Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[bridito]

these are the same clowns that gave us a doctored CPU-Z screen that started this whole thread. why does anyone take anything they say as having been remotely informed, if at all? i could start a website and just make shit up too.

Let's go over to the Black Hat Forum and tell them that a bunch of us "inside informed CPU guys" have the key to making a website that will get killer traffic and are willing to split the profits. Then we can start tossing around fanciful Photoshops of benchmark screenshots showing that Trinity does 1.3 Teraflops, and non-verifiable claims that Sandy Bridge E has been delayed to Christmas 2013. Why should DonairEater (!) get all the hits? There's big money in this biz! :twisted:

(Kindly note my signature, read it, memorize it, and use it as your mantra when you're reading this post.) ()

 

[Terzo]

Well just for fun I'll make my Bulldozer prediction.

First, at this point I believe it will be competitive with the 2500 and 2600. No doubt Sandy Bridge Enterprise will be superior when it comes out, but it'll be good if AMD can dance with Sandy Bridge, considering the current situation.

Second, it will come out no later than September. I'm hoping we'll see product availability by September, but I consider that being cautiously optimistic.

That...that's about it.

 

[RussianSensation]

Second, it will come out no later than September. I'm hoping we'll see product availability by September, but I consider that being cautiously optimistic.

That...that's about it.

New sources suggest Bulldozer will not arrive until October.

Most consumers in the U.S. could have purchased a brand new 2500k Sandy Bridge system as early as January 11, 2011 (or even earlier). People who have been patiently waiting for BD continue to wait and wait and wait. That CPU may or may not match an overclocked 2500k outside of video encoding and rendering (which few people use on a daily basis). Even if BD matches a 10 month old CPU from Intel, is it going to match the outstanding power consumption of an overclocked 2500/2600k?

Continued delays, unknown performance, unknown power consumption when overclocked -- that's a lot of ifs. By the time Bulldozer finally launches, most of the same people could have been happily enjoying a very fast 2500k system for almost 10 months. ^_^

 

[Vesku]

I think the biggest date that BD really shouldn't get delayed past is release of 28nm GPUs. I can't be the only one who reconsiders my whole PC at a major GPU launch.

 

[notty22]

Picked this up from another forum.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...vsky.blogspot.com/2011/07/you-were-punkd.html

 

[RussianSensation]

I think the biggest date that BD really shouldn't get delayed past is release of 28nm GPUs. I can't be the only one who reconsiders my whole PC at a major GPU launch.

You buy a brand new CPU platform at every major GPU launch? You are for sure in the minority. There hasn't been anything faster than a Core i7 920/930 from 2008 that required a CPU upgrade for games. So why would you need to upgrade your CPU every major GPU launch?

 

[Vesku]

This OBR blog has ensured any real leaks closer to launch will be pointless. Why risk breaking a NDA when you'll just appear to be aping that obnoxious person/group? Just claim credit for all rumors and attempt to make some traffic driven ad money.

 

[Vesku]

You buy a brand new CPU platform at every major GPU launch? You are for sure in the minority. There hasn't been anything faster than a Core i7 920/930 from 2008 that required a CPU upgrade for games. So why would you need to upgrade your CPU every major GPU launch?

No, I buy a new CPU around the time I decide GPUs have advanced enough to justify a near launch purchase. I'll be going from a 5830 to 28nm. Plenty of people running 48x0, 58x0 Radeons and 260+ GeForces that will cave to the 28nm cards, I bet. Just hope they continue the trend of having a good mid-range card available at launch. That and that BD is actually out by then so that price competition will be in full swing.

 

[Terzo]

New sources suggest Bulldozer will not arrive until October.

Most consumers in the U.S. could have purchased a brand new 2500k Sandy Bridge system as early as January 11, 2011 (or even earlier). People who have been patiently waiting for BD continue to wait and wait and wait. That CPU may or may not match an overclocked 2500k outside of video encoding and rendering (which few people use on a daily basis). Even if BD matches a 10 month old CPU from Intel, is it going to match the outstanding power consumption of an overclocked 2500/2600k?

