Fudzilla: Bulldozer performance figures are in

[JimKiler]

Zoom forward a decade and you see convergence devices like camera's in the smartphone resulting in the same thing happening to digital camera market. Yes the optical path of a smartphone camera sucks ass compared to the quality of the optics in a Canon or Nikon digital camera, but users, millions of them, are willing to "settle" for that lack of quality just for the convenience of not having to pack around a second camera.
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Or a Pentax DSLR. Since Pentax is the AMD of DSLR cameras but unlike AMD the Pentax K-5 is on time and neck and neck with Nikon and Canon.

 

[radaja]

From AMD's Comic,maybe a hidden release date?

and possible clockspeed?3600Mhz?

 

[notty22]

Is that picture showing a date ? ember 19th ?
Sept ember
Nov ember
Dec ember

 

[nonameo]

Is that picture showing a date ? ember 19th ?
Sept ember
Nov ember
Dec ember

its a monday for dec and sept.

 

[happinessism]

i guess this is an issue with most thuban family amd cores, and probably will be an issue with the upcoming bulldozers, but most games use at max 4 cores, even though overall clock will be higher before turbo, will it make any difference from a gaming perspective?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Who in their right mind at AMD would elect to stand idly by and let Nvidia have all the cake they can eat in the ARM market?

Would this statement also be true?

Who in their right mind at Intel would elect to stand idly by and let Nvidia have all the cake they can eat in the ARM market?

 

[cantholdanymore]

"AMD Six-Core" posted today:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

 

[AnandThenMan]

What does that link have to do with Bulldozer?

 

[kdubbs]

"AMD Six-Core" posted today:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

Holy crap! Core i7 875 performance for $6?!!? I'll take two!



:sneaky:

 

[bryanW1995]

What is in that box is the stepping that they were afraid to release.

I guess they gotta keep the investors happy by showing off a box...

Apparently they stole a page from JHH and just put it in a cardboard box...

 

[bryanW1995]

Or a Pentax DSLR. Since Pentax is the AMD of DSLR cameras but unlike AMD the Pentax K-5 is on time and neck and neck with Nikon and Canon.

I don't know much about nikon, but the k5 is at best even with the canon 60d but costs $500 more. That's like AMD charging $800 for the top end BD even though it is only, at best, even with 2600k.

 

[Davidh373]

Well I haven't been here for this entire party, but I agree with Nemesis 1. I think his horrible spelling and grammar make him hard to understand.

Basically what he is saying is you are comparing a high end AMD product (Bulldozer) as beating but being fairly close to Intel's 3 year old enthusiast platform (9xx series), and that it is slightly faster than Intel's current best but planned midrange CPU (Sandy Bridge). When Ivy Bridge comes out (22nm Sandy Bridge Shrink and 6-8 Core Revision), followed by Haswell (The New Enthusiast Platform to replace the 9xx) it will tromp Bulldozer and AMD will be even further behind than they are now. They were way behind Intel in a 34nm shrink. Now they are going to be just as behind in a 22nm shrink, if not father behind.

I remember the old rumors on here about Bulldozer. First 'they' said it would compete with Intel's high end, which probably meant Ivy Bridge. These numbers in no way lead me to believe this will happen. Second, 'they' said it would tromp Sandy Bridge. Given the numbers, they got somewhat close to that goal, and it only took them an extra six months (lol). Now what the rumors are saying is it 'competes well' at an expected $50 more than Intel's current best, which is planned to become the midrange by the holiday when Ivy Bridge likely drops? From what you are saying it looks like AMD can't compete anymore without a die shrink, and let's just hope they have been working on that one in secret, because otherwise they are behind yet again.

Another thing that leads me to believe Intel will have the edge is their capacity for overclocking. Sandy Bridge currently hits a 1GHz+ OC on air, so theoretically they could simply release an "extreme" version of their i7 2600K processor, putting it up over 4GHz, pricing it competitively at the $350 mark and BOOM, AMD has to race to OC theirs and put it out. Then Ivy Bridge drops and there again, AMD is racing to catch up. Then Haswell comes out late next year to early 2013 and they are racing to catch up again. I don't see AMD holding any threat over Intel, and I don't see them holding the market for over 6 months. That's assuming Intel will get delayed in releasing Ivy Bridge, which they likely wont.

