted to move it to the living room PC and get a Fury for my desk/workbench. I might still, but monitors (with DP) in the size I want are more than the 4K TVs I had my eyes on.

 

[JDG1980]

How does OLED compare in black levels, color reliability, response time, viewing angle, and so forth? Currently there is no LCD technology that does all this well. VA excels in black levels, IPS-type displays have the best color accuracy and viewing angle, and TN has the best response time. Will we ever get a display that can do it all?

 

[Wreckem]

I have a Tri-X 290 also, and I love it. Wanted to move it to the living room PC and get a Fury for my desk/workbench. I might still, but monitors (with DP) in the size I want are more than the 4K TVs I had my eyes on.

You could always look into the Korean 4k Monitors/TVs like the Wasabi Tango.

 

[crashtech]

You could always look into the Korean 4k Monitors/TVs like the Wasabi Tango.

Thanks, I did link to the Wasabi Mango earlier in the thread. It's a candidate, though it's relatively unknown and $100 more expensive than the similar sized TV I was looking at.

 

[JDG1980]

Thanks, I did link to the Wasabi Mango earlier in the thread. It's a candidate, though it's relatively unknown and $100 more expensive than the similar sized TV I was looking at.

I've been sort of wavering between the Wasabi Mango and the Crossover 404K for a central monitor. What concerns me about the Wasabi Mango is that it has a BGR subpixel pattern; ClearType can handle that, but I wonder if it would cause trouble on flanking portrait monitors that are RGB striped. (Do portrait mode monitors even use ClearType on Windows 7, or do they fall back to grayscale AA?)

 

[SolMiester]

Appropriately, you have moved to the acceptance phase. HDMI 2.0 gaming will not be enjoyable until freesync is available in the next few years if ever...

Are you trying to say gaming is not enjoyable without freesync?..LOL

 

[tommy2q]

Are you trying to say gaming is not enjoyable without freesync?..LOL

To get the most enjoyable gaming experience out of Fury, you will want freesync. HDMI 2.0 cannot provide that smooth experience. Most gamers who pay for Fury will want freesync and not the deficient HDMI 2.0 connection.

 

[Silverforce11]

If you game at 4K your FPS is lower and definitely FS/GS helps a lot there. Even in SLI/CF, min fps drops down quite low.

If Phillips update their 40 inch 4K monitor with FS, I'll grab it immediately. That's my only negative about it.

 

[NomanA]

How does OLED compare in black levels, color reliability, response time, viewing angle, and so forth? Currently there is no LCD technology that does all this well. VA excels in black levels, IPS-type displays have the best color accuracy and viewing angle, and TN has the best response time. Will we ever get a display that can do it all?

If you are in US, and have a Frys or Best Buy (with Magnolia) nearby then go take a look. LG 1080p OLED are there in most Frys, and the 4K OLEDs are also there at few locations. They have basically the best TV picture I have ever seen. There's just no comparison with any other screen. 1080p OLED side by side with a 4K LCD (even with FALD - full array local dimming) completely blows it away.

Black levels are astounding. True black. Viewing angle wise looking at it from almost plane of the TV screen, and you'd still see same colors. Response times are not good as TN though yet but they aren't bad. Overall, just one glance at a decently calibrated set, and the superiority over all other TV screens is clearly evident.

There are some issues too. LG OLED panels don't have sample-and-hold, so you may see some judder for horizontal panning shots. Enabling low level of frame smoothening removes this issue, but you may get some soap opera effect. And there is also some black level banding that some have complained (which I never saw) These are really nitpickings, and there's no way these OLED TVs can disappoint anyone.

LG have mostly released curved OLED panels so far. The flat 1080p OLED only comes in a weird setting with an artistic (according to LG) frame. The regular OLED TVs are curved. 4K panels have been curved too so far. The first flat LG OLED TVs with normal bezels and frames are supposedly coming this fall. 1080p OLED can be $2500-3000 on sale (55") and 4K OLED (65") flat screen will perhaps debut at $8000 and should drop in price soon.

One more thing that you'll notice about these TVs are how incredibly thin they are, since there is no backlight.

 

[Mako88]

Bought 2 x EVGA 980 Ti SC+ / ACX+ cards today, due to the lack of HDMI 2.0 on Fury X.

Hated doing it, paid $690 each, which is quite a price premium over the air Fury, and still more expensive than even the wonderful AIO hybrid Fury X, but had to obviously as my desktop display is a Samsung 48JU7500 4k LCD that I wouldn't give up for any silly GPU. IMAX on the desktop, nothing like it unless you're an early VR owner.

Damnit AMD...always one step forward, two steps back. So close, hopefully next time.

 

[DDH]

Bought 2 x EVGA 980 Ti SC+ / ACX+ cards today, due to the lack of HDMI 2.0 on Fury X.

Loved doing it because nvidia, paid $690 each, which is quite a price premium over the air Fury, and still more expensive than even the wonderful AIO hybrid Fury X, but had to obviously as my desktop display is a Samsung 48JU7500 4k LCD that I wouldn't give up for any silly GPU and because nvidia. IMAX on the desktop, nothing like it unless you're an early VR owner.

Damnit AMD...always one step forward, two steps back. So close, hopefully but probably not because nvidia, next time.

Well that should run 4k quite well. Enjoy


Now bring on some furyX reviews!

 

[Zstream]

Bought 2 x EVGA 980 Ti SC+ / ACX+ cards today, due to the lack of HDMI 2.0 on Fury X.





Hated doing it, paid $690 each, which is quite a price premium over the air Fury, and still more expensive than even the wonderful AIO hybrid Fury X, but had to obviously as my desktop display is a Samsung 48JU7500 4k LCD that I wouldn't give up for any silly GPU. IMAX on the desktop, nothing like it unless you're an early VR owner.





Damnit AMD...always one step forward, two steps back. So close, hopefully next time.

Gosh, I would love to see peoples 4k setup. I honestly find it hard to believe you spent over $1400 on gpus before a single review is out.



Might be a good thing if you did, you can stop ranting every other post.

 

[exar333]

OLED is the masturbatory fantasy of every display nerd since 2004. Every year they think "this is our year guys, I can feel it!" only to be snapped firmly back to reality.

Maybe by the time our first Social Security check comes it will finally be available. In the mean time, plenty of incredible displays at great prices throwing beautiful 4k images are currently available to enjoy. Foolish to wait on a dream, no need to delay purchasing. They're ALL fantastic.

OLED is getting pretty darn close. You can get some nice 4K or 1080P displays at finally 'reasonable' costs. I do think next year will see the first truly 'affordable' options without a large early-adopter tax that we see now. If you don't mind spending ~5k now, you can get some great OLEDs. Those will probably be closer to 3K next year. Not too bad.

For a lot of people who either have a very good LCD or Plasma, current options are just marginally better, or in some cases, worse. There hasn't been a lot to get excited about on LCD options for a few years. The newer displays are nice, but not revolutionary.

Definitely grabbing an OLED TV next year to give it a shot. I have been using my current LCDs for a while and an itching for an upgrade. Since 4K sources are pretty slim right now, its not like there is a huge driver to go 4K right now. Honestly, gaming is probably the only real reason to go 4K. Be that TV or computer monitors. Outside of games, assuming you have some nice GPU power, there isn't a whole else in terms of 4K sources worth going for. Can't speak for the upscaling, but maybe thats nice too? Don't know on that front...

Edit: Also hoping for more flat OLEDs next year. I don't mind curved, but it seems more OLEDs are curved vs flat right now and I don't want or need a curved display for my use.