Full size trucks

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Drakkon
I've been in both 2005 tundra and 2004 and 2006 F150 hauling stuff. All had v8's and the tundra was struggling to make it up a hills with a small travel trailer while the F150s put hills to short work with a lower RPMs pulling 2 horses in a heavy trailer. The tundra was more comfortable, and i could see myself taking longer rides in it, but when it comes to actually performing like a truck I'd take the F150 over it any day.
I'm looking forward to this summer and seeing some of the new model tundras in action - they look like a dodge so it will be interesting to see if they can utperform one

Of course this argument goes right out the window once you bring the 2007 Tundra into the equation.

Toyota is basically calling a 3/4 ton truck a 1/2 ton with that new one. Not apples to apples.

 

[Jawo]

F150 FTW!!!!

 

[Vic]

This is just me, but if I was in the market for a truck right now, I would let other people take the risk on the new full-size Tundra. OTOH, Ford has been putting out a quality proven truck for decades.

 

[Xyclone]

I love my 2003 Tundra. Except for the fact that it's huge. And I never use the bed. It was my dad's work truck.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Toyota is basically calling a 3/4 ton truck a 1/2 ton with that new one. Not apples to apples.

if we're saying that the T100 was a 1/2 ton truck, then i guess you could say the new Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck. except that the chevy 2500HD will take double the payload and 50% more tow load. cab size is comparable, at least.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Toyota is basically calling a 3/4 ton truck a 1/2 ton with that new one. Not apples to apples.

if we're saying that the T100 was a 1/2 ton truck, then i guess you could say the new Tundra is a 3/4 ton truck. except that the chevy 2500HD will take double the payload and 50% more tow load. cab size is comparable, at least.

Basically what I'm saying is, Toyota is advertising all the heavy-duty stuff, rotors, transmissions, etc. they put in the truck, and that stuff is more like 3/4 ton truck equipment....but they don't want to take on the F-350 and 3500 GM trucks, or they'd lose...badly.
The new Tundra is sort of an in-between truck.

 

[0]

Silverado crew FTW.

 

[Turin39789]

I'm thinking about buying a 1986 F150 long bed "351 windsor engine. 2WD with auto trans. Runs and drives good. Body is in fair shape. Transmission shifts smooth. Long bed with plastic bed liner." on the cheap

Was that a good year?

 

[jdoggg12]

The 07 Tundra is geared towards the silverado, Ram 1500, and F150.... it just so happens to be built on heavier duty parts. So, in effect, they're over compensating for being smaller than the rest of the 1/2 ton trucks in the past. The Tundra does really look like a Ram now though... but the OP said he was looking at about 1 year old which is the 06 model or 05.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: 0
Silverado crew FTW.

My Dad's 03 Silverado has been a nightmare. I'd take an F150 over the Silverado/Sierra any day.

 

[ponyo]

I've '02 Tundra extended cab. We do have a car seat in the back for my daughter but the back is definitely cramped and uncomfortable for adults.

I would go with the F150 as it's roomier and is a better truck IMO.

 

[funboy6942]

I like the Dodge 2500 with the Cummins Diesel myself. It is just one mother of a engine, and 300K+ Miles without breaking a sweat, not to mention all the hop ups for it to make it go almost as fast as a Lamborghini, ok, maybe not that fast, but damnit it if wont make all 4 tires leave rubber and smoke, and give a corvette a run for its money if you mod the turbo and chip it.

4 door, 4x4, chipped, lifted, tinted windows, oooh soooo SWEET

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Drakkon
I've been in both 2005 tundra and 2004 and 2006 F150 hauling stuff. All had v8's and the tundra was struggling to make it up a hills with a small travel trailer while the F150s put hills to short work with a lower RPMs pulling 2 horses in a heavy trailer. The tundra was more comfortable, and i could see myself taking longer rides in it, but when it comes to actually performing like a truck I'd take the F150 over it any day.
I'm looking forward to this summer and seeing some of the new model tundras in action - they look like a dodge so it will be interesting to see if they can utperform one

Of course this argument goes right out the window once you bring the 2007 Tundra into the equation.

Toyota is basically calling a 3/4 ton truck a 1/2 ton with that new one. Not apples to apples.

WHAAAAAA!!! It's too small...

WHAAAAAA!!! It's too big...

I wish you domestic fanboys would make up your minds.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: funboy42
I like the Dodge 2500 with the Cummins Diesel myself. It is just one mother of a engine, and 300K+ Miles without breaking a sweat, not to mention all the hop ups for it to make it go almost as fast as a Lamborghini, ok, maybe not that fast, but damnit it if wont make all 4 tires leave rubber and smoke, and give a corvette a run for its money if you mod the turbo and chip it.

