Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[jones377]

FMA3, that is good. Though I wish Intel would implement FMA4 instead as they originally planned. No mention of AVX2 though, maybe that's for the 3rd gen BD?

 

[Tuna-Fish]

No mention of AVX2 though, maybe that's for the 3rd gen BD?

AVX2 has gather. This is very good from a programmer's standpoint, but it requires major changes into several areas of the chip. Implementing it will take a while. (In comparison, FMA3 is really just a few new options in the decoder that output the same ops as FMA4 does.)

 

[Despoiler]

Asus dropped new BIOS to support Bulldozer processors for their Crosshair IV boards.

 

[Phynaz]

Found this at hardware.fr , yet another slide faked by donanimhaber...

Some interessant hints on it , though...

Fixed that for you!

 

[podspi]

Yes, no dates and the graphics look ... strange at best. Will be great if PD brings another 10% increase (over whatever BD brings) in IPC though

 

[Stoneburner]

After reading every post in here, in great detail, I have concluded that Bulldozer is an impressive piece of shit that may not do nothing poorly or may do something robustly.

 

[Despoiler]

After reading every post in here, in great detail, I have concluded that Bulldozer is an impressive piece of shit that may not do nothing poorly or may do something robustly.

Your TL;DR skills are impressive.

 

[Abwx]

Fixed that for you!

Trolling as a raison d etre ?...

 

[Despoiler]

October 12 at 12pm ET is when the NDA supposedly drops.

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/24314-bulldozer-fx-to-launch-october-12-1800-cet

 

[jvroig]

October 12 at 12pm ET is when the NDA supposedly drops.

If I recall correctly:
-first it was June 2011
-then it was delayed to August
-then it supposedly became Sept (18? 26?)
-Now it is supposedly Oct 12.

Cool. I'll be the one to start the next rumor if this doesn't push through. Nov 11 (11-11-11, to coincide with Skyrim, then the rumor can also speculate on a cross-promotion: Skyrim plays best on Zambezi!) sounds good to me, I'll drop a line to fud when Oct 12 comes and goes. I'll email him with a subject "AMD Insider Tip: Skyrim Bulldozes the Competition".

Having said that, I actually have a 990FXA-GD80 AM3+ board. I don't really have intentions of keeping it for Bulldozer, as I am currently deciding on getting a P67 Sabertooth or Maximus IV Gene-Z for a 2600K build (I already have the RAM, PSU, and cooler for it). If Bulldozer launches before I finish making up my mind, and it is competitive enough, I may just get a Zambezi and call it an upgrade.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

If I recall correctly:
-first it was June 2011
-then it was delayed to August
-then it supposedly became Sept (18? 26?)
-Now it is supposedly Oct 12.

Cool. I'll be the one to start the next rumor if this doesn't push through. Nov 11 (11-11-11, to coincide with Skyrim, then the rumor can also speculate on a cross-promotion: Skyrim plays best on Zambezi!) sounds good to me, I'll drop a line to fud when Oct 12 comes and goes. I'll email him with a subject "AMD Insider Tip: Skyrim Bulldozes the Competition".

Having said that, I actually have a 990FXA-GD80 AM3+ board. I don't really have intentions of keeping it for Bulldozer, as I am currently deciding on getting a P67 Sabertooth or Maximus IV Gene-Z for a 2600K build (I already have the RAM, PSU, and cooler for it). If Bulldozer launches before I finish making up my mind, and it is competitive enough, I may just get a Zambezi and call it an upgrade.

For gaming? For that Bulldozer will be slower than Sandy Bridge. Everyone should know that by now. If you have lots of multi-threaded workloads then it's worth it to wait.

 

[jvroig]

Not gaming, but even if it was for gaming, the scenario I mentioned clearly dismisses the need for your opinion:

If Bulldozer launches before I finish making up my mind, and it is competitive enough

So not really interested in hearing your opinion about it Zambezi vs SB, and there was clearly no need for it, since my statement was already crystal clear, but just in case, it is broken down as such:
1.) Not waiting for Bulldozer at all, but
2.) if it arrives BEFORE I get a Sandy Bridge rig, and
3.) if REVIEWS find that it is competitive enough,
4.) THEN of course I can just settle on a Zambezi upgrade since it's already there.

