Fuad admits Charlie was right about Fermi...

[Arkaign]

While I do think FakeNews is fundamentally different from the rest I also think his principal point was that anyone with just average intellect can filter it and also that presumably will never try to form his opinion from a single source, be it FakeNews or PBS or MSNBC.

Thank you. That is precisely true. Although I personally have distaste for Charlie's methods (I would feel EXACTLY the same if he were the same incredibly slanted self, but blasting AMD/ATI instead), there may be moments where there is some perspective and information that is relevant or interesting. Ditto with Fox news, the vast majority of the garbage that they spew out is terrible, but every once in a long while, someone says something honest or interesting on there. You just have to take both with a giant grain of salt, and use your common sense and other sources to really get an idea of the bigger picture though. I would shudder at anyone who would totally take either of these sources at face value 100% of the time.

 

[Arkaign]

There you go, you just left the field of sane arguments - this is pure speculation, pulled out of your bottom part about Charlie... 😛 and it's not even logical: why would he do that? Makes no sense, it's not 60+ years old couch-potato FakeNews viewers but fairly well-informed, knowledgeable audience who can catch him faster than he would edit the page later...

Well, given that Charlie has been wrong about as often as he's been right, and that his 'sources' are anonymous, who's to say that he isn't just guessing a lot of the time? Who could tell the difference? 🙂

 

[Schmide]

Well we will have to agree to disagree then.

Dude, If you say the above, you don't go on and on and ask questions. So I must reply. The way you end an debate is to use the above phrase alone.

Of course FNC is going to be a lot more divisive than Charlie, but going out to deliberately gather one-sided stories is a waste either way.

You take one set of stories (nVidia) and immediately consider it a ubiquitous bias. I would say Charlie is an equal opportunity critic. I've seen him bash almost everyone.

If Charlie had more resources, he would probably try to create news.

This is completely unfair. You can't say what someone would do.

He guesses and rumor-mongers enough that it's functionally equivalent to 'creating' news, given that he almost invariably uses 'anonymous' sources.

Many rumor mills use anonymous sources. Fine it's like Access Hollywood or Entertainment Tonight.

Think of Charlie as a very tiny independent Fox news, it's not like Charlie has some cretin like Murdoch backing him and a massive war chest to work with, along with a bunch of corrupt lackeys to do his bidding.

No. I put Faux News in a whole different category.

I can't really understand what you are going on about, particularly the last sentence. 'Appeal to commonality is unjustified and lame'? Do you mean it's unjustified to compare disreputable sources for news, ones that go out to gather only a particular side? Because that's pretty much ironclad for both of these pathetic sources of information.

You're taking many very different news types and organizations and attempting to discredit them all as a whole. An appeal to commonality. If you want to make something disreputable do it on a case by case basis.

 

[Arkaign]

Fine.

Case 1 : Charlie has been incorrect multiple times, Y/N?
Case 2 : Fox news has been incorrect multiple times, Y/N? (lol this is a bit of an understatement).

Also, you'd have to be completely insane not to realize that Charlie is emotionally disturbed about Nvidia. You'd think Nvidia raped and murdered his daughter or something. Case in point :

http://www.semiaccurate.com/category/rumors/

Look down the list, anything to do with Nvidia is super hyperbolic and slanted, and anything to do with anything else is relatively mild (look at his colorless talk about the 58xx shortage, if it were Nvidia he'd be predicting the end of the world).

For me, Charlie is like Glenn Beck, only not quite as much of a crackpot.

 

[Schmide]

Fine.

Case 1 : Charlie has been incorrect multiple times, Y/N?
Case 2 : Fox news has been incorrect multiple times, Y/N? (lol this is a bit of an understatement).

Two disjointed statements for an an appeal to commonality?

Also, you'd have to be completely insane not to realize that Charlie is emotionally disturbed about Nvidia. You'd think Nvidia raped and murdered his daughter or something. Case in point :

http://www.semiaccurate.com/category/rumors/

Look down the list, anything to do with Nvidia is super hyperbolic and slanted, and anything to do with anything else is relatively mild (look at his colorless talk about the 58xx shortage, if it were Nvidia he'd be predicting the end of the world).

For me, Charlie is like Glenn Beck, only not quite as much of a crackpot.

He'll kick ya when your down sure. I think he was kind of hard on AMD in the Phenom 1 release. Not exactly kind to TSMC.

 

[bryanW1995]

Well they've got 50% more xtors invested in the sucker versus Cypress...gonna be sad if it is just so-so for gaming.

R600 was also a monster on paper, but launched 6 mos after 8800gtx and had trouble holding onto the # 2 spot for the 6 mos or so that it was actually relevant. Those specs mean zilch if they can't get decent clocks out of it.

