Funny story - Porsche GT3 vs. Ricers

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: lizium
Dude, you can agrue all you want but we are comparing different things here. Sure your souped up Supra has its large numbers (in theory), but the car was not designed for such high speeds, and its a toyota after all. You said it yourself, you felt plain scared at 165mph, while a GT3 or a GT2 can hit 190+ MHP and still be VERY stable and drivable, and you can cruise at this speed for miles, while your 1200 HP supra can hit that only in a straight line with NOS, for a very short time.

I also think that all this crazy work will get your car used up fairly quickly... I doubt that you will have a good healthy engine in that Supra after doing a few NOS trips. I remember reading about the Lingerfilten (or whatever) Corvette which could hit 220MHP, but only in a straight line and the engine would overheat and missfire after doing that, so they had to rebuild it everytime

The 2JZ-GTE is almost a bullet proof engine... you could do a lot of work on it without f*cking up the top end... and not every damn import out there is running NOS. Like I said that stupid gawd damn movie made people think that these imports are running around with turbo boost buttons like Knight Rider. A Supra does not need a shot of NOS to reach high HP levels. Give me a break... I don't think there's anyone here who could drive around at 190mph in ANY CAR and consider it drivable. Aerodynamics have a big part to play in that and if you've ever seen the new GT2... you can be sure that thing was made to make as much downforce at high speeds as it can. A GT3 and the Supra on the other hand... I don't think were made for 190mph runs... why are we comparing these two cars anyway? Sure it's a Toyota but that doesn't mean they're crappy cars... there's lots of 500hp daily driven Supras out there who don't break down... and who DON'T USE NOS.

Riceboys suck... giving japanese imports a bad name... and that Farce and the Furious movie just jacked up everything even more... after that movie came out every damn rice boy wants a Supra or an RX7... give me a break.
:|

 

[Jittles]

I know nothing on this subject but just a question.

Are both these cars, the GT3 and the Super uber fast Supra 1200HP street legal or carb legal or whatever it is?

 

[lizium]

No it was a turbo Supra, and i am pretty sure it had NOS cause the way he was telling me the story, the Supra accelerated really fast when he just passed it (but not enough to get past him), and then just started going average speed of 140 or so mph, while he was hitting close to 165 and kept pulling ahead, and the just downshifted.

BTW: you can get a 99 or 2000 Porsche 911 non-turbo for roughly $50,000, and the turbo for $75,000

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Jittles
I know nothing on this subject but just a question. Are both these cars, the GT3 and the Super uber fast Supra 1200HP street legal or carb legal or whatever it is?

The Supra isn't Carb legal, I think the 1200 hp Supra is street legal, and I know that mine is street legal, it was run through emissions about 3 days ago.

 

[PCboy]

IMHO, the only ricers are those people who think they're fast, and get angry at people who have better cars than they do.

 

[lizium]

Yes they are legal; power has nothing to do with it. As long as the car meets bumper and emission requirements, and some basic crash test its good to go.

190 mhp is not smooth sailing, but its VERY drivable. I rido in Ferarri's and all kinds of Porsches when i lived in Germany, and 300kmh (about 180 mph) is nothign special, people with fast cars drive like that every day, and spoiled bastards with their F40's and EB110's do well over 200mph on clear roads, i've seen it.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: lizium
No it was a turbo Supra, and i am pretty sure it had NOS cause the way he was telling me the story, the Supra accelerated really fast when he just passed it (but not enough to get past him), and then just started going average speed of 140 or so mph, while he was hitting close to 165 and kept pulling ahead, and the just downshifted.

BTW: you can get a 99 or 2000 Porsche 911 non-turbo for roughly $50,000, and the turbo for $75,000

Well I'm sure you could get the regular 911 for that much but I don't think there's any way you could a Turbo for that low... i don't think you could even get the previous air-cooled 911 Turbo before they became liquid cooled for that much. That car is just way too much to be brought down that low... unless it has a salvaged title... if your friend could sell it for that much... maaaaan do i need to start saving money now.

i]Originally posted by: jittles[/i]
I know nothing on this subject but just a question. Are both these cars, the GT3 and the Super uber fast Supra 1200HP street legal or carb legal or whatever it is?

The GT3 was never released in the US due to the stupidest laws I've ever heard... like it's too low or whatever... uh huh... and some other crap... so I guess importing it is the only way. The Supra is no longer being sold here because boosted cars will not pass emissions since they are getting stricter with it.... that's why the NSX is the only one left... too bad its $90,000. So I'm sure any turbo car pusing 4 digit hp levels will not pass current emissions.

 

[PCboy]

The Fast and the Furious is the corniest movie ever. I didn't know people race by having battles of "who-presses-the-NOS-button-faster". This movie is probably why you guys are calling the supra a ricer car. Stupid movie.