Continued delays, unknown performance, unknown power consumption when overclocked -- that's a lot of ifs. By the time Bulldozer finally launches, most of the same people could have been happily enjoying a very fast 2500k system for almost 10 months. ^_^

Nordic hardware is merely citing Donanimhaber, which has already been mentioned here. As I said earlier I'll wait until the 16th before deciding if the newest delay rumors are true or not.

And yeah, there's no question Sandy Bridge is great. I think the general consensus is and was (at release) you can't go wrong with SB. As for matching power consumption, I think Intel generally does best at that, though the 32 nm process and HKMG might help close the gap...only for Ivy Bridge to widen it again with 22nm and tri-gate transistors.

But all I'm saying is that I will be happy to see AMD compete with Sandy Bridge, even if it's 10 months later and draws more juice. I'm no CPU guru but hasn't AMD been competing by price alone ever since core 2?

 

[guskline]

New sources suggest Bulldozer will not arrive until October.

Most consumers in the U.S. could have purchased a brand new 2500k Sandy Bridge system as early as January 11, 2011 (or even earlier). People who have been patiently waiting for BD continue to wait and wait and wait. That CPU may or may not match an overclocked 2500k outside of video encoding and rendering (which few people use on a daily basis). Even if BD matches a 10 month old CPU from Intel, is it going to match the outstanding power consumption of an overclocked 2500/2600k?

Continued delays, unknown performance, unknown power consumption when overclocked -- that's a lot of ifs. By the time Bulldozer finally launches, most of the same people could have been happily enjoying a very fast 2500k system for almost 10 months. ^_^

RussianSensation: 3 weeks ago I came to the same conclusion and built rig 1 below after MANY years of AMD loyalty. This Sandy Bridge 2500k is a beast. Booted into windows at 4800 but I've kept it clocked at 4400. The power is incredible.

 

[bridito]

New sources suggest Bulldozer will not arrive until October.

Most consumers in the U.S. could have purchased a brand new 2500k Sandy Bridge system as early as January 11, 2011 (or even earlier). People who have been patiently waiting for BD continue to wait and wait and wait. That CPU may or may not match an overclocked 2500k outside of video encoding and rendering (which few people use on a daily basis). Even if BD matches a 10 month old CPU from Intel, is it going to match the outstanding power consumption of an overclocked 2500/2600k?

Continued delays, unknown performance, unknown power consumption when overclocked -- that's a lot of ifs. By the time Bulldozer finally launches, most of the same people could have been happily enjoying a very fast 2500k system for almost 10 months. ^_^

I'm with you, Russ. Although the likelihood still exists that BD is a total monster and will blow 2600K out of the water as many AMD enthusiasts have been vociferously anticipating for years now, the most likely scenario is that it will be somewhat competitive and about a year behind the times. Big deal. Next.

BTW, am I correct in the assumption that the BD in Dallas will just be running a game demo, and not be available for any benching or indy tests? What can aspects of a CPU's fine grain of performance can be gained by a game demo? Is this just another waste of time?

 

[Vesku]

Well, Kyle's tone on the Zambezi demo system has changed to just games+marketing people. Considering they'll probably have a 6990 or similar jammed in it, doubt we'll learn much other than if it can go the whole event without crashing. Ugh

 

[bridito]

Well, Kyle's tone on the Zambezi demo system has changed to just games+marketing people. Considering they'll probably have a 6990 or similar jammed in it, doubt we'll learn much other than if it can go the whole event without crashing. Ugh

Great. We can look forward to more BD nonbenchmark noninformation. This is really getting silly.

 

[JoJoman88]

Just to point out, AMD has delayed BD to move to B2 stepping. This is because a bug was found or it could not match 2500K or 2600K. How much can be gained in stepping must be worthwhile for AMD to delay and do it. I hope they at least come close to matching 2500K or 2600K so we can get some movement on CPU prices.

 

[Allio]

Seriously, guys? AMD (a company 1/25th Intel's size, let's not forget) develops a brand new, completely novel architecture that looks to perform a whopping 50% percent better than its previous generation, and all you can do is yawn? Nitpick about how AMD is "technically" using eight cores when Intel is "technically" using four, even though from a hardware perspective there's barely a difference and in terms of end-user benefit it's completely irrelevant? What do you even want? What exactly would it take to impress you? Why don't you guys that are just so unbelievably happy with your Sandy Bridges go and do something productive with them instead of refreshing this thread over and over to smugly tell us how great they are? I suggest running a Monte Carlo simulation in Excel, or perhaps playing Quake II in 640x480 at 7000 fps. Your systems are four months old, did you really want something to come out that would obsolete them overnight?