Originally Posted by T2k
...by posting pretty much the same news Charlie posted weeks ago:

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Full post: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16685/1/

You made me register because you sir are an idiot.

Lets take a look back:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/08/...kes-huge-risk/

Charlies was posting his usual FUD, make a wild guess back in August.
Before any respins (which is the cause of Fermi's delay).

That means he made a wild guess...and got lucky.

But to say he knew (back then) only goes to show what an idiot you are.
And that your posts should be read even more carefull that the FUD charlie writes....due to the low i.Q. presented in those posts.

You (and Charlie) are FUD'sters...and not good for the indutry.

Good bye idiot.

LOL!!! I just snorted dr pepper out of my nose!

 

[bryanW1995]

Network news in general is horribly produced, you can throw CNN and MSNBC into the pile as well. The difference with Fox "news" is that the production of the product (news and infotainment) is purely and unabashedly political. The executives and decision makers of Fox read like what they are : fully Republican. In essence, they're honest about what they do, which is feed a particular view to people who want that view. The truly tragic thing is that are some people out there that think that they really *are* fair and balanced, just as watching purely CNN for a 'balanced' opinion would be idiotic.

It's all kind of static noise, but I think it's bad and illogical to go out with a singular mission in mind. That kind of ethic produces generally unworthwhile results. In the case of Fox : make Republicans look good, make Democrats look bad, or hype up the latest celebrity news nonsense, and in the case of Charlie : rant about Nvidia, make them look bad however possible, either with pure speculation or a grain of truth now and then.

All an intelligent person can do is try to tune out the more flagrantly insane sources for information, and filter it through multiple sources and a good dose of common sense.

I'm not trying to defend fox at all, they are clearly right-leaning. They are just more honest about their leanings than most networks. Was it Dan Rather who slipped an "us" into some of his election commentary a few years back when the democrats were cleaning up? Let's face it, most news is biased, whether intentional or not. Charlie probably goes farther along the scale than any "mainstream" news outlet, but I do feel that it's reasonable to lump most of the mainstream guys into the "useless pile of goo" category.

 

[Arkaign]

I'm not trying to defend fox at all, they are clearly right-leaning. They are just more honest about their leanings than most networks. Was it Dan Rather who slipped an "us" into some of his election commentary a few years back when the democrats were cleaning up? Let's face it, most news is biased, whether intentional or not. Charlie probably goes farther along the scale than any "mainstream" news outlet, but I do feel that it's reasonable to lump most of the mainstream guys into the "useless pile of goo" category.

Pretty well said, and I agree for all intents and purposes. Fox news is still somewhat unique though, given the top-to-bottom partisan ethos that they live by (richly, thanks to their superior ratings).

 

[Schmide]

Was it Dan Rather who slipped an "us" into some of his election commentary a few years back when the democrats were cleaning up?

I don't think so. Even if you go to the Dan Rather is a Liberal sites, there is no mention of it. Example This is actually a Foxism, it's not a lie if you phrase it in the form of a question. It can become news (trueish) if you make enough people question it. Fact checking is for dummies. Even Charlie doesn't play that cheap.

Charlie probably goes farther along the scale than any "mainstream" news outlet, but I do feel that it's reasonable to lump most of the mainstream guys into the "useless pile of goo" category.

I can pretty much take any News that isn't Fox. I can take the Christian Science Monitor and I'm an atheist. I have to ask. Since we're elevating Charlie to mainstream news, what mainstream news is not of this "pile of goo" category?

 

[Nox51]

Guys how about we get back to gpu discussions. Hell even bashing Charlie and the rest if you must just keep away for politics. I'll go lurk P&N if I want politics. Or rather shoot myself.

 

[T2k]

Was it Dan Rather who slipped an "us" into some of his election commentary a few years back when the democrats were cleaning up?

Other than the questioned authenticity of a single document - BTW only questioned by a single supposed 'expert', using CBS' photocopies, and it's never been established by his peers (CBS" review panel only talked to the same expert) - it is a solid fact that Bush, this coward who jumped to the NG's waiting list to avoid Nam, was a complete no-show at the base during his service. And what happened? DR got fired and CBS retracted despite this issue alone should have brought down that monkey...

 

[T2k]

Guys how about we get back to gpu discussions. Hell even bashing Charlie and the rest if you must just keep away for politics. I'll go lurk P&N if I want politics. Or rather shoot myself.

😀

 

[SlowSpyder]

Guys how about we get back to gpu discussions. Hell even bashing Charlie and the rest if you must just keep away for politics. I'll go lurk P&N if I want politics. Or rather shoot myself.

Agreed. If only Anandtech.com had an 'Off Topic' or 'Politics and News' forum, then this type of discussion could happen there... hmmm....