 

[BatmanNate]

A Supra, rice?? Did I miss something? I always thought that ricing refered to the practice of making your car LOOK fast as opposed to making it GO fast. A stock MKIV TT Supra has 330 HP. (that's more than the stock Z28 Camaro) That's fast in my book, not rice. Even my modest MKIII Supra boasts 230 HP stock, and I would never consider my car in the same league as ridiculously modified Integras, Civics, Eclipses, and all that other 4 cylinder crap. Besides, that Porsche costs more than a Viper Hennessy 800 TT, which would plain blow it out of the water.

 

[Peacekeeper100]

I thought to be street legal in the US you had to be under 550hp or something like that. I'm really not sure about it though. I just heard that somewhere. Maybe it was it sell the car in the US or something.

 

[newbiepcuser]

Toyota = Rice. That includes the Supra

I guess that includes Tacoma and Tundra and that powerful Echo.
Dam, i better put a big ass wing and bigger exhaust for Tacoma Prerunner v6 then to keep up with Toyota=Rice image. I should get some stickers saying "powered by Chevron Gas or something." I have to fit in. I better look into some low pro tires now. Better remove my little tux penguin doll hanging from my mirror and put something more "rice" like something pink or pastel blue stuff animal.

 

[lizium]

I've seen adds for $50,000 for non-turbo 99' 911's... Good title, 40K miles... they are like $79K new. soo

 

[PCboy]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
A Supra, rice?? Did I miss something? I always thought that ricing refered to the practice of making your car LOOK fast as opposed to making it GO fast. A stock MKIV TT Supra has 330 HP. (that's more than the stock Z28 Camaro) That's fast in my book, not rice. Even my modest MKIII Supra boasts 230 HP stock, and I would never consider my car in the same league as ridiculously modified Integras, Civics, Eclipses, and all that other 4 cylinder crap. Besides, that Porsche costs more than a Viper Hennessy 800 TT, which would plain blow it out of the water.

Exactly. It's weird how the NSX is not considered a ricer car to some people. As most people would say "Honda = Rice". It must be because it WAS NOT in that stupid movie.

 

[stev0]

Silly ricers, stickers are for kids

hahaha!

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: lizium
Yes they are legal; power has nothing to do with it. As long as the car meets bumper and emission requirements, and some basic crash test its good to go.

190 mhp is not smooth sailing, but its VERY drivable. I rido in Ferarri's and all kinds of Porsches when i lived in Germany, and 300kmh (about 180 mph) is nothign special, people with fast cars drive like that every day, and spoiled bastards with their F40's and EB110's do well over 200mph on clear roads, i've seen it.

I think the GT3 could be made legal on a case by case basis... but the cost probably did not justify for Porsche to start selling it here since those were on limited production. That's why importers are the ones importing them here... problem is... there's regular 911s here rolling around with GT3 bodykits... which kinda kills the exclusivity.

I'm sure the F40 and the EB110's have far superior aerodynamics that make them stable at those speeds... a Supra has that teeny weeny spoiler... and it's quite high off the ground which adds more to the instability... but I'm still comparing apples to oranges... I loved going around in Europe too... when slow people actually stayed off the left lane... because those people you speak of just blast by soooooo fast... :Q not like here... :| Anyway... if i had $50,000 I'd get me a Supra... if I had $120,000 I'd get me a Porsche... if I had $150,000 i'd get me a 360. But I don't so all I could do is talk about it in forums like this one... how sad.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Peacekeeper100
I thought to be street legal in the US you had to be under 550hp or something like that. I'm really not sure about it though. I just heard that somewhere. Maybe it was it sell the car in the US or something.

No HP limits AFAIK, all of Hennessey's creations were street legal.

Viper GTS

 

[Peacekeeper100]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
A Supra, rice?? Did I miss something? I always thought that ricing refered to the practice of making your car LOOK fast as opposed to making it GO fast. A stock MKIV TT Supra has 330 HP. (that's more than the stock Z28 Camaro) That's fast in my book, not rice. Even my modest MKIII Supra boasts 230 HP stock, and I would never consider my car in the same league as ridiculously modified Integras, Civics, Eclipses, and all that other 4 cylinder crap. Besides, that Porsche costs more than a Viper Hennessy 800 TT, which would plain blow it out of the water.

I don't know if you want to bring a stock Camaro into this. I don't really consider Camaro sports cars. They may look it, but the engine is another story unless you buy the highest model there is. I drove my friends once and just decided to see what it could do. I think a mini-van could have beat this thing off the line, they are just to heavy. I've had no respect for then since. Considering how cheap you can buy one I think it it was just a way to pick up on women, because a lot of them think they can race.

 

[lizium]

Besides, that Porsche costs more than a Viper Hennessy 800 TT, which would plain blow it out of the water.

They actually cost about the same... The Viper is $80K + $55K (800 TT mod) + $5K (engine work) for the 800 TT, and thats $140,000 which is actually MORE than the GT3, that GT3 sold for $125,000 like i said. Sure the 800TT is faster, but its basically a rocket which can drive very fast in a straight like. I'll take the GT3, thanks.