 

[allies]

I don't know much about nikon, but the k5 is at best even with the canon 60d but costs $500 more. That's like AMD charging $800 for the top end BD even though it is only, at best, even with 2600k.

What are you talking about? K5 competes with the 7D. Similarly, prices will follow performance when BD releases.

 

[Ryun]

its a monday for dec and sept.

I'd put my money on September. The original Athlon FX chip was released on September 23rd, 2003 according to this Wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_64_microprocessors#Athlon_64_FX

8 years ago. 8 times the cores. Marketing would love to take advantage of something like that.

 

[Vesku]

August 8th would be a better release date, 8 cores unleashed on 8/8 and would help me forgive them for the lame comic they released to try to resurrect some of the AMD Enthusiasts' enthusiasm.

 

[podspi]

August 8th would be a better release date, 8 cores unleashed on 8/8 and would help me forgive them for the lame comic they released to try to resurrect some of the AMD Enthusiasts' enthusiasm.

Actually, I think that would fit in perfectly with the lame comic...

 

[Idontcare]

Would this statement also be true?

Who in their right mind at Intel would elect to stand idly by and let Nvidia have all the cake they can eat in the ARM market?

Intel is screwed because they can't go after any market TAM that is sub-60% gross-margin territory.

My point about AMD is that Nvidia is bolting their core competency (advanced GPU stuff) onto ARM cores and selling them to a market that clearly wants to buy them.

I don't see how or why AMD could not just as easily do the same given that they already have the only other competitive GPU architecture on the planet and ARM is a commodity you can license and just bolt your GPU to (if you want to do no more, of course you can do more as TI does with OMAP and so on).

Intel is in a more precarious situation as they don't have a competitive GPU architecture to bolt onto an ARM to compete for tablet sockets against Nvidia (or possibly AMD).

I wasn't trying to make any deeper a connection than that.

 

[zebrax2]

Maybe AMD have some sort of agreement when they sold their mobile division that they can't enter the market within x years?

 

[sandorski]

Intel is screwed because they can't go after any market TAM that is sub-60% gross-margin territory.

My point about AMD is that Nvidia is bolting their core competency (advanced GPU stuff) onto ARM cores and selling them to a market that clearly wants to buy them.

I don't see how or why AMD could not just as easily do the same given that they already have the only other competitive GPU architecture on the planet and ARM is a commodity you can license and just bolt your GPU to (if you want to do no more, of course you can do more as TI does with OMAP and so on).

Intel is in a more precarious situation as they don't have a competitive GPU architecture to bolt onto an ARM to compete for tablet sockets against Nvidia (or possibly AMD).

I wasn't trying to make any deeper a connection than that.

Given recent AMD/ARM discussions, I suspect that deep in AMD's secret lair, that there's a group working on something.

Disclaimer: I'm an AMD fan through and through, but only because Intel/Nvidia steal candy from babies and run over puppies.

With that out of the way, let me explain why AMD is on the right track and has been for many years now. Single Core is dead. It no longer matters what the IPC of what a Core is, it has virtually met its' limits and going forward Multi-Core is where the true Performance lies. Not only is that the case, but the traditional CPU is nearing its' end as well, it too has reached the limits of its' usefulness. Nvidia is doing it with ARM, Intel and AMD are doing it with x86, and within a few years it is very doubtful that we will be buying anything that isn't an APU(I'll be using "APU" for all CPU/GPU hybrids). On the x86 side, AMD is clearly ahead of the curve with its' APU, whether they stay ahead of Intel or not is another question, but AMD is certainly off to a better start.

So far that has resulted in some pretty good Sales for AMD, but only time will tell how it ultimately plays out for them. It's also unknown just how fast Software Developers take advantage of these new features, once they do though, I suspect the true advantages of such devices will prove the APU as a vastly superior design. The current discussion reminds me a lot of what was being discussed when AMD released their first X2 CPU's years ago. Even those poo-pooing the idea then would not even consider buying a Single Core system today for their main Gaming/Intense Performance PC, hell, they wouldn't even buy a dual Core(unless it could be unlocked to 4) system anymore. Once again the Processor is in transition and like last time we'll all look back to this time and wonder why there was resistance or even doubt about it.

Oops, Blogpost of my Educated(see sig) opinion that may or may not be On Topic in whole or in part. The future really is fusion though, whether that is AMDs' Fusion or not is all that remains to be seen.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I wasn't trying to make any deeper a connection than that.

