Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[frostedflakes]

Seems unlikely to me, but who knows.

 

[Idontcare]

AMD Considers Equipping FX Chips with Liquid-Cooling Solution.

If they are putting out feelers with this idea. I think its great.
It would give it a nice advantage over most usual smaller high rpm stock hsf.

Great if its not needed.

But my concern is that they are bundling this because they need to lower the max acceptable temp that the CPU can operate at in order to guarantee clockspeeds they want to sell it at.

 

[Arg Clin]

Some numbers ???..

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/compare/425710/412187

"AMD Eng Sample, ZS21245TGG44_31/21/2_2/16 @ 1.40 GHz"

Interesting.

 

[Abwx]

In INTEGER single threaded applications , normalized at equal frequency ,
a BD core is 15% faster than a K10.5 core , while in single threaded
FP it show a dramatic 144% better performance, according to this bench,
wich is yet to be proved legit , but the numbers are relatively good if true..

 

[Vesku]

P4 was just ahead of it's time.

This is not a good sign to my spare CM 212+ giving me some overclocking headroom on 8 core BD. Hope it can at least keep it cool at stock, rofl.

 

[Phynaz]

AMD Considers Equipping FX Chips with Liquid-Cooling Solution.

If they are putting out feelers with this idea. I think its great.
It would give it a nice advantage over most usual smaller high rpm stock hsf.

At double the air cooled cpu price

 

[Imouto]

I just hope they'll sell the chips all alone with a price cut like they used to do.

 

[Idontcare]

I just hope they'll sell the chips all alone with a price cut like they used to do.

Are you referring to OEM chips? They typically come without a HSF but they also typically come with a scant 30day warranty (versus the 3yr warranty for retail units).

 

[dac7nco]

According to Xbit Labs, which I increasingly read after having a whiff of s**t, AMD may be offering liquid-cooling to the top of the FX line. There's a lot of AMD guys there who are hollering about the performance of the high-end FX... if AMD needs H2O to compete with 1155, they're STRAIGHT f****d.

I am interested in a 3.0GHz 8-core (with turbo) which performs like my 2.4GHz 6-core (with turbo)... until January.

Edit: Didn't see Notty's post.

Daimon

Please watch your language in the technical forums.
AnandTech Moderator - Keysplayr

 

[dac7nco]

Aside from XBit's posting about Intel's water-cooled CPUs awhile ago, I even doubt that AMD would do this themselves (H2O). Out-of-the-box H20 would sign the execution warrant on Bulldozer, we will know why real leaks have been non-existent, and that will be the end of discussion.

Daimon

 

[Nemesis 1]

AMD Considers Equipping FX Chips with Liquid-Cooling Solution.

If they are putting out feelers with this idea. I think its great.
It would give it a nice advantage over most usual smaller high rpm stock hsf.

Ya I think its great also . Water cooling included with a $320 chip . I could change my mind.

 

[Arg Clin]

According to Xbit Labs, which I increasingly read after having a whiff of shit, AMD may be offering liquid-cooling to the top of the FX line. There's a lot of AMD guys there who are hollering about the performance of the high-end FX... if AMD needs H2O to compete with 1155, they're STRAIGHT fucked.

I am interested in a 3.0GHz 8-core (with turbo) which performs like my 2.4GHz 6-core (with turbo)... until January.

Edit: Didn't see Notty's post.

Daimon

Xbit claims Intel is considering the same thing, so this is hardly a case of AMD needing H2O to compete with 1155.

If they are in the pricerange that a boxed H2O system would cost, they might as well just include a highend aircooler. Seems like a marketing gimmick more than anything.

 

[Keysplayr]

Anything out of the ordinary, water cooling, or the need for a gimmick, does not bode well for bulldozer IMHO. Why need anything at all? I'll have a CPU and a HSF please.
If they need to entice with water cooling (does this mean vapor chamber?) what performance do you think we can expect? Or is it a problem with tremendous leakage in the new man. process causing major heat? It is indeed a mystery.

@Arg Clin: Where did Xbit say Intel was considering water cooling? I missed it. Is there possibly a link? Thanks.

 

[dma0991]

Where did Xbit say Intel was considering water cooling? I missed it. Is there possibly a link? Thanks.

Both AMD and Intel are now considering to bundle self-contained coolers with their enthusiast-class FX and Core i7 3000-series "Sandy Bridge E" (SNB-E) microprocessors in a bid to offer better user experience and allow to overclock their chips better right out of the box.
3rd paragraph

I'd say that it is more of a gimmick that they're giving a sealed watercooling that is practically about as good as a regular air cooler. If they're giving something like a Corsair H50 or a CoolIT ECO ALC it is not going to be of much use when it comes to overclocking and not comparable to custom watercooling.

The container for the high end FX is not large enough anyways to have a such a watercooling unit assuming that this is the final retail packaging. From what I've heard about AMD's stock cooler is loud so that could be a good point there. It would be more tempting if they mention having something like a Noctua NH-D14.

