Fulton county might split in two

ProfJohn

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Talk about a mess.
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south. The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.
The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.

I think a sensible solution might be to let them split, but poll the tax money for a certain number of years. Essentially ease the burden on the greater community.
Also a country with a million people is hard as hell to govern properly.
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A potentially explosive dispute in the City Too Busy to Hate is taking shape over a proposal to break Fulton County in two and split off Atlanta's predominantly white, affluent suburbs to the north from some of the metropolitan area's poorest, black neighborhoods.

Legislation that would allow the suburbs to form their own county, to be called Milton County, was introduced by members of the Georgia Legislature's Republican majority earlier this month.

Supporters say it is a quest for more responsive government in a county with a population greater than that of six states. Opponents say the measure is racially motivated and will pit white against black, rich against poor.

"If it gets to the floor, there will be blood on the walls," warned state Sen. Vincent Fort, an Atlanta Democrat and member of the Legislative Black Caucus who bitterly opposes the plan. Fort added: "As much as you would like to think it's not racial, it's difficult to draw any other conclusion."

The legislation calls for amending the Georgia Constitution to allow the return of Milton County, which succumbed to financial troubles during the Depression and was folded into Fulton County in 1932.

The former Milton County is now mostly white and Republican and one of the most affluent areas in the nation. Atlanta and its southern suburbs are mostly black, are controlled by Democrats and have neighborhoods with some of the highest poverty rates in America. (Buckhead, a fashionable Atlanta neighborhood of clubs, restaurants and mansions, would remain in Fulton County.)

"The only way to fix Fulton County is to dismantle Fulton County," said state Rep. Jan Jones, the plan's chief sponsor. "It's too large, and certainly too dysfunctional, to truly be considered local government."

Jones, a former marketing executive who lives in the Fulton suburb of Alpharetta, cited the county's troubled library and public transit systems and a jail that was taken over by a federal judge because it was filthy and unsafe. He denied the move is racially motivated.

Don Petree, the 62-year-old owner of Don's Hairstyling in Roswell, another northern Fulton suburb, said many of his customers "feel like they're not being taken care of like they should be with the tax dollars they're spending. I think there's some truth to that."

Milton County would have a population of about 300,000, instantly making it Georgia's fifth-largest county.

Residents of north Fulton represent 29 percent of the county's population of 915,000 but pay 42 percent of its property taxes, according to a local taxpayers group. A split would lead to the loss of $193 million in property taxes alone for Fulton County.

About 25 miles to the south in downtown Atlanta, the Rev. J. Allen Milner said he is afraid the tax revenue loss would have a devastating effect on those who need government help the most.

"If you take that money out of their coffers, human services will suffer greatly," said Milner, a black man who runs a homeless mission and is pastor of the Chapel of Christian Love Church.

Critics of a split also worry about the future of Grady Memorial Hospital and the Atlanta area's MARTA commuter-rail system ? both of which have contracts with the county.

In addition, some warn that a breakup of Fulton could harm Atlanta's international reputation as a progressive city and hurt its appeal as a business, entertainment and convention destination.

While other Southern cities erupted in violence a generation ago, Atlanta came through the civil rights movement with little strife, earning the nickname The City Too Busy to Hate. It is now home to one of the nation's largest black middle-class communities.

"This would send a clear messages to companies around the country that Atlanta may not be as progressive as it would like people to think," Fort said.

The measure would require the support of two-thirds of both the House and Senate. Then it would have to put to a statewide vote. Also, residents of what would become Milton County would have to endorse the plan.

While Republicans have majorities in both chambers, they would need to win over three Democrats in the Senate and 14 in the House to get it passed.

The legislation has support from some of the Legislature's key leaders. Republican House Speaker Glenn Richardson has referred to his top lieutenant, Rep. Mark Burkhalter, as "the member from Milton County."
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.

I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.
I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.
Who will pay the bills then?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.
I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.
Who will pay the bills then?