Given how clear my original statement already was, I am left wondering what prompted you to make an unnecessary post.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Not gaming, but even if it was for gaming, the scenario I mentioned clearly dismisses the need for your opinion:


So not really interested in hearing your opinion about it Zambezi vs SB, and there was clearly no need for it, since my statement was already crystal clear, but just in case, it is broken down as such:
1.) Not waiting for Bulldozer at all, but
2.) if it arrives BEFORE I get a Sandy Bridge rig, and
3.) if REVIEWS find that it is competitive enough,
4.) THEN of course I can just settle on a Zambezi upgrade since it's already there.

Given how clear my original statement already was, I am left wondering what prompted you to make an unnecessary post.

Wow, WAY to be rude. Also, what's the point of buying a motherboard for a CPU that isn't being sold yet? According to most sources, it should be here in around a week, though.

What's unnecessary is your rude posting.

 

[nemesismk2]

is it known yet if Bulldozer is definately only for am3+ or might some work with am3 with a new bios?

 

[jvroig]

Wow, WAY to be rude. Also, what's the point of buying a motherboard for a CPU that isn't being sold yet? According to most sources, it should be here in around a week, though.

I'm sorry, this is the internet, perhaps the tone did not come across well on that one. If it helps, as I was typing, I was channeling an Englishman with a pipe stating "dear chap, I am mystified by this response". After all, when I already clearly stated as I explained in my earlier post, the last thing I would expect was a response that was almost a rebuke with "everyone should know this already" since I already pretty much covered all that already.

To answer your specific question, I asked our corporate supplier their highest-end AM3 board (for my Thuban) in stock. They told me the GD-80. I got it for myself (a personal purchase, not an office one). That it was also AM3+ and black socket and all was of no interest to me at the time of purchase - the only thing that mattered was it was their highest-end AM3 board.

Since deciding on a Sandy Bridge setup, the plan was to let someone inherit the Thuban rig for that person's animation and rendering hobby when I get my rig together. I move very slowly, though, and I am in no hurry to replace a Thuban running at 4GHz core / 2.6GHz uncore on reasonable voltages (even IBT only pushes it to <1.55Vcore, and tops out at 60C with the Frio OCK only at 65&#37; and still reasonably quiet).

As for what I mainly do in my rig, link to thread where I stated the workloads when I asked for advice between the Sabertooth and Gene-Z.

Gaming is a concern, too, but a secondary one, and I've never found it to be a deciding factor when buying new hardware other than a videocard, of course.

 

[Despoiler]

is it known yet if Bulldozer is definately only for am3+ or might some work with am3 with a new bios?

It will work with a new BIOS. I posted yesterday that Asus released a BIOS update for their Crosshair IV boards to support Bulldozer chips.

 

[jvroig]

is it known yet if Bulldozer is definately only for am3+ or might some work with am3 with a new bios?

The only official (from AMD) support is for AM3+. However, some mobo makers have taken it up on themselves to provide their customers AM3 (not AM3+) support for a select few models they offer.

So the only way to know if your AM3 board will support BD chips is to ask your manufacturer or look at their website for news / updates on their mobo sections.

 

[formulav8]

I do believe the release is soon. A comment from Anand on 32nm yield issues pipeline post he made some days ago to someone kinda made it sound like he already had hw or was definitely getting it soon. When a person said: so is bd being delayed again?; Anand said no with a smilie. At least thats the way I took it...

 

[jvroig]

I just took a look at that Pipeline post and comment you referred to.

