Fundamentalist Mormons

[kogase]

This is stuff happening within our own borders, perpetrated by WASPs who have been established in this country for many generations.

Young boys ostracized from FLD communities.

Basically boys are being kicked out of FLD (Fundamentalist Latter-day) communities for the pettiest of transgressions in order to insure enough wives for the males who remain. There's not much I can add to this article suffice it to say that... this sickens me.

 

[Sheepathon]

Wasn't church supposed to be a society of acceptance and brotherhood in Christ?

 

[Vic]

The sect, which broke from the Mormon Church more than a century ago, has between 10,000 and 15,000 members. It believes in "plural marriage," that a man must have at least three wives to reach the highest levels of heaven. The Mormon Church forbids polygamy and excommunicates those who practice it.

Just to make sure it's clear that FLDS != LDS

Warren Jeffs is a dirtbag.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Vic
Just to make sure it's clear that FLDS != LDS

Warren Jeffs is a dirtbag.

Right on cue Vic. Anyway, Jeffs is getting hit from all sides, I expect he going to lose all financial control in the next month or two. I expect the Utah trust will be dissolved soon and the arizona one before the end of the year and Texas is going to own his ass and that new temple he's building. Talk about the wrong state to relocate to.

 

[Moonbeam]

A fool is a man with one having experienced one wife who wants two more.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A fool is a man with one having experienced one wife who wants two more.

Aren't you the one who preaches about being ingrained by societal constructs constantly?

Isn't marriage a societal construct? Why shouldn't it, and relationship structure in general, be questioned? Why must we be restricted to one woman?

Note: I'm not advocating this kind of behaviour, because I prefer the two person relationship myself (I guess societal training has done its job.), but where are the liberals when you really need one? I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

:laugh:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A fool is a man with one having experienced one wife who wants two more.

Aren't you the one who preaches about being ingrained by societal constructs constantly?

Isn't marriage a societal construct? Why shouldn't it, and relationship structure in general, be questioned? Why must we be restricted to one woman?

Note: I'm not advocating this kind of behaviour, because I prefer the two person relationship myself (I guess societal training has done its job.), but where are the liberals when you really need one? I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

:laugh:

Oh my Beloved, wherever I look it appears to be Thou.

 

[judasmachine]

what alarms me most is the rate in which they procreate.

 

[Moonbeam]

Religion is oh so often about sex.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Because sex is oh so often about politics, which is all religion is - one more way to control people.

 

[Moonbeam]

Real religion is about a return to the unity we were born in. Controlling people is what people who hate themselves to to try to fill the void. But nobody seeks that unity because they were made to feel unworthy. The religionist thinks it comes after death and the atheist that it comes not at all. The situation is hopeless because everybody runs from pain.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Religion is oh so often about sex.

More broadly, religion is what people turn to when they cannot make sense of the world through the power of rational thought, and how they justify a set of rules they wish to force on others that cannot be justified on the basis of empirical evidence.

More simply put: Religion is an excuse for not thinking.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A fool is a man with one having experienced one wife who wants two more.

Occasionally I stand in awe of your surprising ( and infrequent ) insight and wisdom.

 

[Jhhnn]

Polygamy made sense in primitive warrior societies, where the attrition of young men created an imbalance of males to females. It probably made sense in post- civil war America, and in parts of post- ww1 Europe, when the male population was largely annihilated. That doesn't mean it works as a permanent feature of a modern society.

In modern Utah, it's oppressive, requiring the expulsion or bachelorhood of many young men, and it's predatory on young women, who are often married at extremely young ages to much older men. Oddly enough, it's legal to marry long before what would otherwise be considered the age of consent.

But, of course, it's in the Bible, along with a lot of other retro-repression...

 

[B00ne]

In this case America truly seems to be the land of the free.
Dont you guys have laws? Why are they not enforced. How can parents throw out minors and get away with it? How can even the Police participate in braking the laws and get away with it(as in the case of the boy talking to girls). How can the town force ppl out of their homes - dont you have tennants rights and a legal procedure before somebody can be forced out of his flat? Why are these kids not in school? Arent schools if not public, at least regulated by authorities or can any idiot start up a school and teach some nonsense?
Questions over questions - I dont understand how something like this can happen repeatedly.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A fool is a man with one having experienced one wife who wants two more.

Aren't you the one who preaches about being ingrained by societal constructs constantly?

Isn't marriage a societal construct? Why shouldn't it, and relationship structure in general, be questioned? Why must we be restricted to one woman?