 

[Abwx]

In INTEGER single threaded applications , normalized at equal frequency ,
a BD core is 15% faster than a K10.5 core , while in single threaded
FP it show a dramatic 144% better performance, according to this bench,
wich is yet to be proved legit , but the numbers are relatively good if true..

Was seriously off.

IPC increase compared to an X6 , for single threaded apps.
Integer : +15%
Fp : +55%


http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench.../425710/412187

 

[Imouto]

Are you referring to OEM chips? They typically come without a HSF but they also typically come with a scant 30day warranty (versus the 3yr warranty for retail units).

In my country all hardware items have a year warranty by default. Increased if manufacturer says otherwise but never less than one year.

 

[soccerballtux]

they never said WATER cooling just LIQUID
For example, many solutions with heat pipes count as "liquid" because the liquid evaporates on top of the CPU, then condenses at the fins, and is absorbed by the wick and brought back to right above the CPU where the cycle repeats itself.

 

[Arg Clin]

Anything out of the ordinary, water cooling, or the need for a gimmick, does not bode well for bulldozer IMHO. Why need anything at all? I'll have a CPU and a HSF please.
If they need to entice with water cooling (does this mean vapor chamber?) what performance do you think we can expect? Or is it a problem with tremendous leakage in the new man. process causing major heat? It is indeed a mystery.

@Arg Clin: Where did Xbit say Intel was considering water cooling? I missed it. Is there possibly a link? Thanks.

It was in the link posted above: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cooler...ng_FX_Chips_with_Liquid_Cooling_Solution.html

3rd paragraph:

Both AMD and Intel are now considering to bundle self-contained coolers with their enthusiast-class FX and Core i7 3000-series "Sandy Bridge E" (SNB-E) microprocessors in a bid to offer better user experience and allow to overclock their chips better right out of the box.

 

[ed29a]

If they are in the pricerange that a boxed H2O system would cost, they might as well just include a highend aircooler. Seems like a marketing gimmick more than anything.

One man's marketing gimmick is another man's good idea. High end air coolers are huge, I got 140mm or so left in my case, I can't use most high end tower coolers since they are over 150mm. Self contained liquid coolers fit perfectly (Antect H620). High end horizontal coolers like the Noctua NH-C12P might block memory slots and probably won't fit on quite a few Micro ATX boards where a self contained liquid cooler will. Let's not dismiss a good idea as marketing gimmick.

 

[ieatdonuts]

Anyone else concerned that packaging liquid cooling would mean it can't manage temps at the clocks they want to market at on air?

 

[jvroig]

Anyone else concerned that packaging liquid cooling would mean it can't manage temps at the clocks they want to market at on air?

I find it extremely doubtful.

For one thing, any "liquid cooling" they could reasonably package won't be as great as the good air coolers anyway, and far from "real" liquid cooling despite the name.

For another thing, their top-end stock cooler (4-heat-pipe version, AVC), is actually pretty decent at cooling - it is just annoyingly noisy.

If their top-end, heat-piped stock cooler couldn't cut it, they would need "real" liquid cooling to improve on it significantly, not the unimpressive self-contained liquid coolers.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Anything out of the ordinary, water cooling, or the need for a gimmick, does not bode well for bulldozer IMHO. Why need anything at all? I'll have a CPU and a HSF please.
If they need to entice with water cooling (does this mean vapor chamber?) what performance do you think we can expect? Or is it a problem with tremendous leakage in the new man. process causing major heat? It is indeed a mystery.

@Arg Clin: Where did Xbit say Intel was considering water cooling? I missed it. Is there possibly a link? Thanks.

Keys I don't recall were it was writen but befor SB . That was said to be the case. I blew it off as BS.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Anyone else concerned that packaging liquid cooling would mean it can't manage temps at the clocks they want to market at on air?

Don't get trapped by this gossip. I call BS that BD needs water cooling . AMD may offer something for the highend . But it would be an offer only . Not a need.

 

[dac7nco]

they never said WATER cooling just LIQUID
For example, many solutions with heat pipes count as "liquid" because the liquid evaporates on top of the CPU, then condenses at the fins, and is absorbed by the wick and brought back to right above the CPU where the cycle repeats itself.

A good point. I didn't put much credence to XBit's "rumor" (shit made up by Anton Shilov). I've never seen Anand (or his employees) covering the left side of the screen with rumors... Carly Fiorina would've been President of the US by now.

Daimon

 

[Arg Clin]

One man's marketing gimmick is another man's good idea. High end air coolers are huge, I got 140mm or so left in my case, I can't use most high end tower coolers since they are over 150mm. Self contained liquid coolers fit perfectly (Antect H620). High end horizontal coolers like the Noctua NH-C12P might block memory slots and probably won't fit on quite a few Micro ATX boards where a self contained liquid cooler will. Let's not dismiss a good idea as marketing gimmick.

I'm not saying that liquid cooling can't make sense in some cases. I suppose my beef with the whole thing is that lately I've been forced to buy boxed processors (or tray processors at a higher price than the boxed version - go figure). How about AMD and Intel just let it up to us to decide what kind of cooling solution we want, and not force us to pay for a boxed hairdryer style cooler, which is only good as paperweight. /rant