This thread is full of people needlessly shitting all over Bulldozer for not being something that it was realistically never going to be, and doesn't need to be anyway. Of course it was never going to dethrone Intel on IPC or IPW. There's still plenty of reason to be excited about this launch. Can't you drop the fanboy crap for just a moment and get a little excited that it looks like AMD has managed to pull off this brand new approach of decoupling the number of integer cores from floating point cores? Come on, that's completely awesome! It's an advance for personal computing! I'm no Intel fan but I still get excited about their crazy developments like HKMG and tri-gate 22nm...

Ok rant over. And of course this is all contingent on those benchmarks actually being worth a damn, of which of course there's a good chance they're not. But there's not a lot else to go on at this point...

 

[Troll Trolling]

Seriously, guys? AMD (a company 1/25th Intel's size, let's not forget) develops a brand new, completely novel architecture that looks to perform a whopping 50% percent better than its previous generation, and all you can do is yawn? Nitpick about how AMD is "technically" using eight cores when Intel is "technically" using four, even though from a hardware perspective there's barely a difference and in terms of end-user benefit it's completely irrelevant? What do you even want? What exactly would it take to impress you? Why don't you guys that are just so unbelievably happy with your Sandy Bridges go and do something productive with them instead of refreshing this thread over and over to smugly tell us how great they are? I suggest running a Monte Carlo simulation in Excel, or perhaps playing Quake II in 640x480 at 7000 fps. Your systems are four months old, did you really want something to come out that would obsolete them overnight?

This thread is full of people needlessly shitting all over Bulldozer for not being something that it was realistically never going to be, and doesn't need to be anyway. Of course it was never going to dethrone Intel on IPC or IPW. There's still plenty of reason to be excited about this launch. Can't you drop the fanboy crap for just a moment and get a little excited that it looks like AMD has managed to pull off this brand new approach of decoupling the number of integer cores from floating point cores? Come on, that's completely awesome! It's an advance for personal computing! I'm no Intel fan but I still get excited about their crazy developments like HKMG and tri-gate 22nm...

Ok rant over. And of course this is all contingent on those benchmarks actually being worth a damn, of which of course there's a good chance they're not. But there's not a lot else to go on at this point...

Fanboyism or GTFO.

Logical opinions can't and won't be tolerated in my thread.

 

[Vesku]

I do find it amusing that people that rave about HT will choose the "who needs more cores?" talk when it comes to Bulldozer. But I think the biggest criticism is how LATE it is even for a new design. I think it is better they delay than repeat a Phenom I situation, but the longer it takes to be released the closer it comes to competing with a different iteration of Intel processors. The longer it's delayed the better it will have to perform to justify it's pricing (these aren't going to sell at Llano price points).

 

[piesquared]

Seriously, guys? AMD (a company 1/25th Intel's size, let's not forget) develops a brand new, completely novel architecture that looks to perform a whopping 50% percent better than its previous generation, and all you can do is yawn? Nitpick about how AMD is "technically" using eight cores when Intel is "technically" using four, even though from a hardware perspective there's barely a difference and in terms of end-user benefit it's completely irrelevant? What do you even want? What exactly would it take to impress you? Why don't you guys that are just so unbelievably happy with your Sandy Bridges go and do something productive with them instead of refreshing this thread over and over to smugly tell us how great they are? I suggest running a Monte Carlo simulation in Excel, or perhaps playing Quake II in 640x480 at 7000 fps. Your systems are four months old, did you really want something to come out that would obsolete them overnight?

This thread is full of people needlessly shitting all over Bulldozer for not being something that it was realistically never going to be, and doesn't need to be anyway. Of course it was never going to dethrone Intel on IPC or IPW. There's still plenty of reason to be excited about this launch. Can't you drop the fanboy crap for just a moment and get a little excited that it looks like AMD has managed to pull off this brand new approach of decoupling the number of integer cores from floating point cores? Come on, that's completely awesome! It's an advance for personal computing! I'm no Intel fan but I still get excited about their crazy developments like HKMG and tri-gate 22nm...