Everyone because they will be more affordable.
 

trenchfoot

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the rich exploit the masses. the rich cannot exploit the rich, as there aren't enough rich people to exploit themselves profitably.

get rid of the rich, and the poor masses will exploit each other, without the rich interfering in the process.

instead of multi-national monopolies exclusively exploiting the masses, and the resultant concentration of wealth to the top tier, there will be diversity and individualism blossoming from within the masses in the form of small businesses whose highest priorities are craftsmanship and the welfare and job security of employees.

and they all will live happily ever after. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
GA is almost as backwards as other 'Deep South' states.

Oh take your bigotry and shove it OK.


Hell its experts like you who don't have a clue about ****** yet you will rail about it regardless (love all the experts on Katrina cleanup here, Iraq, and taxes.... oh yeah)


Fulton county will separate into two counties and it should. If you have ever been in North Fulton you will realize how little they get relative to what they put in. Road expansion, schools, and public services arrive there last simply because the county board puts all of its efforts into the Southern portion of the county. I have friends who live in the area, my sister and her husband recently left because of the traffic and poor school support, and most have the same gripe - why is that they have to wait for stuff that other parts of the county don't?

Simple really. Its class warfare. The board is predominantly from lower income areas and love to berate the North Fulton population with guilt trips and the like. Any opposition to expenditures is met with the tired old "but think of the children" type crap instead of acknowledging the fact that the money is being spent for one reason only, so these board members can stay in power. Its not spent to make the lives of people they govern better, its spent to make their lives better. Since South Fulton has a higher population compared to the relatively smaller North Fulton area this trick works.

In the end its all about abuse of government power by politicians intent on keeping their jobs, and since the voting minority of North Fulton can't get them out they don't have to listen to them. Hence, North Fulton wants a government that listens to their needs and ALL people deserve that.
 

Wheezer

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.

I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.

Why? If the rich go then so does their money.

But then again they already do that with the offshore banking they do and you bitch about that.

BTW you statement should include Hillary & Bill...anyone that states they will finance their own presidential campaign should be classified as one of the rich you want to deport.
 

Schadenfroh

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Kick the south out of the union, think about.... you will never have to deal with those social conservatives again!
 

techs

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After years of and years of Republican class warfare many people no longer care for their country, town and city but only for themselves.
How far can people take this? Should rich blocks separte from the poorer block one street down?
The idea of America, that we are in this TOGETHER has been the enemy of the Republicans for the last 6 years. Its your neighbor that is causing health costs to rise, its your neighbor who is bringing down morals, causing crime, etc etc. The Republican idea that we should all provide for our own health care, retirement, disaster preparation were just some of the concepts leading towards splitting apart America.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.
I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.
Who will pay the bills then?

Everyone because they will be more affordable.

You think money grows on trees don't you? That might explain this AND the infinitely growing tax policy.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.

I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.

Why? If the rich go then so does their money.

But then again they already do that with the offshore banking they do

Exactlt why the rest of the Country would be better off.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: techs
After years of and years of Republican class warfare many people no longer care for their country, town and city but only for themselves.

How far can people take this?

Should rich blocks separte from the poorer block one street down?

The idea of America, that we are in this TOGETHER has been the enemy of the Republicans for the last 6 years.

Its your neighbor that is causing health costs to rise, its your neighbor who is bringing down morals, causing crime, etc etc.

The Republican idea that we should all provide for our own health care, retirement, disaster preparation were just some of the concepts leading towards splitting apart America.

<Tears> Exactly sir

and a lot of Americans have finally woken up and see the Republican policy for what it is, The Republican American version of the India Caste system.
 

Gibsons

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I was in Atlanta recently and I heard that the "white flight" had reversed. Lots of rich suburbanites were moving back into the city, lots of very expensive housing going up. Hm.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.

I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.



Dave, You ARE Rich. Give it up.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
I was in Atlanta recently and I heard that the "white flight" had reversed. Lots of rich suburbanites were moving back into the city, lots of very expensive housing going up. Hm.

This is the natural progression of the urban centers in our country. The inner city gets run down to the point of being condemed. Then rich people buy the property, kick out the poor, and erect high priced buildings.