4 door, 4x4, chipped, lifted, tinted windows, oooh soooo SWEET

teh diesel is the only Dodge truck i would buy.

BUT teh ford diesel is damn good also. my FIL has a F250 duelie diesal and i love it.

 

[Kirby]

I prefer the F100 myself.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: funboy42
I like the Dodge 2500 with the Cummins Diesel myself. It is just one mother of a engine, and 300K+ Miles without breaking a sweat, not to mention all the hop ups for it to make it go almost as fast as a Lamborghini, ok, maybe not that fast, but damnit it if wont make all 4 tires leave rubber and smoke, and give a corvette a run for its money if you mod the turbo and chip it.

4 door, 4x4, chipped, lifted, tinted windows, oooh soooo SWEET

teh diesel is the only Dodge truck i would buy.

BUT teh ford diesel is damn good also. my FIL has a F250 duelie diesal and i love it.

The Powerstroke is the sorriest of the bunch. They've had more problems with the 6.0 'Stroke than you can even think about, and they still continue. The Duramax and Cummins are much more reliable. The old 7.3 Powerstrokes were a frigging nightmare, too....and about the time they got them about halfway reliable, they dumped them for the 6.0. The old 6.9 was a pile of junk when it came out...actually, it sucked the whole time. So did the non-turbo 7.3 when it came out.
Now they have the 6.4 coming out....if Ford's track record is any indicator, the truck shops will be full of them soon.

 

[EightySix Four]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: funboy42
I like the Dodge 2500 with the Cummins Diesel myself. It is just one mother of a engine, and 300K+ Miles without breaking a sweat, not to mention all the hop ups for it to make it go almost as fast as a Lamborghini, ok, maybe not that fast, but damnit it if wont make all 4 tires leave rubber and smoke, and give a corvette a run for its money if you mod the turbo and chip it.

4 door, 4x4, chipped, lifted, tinted windows, oooh soooo SWEET

teh diesel is the only Dodge truck i would buy.

BUT teh ford diesel is damn good also. my FIL has a F250 duelie diesal and i love it.

The Powerstroke is the sorriest of the bunch. They've had more problems with the 6.0 'Stroke than you can even think about, and they still continue. The Duramax and Cummins are much more reliable. The old 7.3 Powerstrokes were a frigging nightmare, too....and about the time they got them about halfway reliable, they dumped them for the 6.0. The old 6.9 was a pile of junk when it came out...actually, it sucked the whole time. So did the non-turbo 7.3 when it came out.
Now they have the 6.4 coming out....if Ford's track record is any indicator, the truck shops will be full of them soon.

I know their track record isn't the best, but my dad's company owns 2x 2k6 F-250 Turbo Diesels, crew cab, lariat, the works and the SOB's kick ass. Not a problem to speak of so far. (Like 125k miles between the two)

 

[ebeattie]

Pony up the extra bucks and get the 07 Tundra.

Two reasons. one, you get a truck that will work hard and not break down on you and the second is IT WONT BREAK DOWN ON YOU.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: ebeattie
Pony up the extra bucks and get the 07 Tundra.

Two reasons. one, you get a truck that will work hard and not break down on you and the second is IT WONT BREAK DOWN ON YOU.

Yes it will. They all break. Go to the Toyota dealership, and look around the service department....it's full of broken Toyotas. Same with the Honda and any other type of car.

Do Toyotas break less than Fords or Chevys? Maybe, but not as much so as people think. It's a perception that the public has, really, more so than it is a reality.

Sure, I'm sure all the Toyota fans can come out of the woodwork to say how their Camrys have got 200k miles on them. And I can come back with a Ford or Chevy with 200k+ for every one of them.

When Toyota is making anywhere near as many Tundras as Ford is F-150's and GM is Silverados and Sierras, AND they are able to do it with a level of quality that in reality equals what the public's perception is, come back and talk to me.

 

[Sluggo]

We have a 99 Expedition, and I have to say its one of the most trouble free vehicles we have ever owned. We bought it a few years back with about 47,000 miles, it now has 180,000 miles, and still runs great. I certainly dont take really good care of our vehicles, we have run it out of oil and overheated it many times, and it still keeps going.

The biggest repair we have done to it is a new radiator (the cause of the overheating) other than that it has been minor crap like an alternator, starter relay and some minor vacuum leaks. Most all repairs have been less than $100 and an hour or so under the hood.

It has only in the past 3 months or so developed a leak, so its more than likely the front seal or the front differential, I really havent examined it closely.