You are right :thumbsup: I agree with your interpretation of his answer.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I'm sorry, this is the internet, perhaps the tone did not come across well on that one. If it helps, as I was typing, I was channeling an Englishman with a pipe stating "dear chap, I am mystified by this response". After all, when I already clearly stated as I explained in my earlier post, the last thing I would expect was a response that was almost a rebuke with "everyone should know this already" since I already pretty much covered all that already.

To answer your specific question, I asked our corporate supplier their highest-end AM3 board (for my Thuban) in stock. They told me the GD-80. I got it for myself (a personal purchase, not an office one). That it was also AM3+ and black socket and all was of no interest to me at the time of purchase - the only thing that mattered was it was their highest-end AM3 board.

Since deciding on a Sandy Bridge setup, the plan was to let someone inherit the Thuban rig for that person's animation and rendering hobby when I get my rig together. I move very slowly, though, and I am in no hurry to replace a Thuban running at 4GHz core / 2.6GHz uncore on reasonable voltages (even IBT only pushes it to <1.55Vcore, and tops out at 60C with the Frio OCK only at 65% and still reasonably quiet).

As for what I mainly do in my rig, link to thread where I stated the workloads when I asked for advice between the Sabertooth and Gene-Z.

Gaming is a concern, too, but a secondary one, and I've never found it to be a deciding factor when buying new hardware other than a videocard, of course.

That happens to me sometimes, too. No harm done.

Most of those workloads you list in your other thread appear to be multi-threaded. If that's the case, and you have one week to spare, I think Bulldozer will be worth it to look into, especially the FX-8120. It should only be $205-220.

BTW, are you sure about running 1.51-1.55V through a Phenom II X6? I'd be pretty worried about high degradation, and 60C is a bit high.

For gaming, as I said earlier: Sandy Bridge will be better.

 

[jvroig]

BTW, are you sure about running 1.51-1.55V through a Phenom II X6? I'd be pretty worried about high degradation, and 60C is a bit high.

I don't run it at 1.55V The voltage and temp I quoted is peak at IBT. Normal usage is far from what IBT will result in.

Normal usage has the vcore bouncing from a 1.45 to <1.5V, mostly closer to 1.45V. And temps are closer to the 40-50 range.

I am concerned about degradation to some degree, however. During non-heavy-work duties such as now that I am not crunching data and profiling servers, my Thuban is actually running at only 1.325vcore, only 3 cores enabled, with a still speedy 3.8GHz core / 2.6GHz uncore setting, and temps that sit at <45C even when fully loaded. With it undervolted like this and temps in the low 40's, this chip will probably last me 5 years at least But it will have to go long before that.

 

[nemesismk2]

The only official (from AMD) support is for AM3+. However, some mobo makers have taken it up on themselves to provide their customers AM3 (not AM3+) support for a select few models they offer.

So the only way to know if your AM3 board will support BD chips is to ask your manufacturer or look at their website for news / updates on their mobo sections.

thanks for the info

 

[nemesismk2]

It will work with a new BIOS. I posted yesterday that Asus released a BIOS update for their Crosshair IV boards to support Bulldozer chips.

thanks for the info

 

[frostedflakes]

Was browsing /g/ and came by some interesting pics, looks like somebody broke NDA. Seems to lend credence to the leaked slides, here's a Cinebench slide that was posted without the donanimhaber watermark and the embargo date at the bottom cropped out. Also some pics of the reviewer bundle, Bulldozer CPU (8150 presumably), ASUS Crosshair V Formula mobo, and Scorpius belt buckle (?). Enjoy. Seems official release is very soon, only 8 more days guys.

 

[utahraptor]

Was browsing /g/ and came by some interesting pics, looks like somebody broke NDA. Seems to lend credence to the leaked slides, here's a Cinebench slide that was posted without the donanimhaber watermark and the embargo date at the bottom cropped out. Also some pics of the reviewer bundle, Bulldozer CPU (8150 presumably), ASUS Crosshair V Formula mobo, and Scorpius belt buckle (?). Enjoy. Seems official release is very soon, only 8 more days guys.

What is that in the box, an AMD belt buckle?