The funny thing is watching these people fight for ordinances and laws and funding under the guise of helping the poor. When the fact of the matter is they are just laying the ground work to make living in the city so expensive the poor cant live there anyways. Once the poor are gone the rich are left with mass transit and clean streets ect ect.

 

thraashman

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I live in Dekalb county and work in Fulton county in the middle of downtown Atlanta. I understand the desire to separate so that the wealthy in the north can lessen their property tax burden. But in truth the city is already in bad shape from what I see. I'd really have to see how bad this city got if a huge chunk of the tax money just up and left.
 

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Atlanta is the only city I've been to in the US where I wouldn't consider returning to unless I was armed.
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
and a lot of Americans have finally woken up and see the Republican policy for what it is, The Republican American version of the India Caste system.

...and the Democrats are different?

Aside from the President, the Democrats seem to love the idea of being lax on border security and offering American citizenship to half of Mexico.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
and a lot of Americans have finally woken up and see the Republican policy for what it is, The Republican American version of the India Caste system.

...and the Democrats are different?

Aside from the President, the Democrats seem to love the idea of being lax on border security and offering American citizenship to half of Mexico.

The "rich" are only going to stand paying for everyone for so long.

You want them to leave (and take their businesses with them), America will simply collapse.

But remember, the downfall of America is what Liberals want.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I can understand why the people in the north want to break away from the people in the south.

The same reason 'wealthy' people across the country moved out of cities to the suburbs in the 80s and beyond.

The fact that 29% of the people are paying 42% of the taxes has to sting, especially when the people who are paying the bills are not using the services their money provides.
I say ship all of the rich out of the Country, it'll be better off.
Who will pay the bills then?

Everyone because they will be more affordable.

Sometimes your ridiculous logic is actually amsuing.

This is one example.

"Lets get rid of all the money, then the country would be great!"

LOL!
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: techs
After years of and years of Republican class warfare many people no longer care for their country, town and city but only for themselves.

How far can people take this?

Should rich blocks separte from the poorer block one street down?

The idea of America, that we are in this TOGETHER has been the enemy of the Republicans for the last 6 years.

Its your neighbor that is causing health costs to rise, its your neighbor who is bringing down morals, causing crime, etc etc.

The Republican idea that we should all provide for our own health care, retirement, disaster preparation were just some of the concepts leading towards splitting apart America.

<Tears> Exactly sir

and a lot of Americans have finally woken up and see the Republican policy for what it is, The Republican American version of the India Caste system.

No, what it comes down to is those of us who work are damned tired of supporting those who dont.

The incentive to be a productive American has been removed thanks to the Democrats wanting to take from those who work and give to those who dont.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: techs
After years of and years of Republican class warfare many people no longer care for their country, town and city but only for themselves.

How far can people take this?

Should rich blocks separte from the poorer block one street down?

The idea of America, that we are in this TOGETHER has been the enemy of the Republicans for the last 6 years.

Its your neighbor that is causing health costs to rise, its your neighbor who is bringing down morals, causing crime, etc etc.

The Republican idea that we should all provide for our own health care, retirement, disaster preparation were just some of the concepts leading towards splitting apart America.

<Tears> Exactly sir

and a lot of Americans have finally woken up and see the Republican policy for what it is, The Republican American version of the India Caste system.

No, what it comes down to is those of us who work are damned tired of supporting those who dont.

The incentive to be a productive American has been removed thanks to the Democrats wanting to take from those who work and give to those who dont.

Great point. As much as Dave, techs, craig, etc. preach to us about helping the poor, evil rich Republicans, blah blah blah....I'd really like to see how much they actually give to the poor. Dave can afford a yacht, but supposedly he hates the rich. I don't know many poor people that can afford a yacht. Republicans give more to charity than Democrats, but somehow Dems care more about the poor.

Democrats benefit much more than republicans from the poor and class welfare. The Dems rely on keeping the poor down, keeping them on welfare, and other government assistance. Its the liberals on this board that are always blaming the rich for the problems of the poor, they act as if all rich people got that way by stealing it from poor people.

If you guys really think that we would be better off without rich people in this country, then you have absolutely lost it. I have a question for you, Dave and Techs, what do you do to help the poor? How much do you give?