Ok rant over. And of course this is all contingent on those benchmarks actually being worth a damn, of which of course there's a good chance they're not. But there's not a lot else to go on at this point...

Consider a lot of this crap is about how Bulldozer will affect their long intel/short AMD positions.

 

[videoclone]

My money is on the company that scores the most OEM deals... us techies dont effect AMD or Intel all that much!

IE: intel bribing Dell, HP, Others to only stock and sell intel chips otherwise face product shortages, increased chip costs or blacklisting...

How do you think Intel got so large! .. they did business just like any wallstreet banker. the illegal way !

And how did that work out for EVERYONE on earth ... think twice befor you support ( Greed, blackmailing and extortion ) "Intel" If you dont buy from us we will force you too.

 

[Blackops_2]

I consider the benchmarks while not confirmed to be at least near at the level BD should be performing. I just can't see AMD investing this much time, money, etc. and rolling out another phenom. That being said i do plan on picking up bulldozer as long as it is near or better than sandy bridge. I already have a 990fx board due to me buying a 955 that wasn't compatible in my old AM2 mobo, long story short i'm setup for BD and expect enough performance gain from it that i can't justify spending the money for Ivy Bridge in 2012. I know i'm late to the discussion but if these benchmarks are true. That a FX8xxx at 3.2 outperforms a 2600k @ 3.4 and supposedly right now the ES samples are having cache issues.. it seems to be a winner in my book. I don't expect AMD to reclaim the performance crown, i expect them to be competitive again, and these "leaked" benches suggest just that.

 

[bridito]

I consider the benchmarks while not confirmed to be at least near at the level BD should be performing. I just can't see AMD investing this much time, money, etc. and rolling out another phenom. That being said i do plan on picking up bulldozer as long as it is near or better than sandy bridge. I already have a 990fx board due to me buying a 955 that wasn't compatible in my old AM2 mobo, long story short i'm setup for BD and expect enough performance gain from it that i can't justify spending the money for Ivy Bridge in 2012. I know i'm late to the discussion but if these benchmarks are true. That a FX8xxx at 3.2 outperforms a 2600k @ 3.4 and supposedly right now the ES samples are having cache issues.. it seems to be a winner in my book. I don't expect AMD to reclaim the performance crown, i expect them to be competitive again, and these "leaked" benches suggest just that.

So in other words it's supposed to be a victory to be able to shout "We're number two! We're number two!" Speaking just for me, me and me, either BD trumps 2600K and stuffs its face in the dirt, or it's just another forgettable also ran wannabe. Boring!

 

[notty22]

My money is on the company that scores the most OEM deals... us techies dont effect AMD or Intel all that much!

IE: intel bribing Dell, HP, Others to only stock and sell intel chips otherwise face product shortages, increased chip costs or blacklisting...

How do you think Intel got so large! .. they did business just like any wallstreet banker. the illegal way !

And how did that work out for EVERYONE on earth ... think twice befor you support ( Greed, blackmailing and extortion ) "Intel" If you dont buy from us we will force you too.

Do a little research and you will find greedy AMD'ers , some profiting on the company floundering. Dell, AMD Executives Charged With Insider Trading

 

[Blackops_2]

Not if you look at it that way i guess it isn't. But comparing to where they've been with phenom II and the ground they hopefully make up with BD, i consider it a win. Of course this is IMO. I'm not saying i wouldn't like them to reclaim the performance crown, that would be absolutely great if they did. And yes it would be boring so hopefully bulldozer blows my expectations out of the water.

 

[piesquared]

Do a little research and you will find greedy AMD'ers , some profiting on the company floundering. Dell, AMD Executives Charged With Insider Trading

Do a little more research, and you will also find executives from intel's investor arm also charged and convicted of insider trading.

 

[notty22]

Do a little more research, and you will also find executives from intel's investor arm also charged and convicted of insider trading.

I don't have to, I know what all the whining and posturing is about.
Whoes AMD, they might as well register as a charity.