Note: I'm not advocating this kind of behaviour, because I prefer the two person relationship myself (I guess societal training has done its job.), but where are the liberals when you really need one? I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

:laugh:

Oh my Beloved, wherever I look it appears to be Thou.

im jealous.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

But think about all the multi-verses ware those kids weren?t kicked out.. they aren?t such jerks there, are they?

 

[Caminetto]

I have known quite a few Mormons and even a few who live in Utah. While I believe they all are way to far to the right, fundamental and otherwise misguided, I must say in their defense, there are wacko fringe elements in all religions.
I believe what you are seeing is that there are several towns in Utah where almost everyone is a member of a particular splinter sect.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
I have known quite a few Mormons and even a few who live in Utah. While I believe they all are way to far to the right, fundamental and otherwise misguided, I must say in their defense, there are wacko fringe elements in all religions.
I believe what you are seeing is that there are several towns in Utah where almost everyone is a member of a particular splinter sect.

yeah, the "standard" mormon, while pretty far to the right, seem to be pretty disgusted with the people described in the article. at least in my experience with them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Religion is oh so often about sex.

More broadly, religion is what people turn to when they cannot make sense of the world through the power of rational thought, and how they justify a set of rules they wish to force on others that cannot be justified on the basis of empirical evidence.

More simply put: Religion is an excuse for not thinking.

Thought is fear. Thought is always of the past. Thought is a fragment of the self imagining it is the self and can see itself. Thought is always separate. Thought is always dead analysis of what just was. Thought is why the world makes no sense. Thought is the origin of division that creates the need for sense, the fear of lack of control. Science is a trillion datum about a tree and not one ounce of shade. Empirical evidence is empty compared to BEING. 'I am I am I am' cries the real Scientist, the real Knower. In being there is only love. What does it profit a man that he understand everything and feel no love. Of what use is a man who can make a clock and use it to detonate a bomb.

Without love religion AND science are dead. All great religions originally were laboratories of love. Your criticism of religion is just a testament to the power of hate. Are you mad because the fail at the job? And isn't that another form of hate? Try to create a science of love. It will help you to get to know hate, especially if you have any real luck at it.

 

[Zebo]

The government has no business telling you how many wives or husbands you can have. These laws are anti-freedom, anti-rights and delve into peoples bedrooms just like the right does with their anti-gay marriage business. Go mormons! Go gays!

 

[ToeJam13]

This stuff is on the nightly news quite often here in Phoenix. Colorado City, AZ and Hilldale, UT are about a 6 hour drive north of Phoenix or about 1 hour north of Grand Canyon National Park.

The town of Colorado City has been a recent focal point for corruption investigations. The FLDS have basically taken over the government of the local area. State funds have been siphoned and misappropriated into FLDS causes.

Then you have the polygamy. The town marshal in Colorado City married his wife shortly after her 18th birthday. Interestingly enough, she was half-way through her pregnancy at that point. Girls as young as 14-years old are married to 40-year old men.

Many of the residential streets in town are private roads. Outsiders are not allowed to travel down them. This is strictly enforced by the FLDS version of the Gestapo who ?escort? you back to where you should be.

In my humble opinion, the entire town should be obliterated. Several MOAB munitions could be dropped by aircraft. These people are not citizens of the United States. They have for all practical purpose seceded from the US government.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The government has no business telling you how many wives or husbands you can have. These laws are anti-freedom, anti-rights and delve into peoples bedrooms just like the right does with their anti-gay marriage business. Go mormons! Go gays!

I'm not sure if my sarcasm meter is broken.

ANyways, I have to agree. The govt has no place telling anyone who , or how many people they can marry.

 

[Zebo]

I've actually spent time in and around there riding quads/motorcycles and such on thier beautiful red sand dunes kayack the virgin river etc..and let me say they are freaks of the highest order. Stare at you with a "get the fusk out of here" look, dress like little house on prairie, and are generally extremely unfreindly. It's really like the twilight zone, being thrown back in time to a hypnotized culture at any point you're thinking they may just make you "disappear" course the police and town officals won't mind since they'd instigate it.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: Zebo
The government has no business telling you how many wives or husbands you can have. These laws are anti-freedom, anti-rights and delve into peoples bedrooms just like the right does with their anti-gay marriage business. Go mormons! Go gays!

I'm not sure if my sarcasm meter is broken.

ANyways, I have to agree. The govt has no place telling anyone who , or how many people they can marry.

No i'm serious nothing wrong with two or more consenting adults marrying. But these folks are clearly breaking other laws besides polygamy -- like pedophia, tax evasion, slavery, racketeering etc and need to be taken down. Also not very Christian at all in their punitive ways.