 

[PCboy]

The GT3 is not available for sale in North America. This vehicle is not certified to U.S. safety and emissions requirements. Is a GT3 a supercar for you? You seem to sound like it is. If you think it is, why don't you look up the GT2. That's the one most racers should be scared of....

 

[lizium]

GT2 owns the GT3 since it has dual turbos... but its also $175,000.... I never said GT3 is the car for me, all porsches are good really.

 

[KokomoGST]

Well, seems like some people have a different concept of what "rice" is... ricers is a short unisex term for riceboys in my definition. And riceboys do not have any true performance in their cars. So a sub13 second Supra TT MkIV is not ricer. It's JAP... go ahead... call it Jap all you friggin want... I don't care. $28k for a used Supra TT + 30k in mods will have you running with the GT3 or GT2 if you know your $hit. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they absolutely blew the Porsche out of the water. For 40k in mods... I wouldn't be surprised if you were pumping out 800+hp... weight? lag? so what... you'd annhilate anything in your path with just raw power.

Supras are raced in many forms of professional competition in Japan as are other Japanese supercars. Yes, I said supercars. Sure, Porsches and other exotics are fine pieces of engineering but you can't tell me a built Supra or Skyline GTR (or supercar killers like EVOs & WRXs) can't annhilate them for far less money? Heck, the R34 GTR VspecII has a price that's pretty far up there and the turnkey speed to match. Heck, in some race competition classes, the Skyline was actually banned because it was just too fast. I believe that an Evo owns the 2nd place time on Nurburgring after the GT2.

Oh, and it's not like exotics are terribly reliable either... they are kinda expected to break down when run hard. Modified Supras are actually very reliable if they're tuned correctly. Their engines are horrendously overengineered unlike the tightrope dance that most exotics are. Pootech where are you getting this "engine wear" stuff from? Operational engine wear is not what causes tuned high performance cars to break. Detonation, overboost, holed pistons, overheating, etcetc. and other maladies are to blame for killing engines. Running nitrous (NOS is a company!!) _properly_ will mean reliable and effective boost in hp as long as there's something left in your bottle. And 240 in a Supra not being all boost? Well, actually... it would be all boost since the majority of the power to make it to 240mph would have to be provided by the turbos... that's boost. Pooteh, I'm sorry but you need to do some more homework.

That goddamn movie ruined it for all the real import enthusiasts.
Oh, and don't knock us Eclipses... there's a reason why Supras, DSMs, and RX7s dominate the Sport Compact Street tire classes. 9-10second ets are nothing to sneeze at on street tires.

EDIT: grammar and defending DSM honor

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: lizium
Now lets see.... A 2001 Supra twin turbo would run you about $55,000 + $34,000 worth of mods, and you get a $89,000 worth of ugliness and still 165mph?

Ok, i called this guy up, and he said that the car sold for $125,000 (only, hehe). It can hit 0-60 in 4.2 - 4.4 and top speed is 190mph.

Lizium,

You do not seem to be very informed regarding Supras. They stopped selling them in the US in 1998, but as I recall then a Twin Turbo model sold new for a hair over 30,000. Not 55,000. Stock this car is capable of 175-180mph. It would not take at additional 30k of mods to get it to the level of that porsche. A $60,000 Supra would be more than competition for that Porsche, and it would still be half the price of a stock GT3. As for the Viper, even the stock viper at $79k is faster than the GT3. The Hennessey model, for about the same price, MURDERS it. You may have a condescending attitude that the Porche is still "better" because of how it looks, or because of its brand, but there are those of us who thinks the Viper is a nicer looking car. To me, the Viper looks mean, like it's going to eat a Porsche. I would rather have a Dodge Viper GTS any day, because it is my favorite car. But that's my opinion, I won't dog on the Porsche and call it a small penis car or anything because I like the Viper better.

Peacekeeper100,

About the Camaro, I am talking about your stock Z28 or SS Camaro, 2002. That should be right under the $30k mark putting out 310 HP stock, obviously this IS a sports car, not a minivan chaser. The Camaro that you've driven is likely one with a slant 6, or a poorly tuned early 80's model. These machines, as well as their late 60's - early 70's counterparts are fast cars.

 

[BatmanNate]

BTW, a 94 Supra Twin Turbo with low miles can be had easily on autotrader for around 20k. That is a beautiful car for the price.

 

[PCboy]

A Camaro SS or that quadruple nostril fire breathing TransAm is nothing to scoff at either... but if we're comparing cars of different classes... a $10,000 2002 Yamaha R1 or a Gixxer 1000 will leave anything... including your beloved McLaren from a stoplight...

 

[Swanny]

Random Question:

What kind of ricer would be a good match for a 1972 911 Targa 2.4 liter (flat 6)?