I wasn't really looking for one either. It's just not like Intel to sit around and let a large processor market segment go unanswered. At some point, Intel is going to have to get serious about graphics instead of fielding a barely acceptable solution.

I agree about AMD, they are missing a big opportunity to compete in the ultra mobile space, really bad management IMO that AMD has nothing to counter Nvidia here. Sad part is they sold off IP that would have been a nice fit.

 

[AnandThenMan]

So far that has resulted in some pretty good Sales for AMD, but only time will tell how it ultimately plays out for them. It's also unknown just how fast Software Developers take advantage of these new features, once they do though, I suspect the true advantages of such devices will prove the APU as a vastly superior design.

I agree with what you're saying, but the problem I see is the pace at which the appropriate software will be developed. AMD's approach is "built it and they will come". That's fine, yes they will. But by the time the software reaches a mature and propagated state, their competitors could have as good or better competing products, nullifying their early lead. I honestly believe that AMD has to take a very active role in the creation of software, or at the least in assisting developers with hardware and teams of experts. They need to push the software into the market, not just the hardware.

Two or three high profile, APU optimized applications would do absolute wonders for AMD's image and sales, and it would speed adoption of the hardware in general.

 

[Sp12]

I don't know much about nikon, but the k5 is at best even with the canon 60d but costs $500 more. That's like AMD charging $800 for the top end BD even though it is only, at best, even with 2600k.

? K-5 is a competitor for the 7D and D7000, though admittedly it's better than the 7D by a significant margin. Not 100% sure where this analogy ends as Pentax is incredibly innovative with a long history of success and AMD.... doesn't appear to be that way.

 

[Idontcare]

I wasn't really looking for one either. It's just not like Intel to sit around and let a large processor market segment go unanswered. At some point, Intel is going to have to get serious about graphics instead of fielding a barely acceptable solution.

I agree about AMD, they are missing a big opportunity to compete in the ultra mobile space, really bad management IMO that AMD has nothing to counter Nvidia here. Sad part is they sold off IP that would have been a nice fit.

Yeah I agree on all counts.

 

[Idontcare]

I agree with what you're saying, but the problem I see is the pace at which the appropriate software will be developed. AMD's approach is "built it and they will come". That's fine, yes they will. But by the time the software reaches a mature and propagated state, their competitors could have as good or better competing products, nullifying their early lead. I honestly believe that AMD has to take a very active role in the creation of software, or at the least in assisting developers with hardware and teams of experts. They need to push the software into the market, not just the hardware.

Two or three high profile, APU optimized applications would do absolute wonders for AMD's image and sales, and it would speed adoption of the hardware in general.

They need to capture the genius that was/is Apple's iPhone App store.

Enabling scores of at-home freelance programmers and entrepreneurs easy access to a publisher/subscriber network model.

If they sit around waiting for the likes of Adobe and MS to get off their duff and roll out leading-edge OpenCL apps then they will be screwed like 3DNow! all over again.

They need to smartly manage this ecosystem no less than Apple did theirs IMO.

 

[sandorski]

I agree with what you're saying, but the problem I see is the pace at which the appropriate software will be developed. AMD's approach is "built it and they will come". That's fine, yes they will. But by the time the software reaches a mature and propagated state, their competitors could have as good or better competing products, nullifying their early lead. I honestly believe that AMD has to take a very active role in the creation of software, or at the least in assisting developers with hardware and teams of experts. They need to push the software into the market, not just the hardware.

Two or three high profile, APU optimized applications would do absolute wonders for AMD's image and sales, and it would speed adoption of the hardware in general.

That has always been AMD's Catch 22. They can take a Technical advantage over Intel quite regularly, but the sheer size difference between the 2 always limits AMD to small Marketshare gains. Regardless, AMD needs to keep doing it to survive and the possibility always exists that one of these times it will produce very significant results.

As for the Software, they did that back in the k6-2 days, with Quake 2/3DNow. They had some success with that, certainly made the k6-2 punch way above its' Class back then in Quake 2, but ultimately I don't think it panned out much. As far as they should go would be developing an SDK/Compiler software suite that can help optimize Software Developers ability to adapt to the APU. Targeting specific existing Software for special Optimizing looks good on paper, but I think you need a more generalized improvement to really attract the Masses.