My only real issue with the last gen Tundra was the fact that you sit so close to the windshield. When you are driving one it seems like you face is only about 12" from the windshield and its really disconcerting for me. Besides that everyone I have talked to that had one was really happy with it, and said it had a nice soft ride, not quite as choppy as a domestic truck.

EDIT:

Our Expedition has the 5.4 motor, but the engine really struggles to move the truck around. On ours I think it has more to do with the gearing and tires than the actual power output of the motor.

Ours has the 3.35 gears, and 32" tires which makes the motor really struggle on launch, but it excels at low RPM highway traveling.

If you do look for a 97-03 Ford try to find one with the 3.73 (most have 3.55, and some dogs have the 3.35) rear end gears, it hurts gas mileage a bit, but really improves the overall driveability.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ebeattie
Pony up the extra bucks and get the 07 Tundra.

Two reasons. one, you get a truck that will work hard and not break down on you and the second is IT WONT BREAK DOWN ON YOU.

Ridiculous. If this was true I'd have a '74 Celica GT coupe with a million miles on it as my daily driver, yet looking and running better than it did the day it rolled off the showroom floor.

All cars break down. It's inevitable. Even Toyotas. The only question is when and how.

 

[Jawo]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ebeattie
Pony up the extra bucks and get the 07 Tundra.

Two reasons. one, you get a truck that will work hard and not break down on you and the second is IT WONT BREAK DOWN ON YOU.

Ridiculous. If this was true I'd have a '74 Celica GT coupe with a million miles on it as my daily driver, yet looking and running better than it did the day it rolled off the showroom floor.

All cars break down. It's inevitable. Even Toyotas. The only question is when and how.

Yup...the other question is styling. Not so much of a difference in trucks (exclude Honda) but Toyota's looks are old, and they might be the most efficient, but fewer people want them. Ford's been producing trucks longer and the original Model T could be converted to a truck! Toyota really wasn't making trucks till recently when they saw the demand for them in the US...and the are nearly ONLY sold in the US....

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: ebeattie
Pony up the extra bucks and get the 07 Tundra.

Two reasons. one, you get a truck that will work hard and not break down on you and the second is IT WONT BREAK DOWN ON YOU.

Yes it will. They all break. Go to the Toyota dealership, and look around the service department....it's full of broken Toyotas. Same with the Honda and any other type of car.

Huh? Oh, you mean everyone takes their not broken cars and trucks to the Ford dealership. Oh, I get it.

Hmmmm.... I just assume that at a service department, you would find broken vehicles.



The Toyota changed for MY 2007. I know they increased the motor output. Otherwise, no opinion on it. Owned an F-250 7.3l turbo diesel with no issues. The 6.0 added more power and towing on 250/350's is huge now. The 5.4 in a 150 has been a good engine for the most part (capacitor wires for the loss though at $150 and an older issue with condensation on those). But, it is thirsty. Our Expedition gets 13mpg around town (ATL traffic) and that would be similar to a F150 crew. The 7.3 diesel would get about 16, but fuel is about 20 cents + more a gallon. You need to change the fuel filter every 10k (at least on my 1999 you did).

One thing I changed my mind on with a truck is what you are using it for. If you plan to carry stuff in the bed that includes rock, etc., think how it gets in there. They dump it in with a bucket. The paint will get scratched. Instead of going for a bed load, look at towing a trailer. I had a solid metal sided trailer built with a 3500 lb capacity for $800. Scratch the heck out of it for all I care. It carries more than a truck and is even in the towing range of a SUV or lighter truck. So consider that option if you are in the market for a truck.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

FWIW I have a 95' Ford Bronco (an SUV build off the frame of a short bed F-150) The 5.8L V8 is one tough dude. I've seen the trucks pulling peanut wagons out in the field. The 3.55 gear ratio works great and the the 4x4 (mandatory on Broncos) really gets the vehicle anywhere (works really good on the muddy dirt roads after rain... anyone who knows Georgia clay knowns what i mean).

Personally the only Tundra I've driven is a 2005 and I found it too soft.. Felt like it couldn't do anything. It may be stupid but if I get a truck.. I want it to feel like a truck..

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
FWIW I have a 95' Ford Bronco (an SUV build off the frame of a short bed F-150) The 5.8L V8 is one tough dude. I've seen the trucks pulling peanut wagons out in the field. The 3.55 gear ratio works great and the the 4x4 (mandatory on Broncos) really gets the vehicle anywhere (works really good on the muddy dirt roads after rain... anyone who knows Georgia clay knowns what i mean).

Personally the only Tundra I've driven is a 2005 and I found it too soft.. Felt like it couldn't do anything. It may be stupid but if I get a truck.. I want it to feel like a truck..

You say that, and yet all full size 1/2 ton pickups have IFS now, to the detriment of durability and off road performance.