Fuad admits Charlie was right about Fermi...

jvroig

Platinum Member
Nov 4, 2009
2,394
1
81
Ouch, so much about hoping for a Feb 2010 early release then.

For all the hate Charlie seems to have for nVidia, he seems to be right enough times to be worth a read?
 

tviceman

Diamond Member
Mar 25, 2008
6,734
514
126
www.facebook.com
He was wrong about nvidia blocking the Lucid-equipped motherboards, and he's been generally wrong about the EOL/not being able to purchase any gtx 260's, 275's, 285's, etc. as they are all still readily available at etailers.

Being right <= 50% of the time isn't impressive in my book.
 

jvroig

Platinum Member
Nov 4, 2009
2,394
1
81
Being right <= 50&#37; of the time isn't impressive in my book.
Agree, not impressive at all, merely saying that with him being so hateful of nVidia (how did that happen anyway, did Jen-Hsun Huang kill his dog?), one would expect him to be wrong almost all the time, just as you'd expect fanatics in any topic wouldn't be worth listening to. But Charlie, much as he hates nVidia, seems to get a couple of things right. He does lay on the hate pretty thick, and it is very distracting.
 

Wreckage

Banned
Jul 1, 2005
5,529
0
0
He was wrong about nvidia blocking the Lucid-equipped motherboards, and he's been generally wrong about the EOL/not being able to purchase any gtx 260's, 275's, 285's, etc. as they are all still readily available at etailers.

Being right <= 50% of the time isn't impressive in my book.

He was also wrong about the bump issue affecting desktop parts.

I prefer to read sites that are right 90%+ of the time and make every effort to correct the other 10%.

Imagine if Charlie was a Condom. Would you be happy with that kind of failure rate? :eek:
 

Shilohen

Member
Jul 29, 2009
194
0
0
I consider him worth reading. I've not been reading him for long enough to determine is real failure rate, but when he does get it right, it's often before any others. Then again, one could say it's because he throws anything in the air and ought to hit something every now and then, but still he presents colorful possibilities, you just have to keep in mind that it might not be 100&#37; accurate (or not accurate at all in case of Lucid issue).

So far, for Fermi, I think he's been right most of the time (the mockup and release date issues), be it by luck or good contacts and will it always be that way, I cannot say, but I do give more credence to his articles about Fermi than those posted by Fuad, who seems to be incredibly biased and pretty much wrong 80% of the time about it. As for the article about missing clock target, bleh, I don't know, nor really care, I'll judge it when it gets released and buy the best performance/price (with a minimal performance threshold) when that happen.

For Larrabee, I don't know yet and will most likely only know when it does get released.

For TSMC, I don't find his articles very relevant, I highly prefer Idontcare posts on this forum explaining the management rationales and production processes.

So, in all, I read him because it's kind of funny (so are the forum posts on those topics) as well as getting aware of the possibilities. Once I'm aware of it, I leave it to my own judgment to determine its probability.
 

dguy6789

Diamond Member
Dec 9, 2002
8,558
3
76
I hope it's not true. The sooner Fermi comes, the sooner we'll have $300 5870s and $200 5850s. Fermi could also just be really awesome itself.
 

Stoneburner

Diamond Member
May 29, 2003
3,491
0
76
I dont know if it will be forgiven. In my recollection, when a product gets delayed repeatedly expectations rise irrationally and then the reviewers get deeply emotional like scorned spouses and it's all downhill.
 

Dribble

Platinum Member
Aug 9, 2005
2,076
611
136
Fud seems pretty unbiased, but tends to the optimistic.

I'm pretty sure Charlie writes stuff he knows is wrong but is anti-nvidia so much he doesn't care. I mean according to him nvidia shouldn't have any cards at all right now because they left the high end graphics market a few months ago.

Anyway looks very bad right now. If the yields are at 50&#37; for a year old process then no guarantee that TSMC will be able to fix it in the next 3 months. Even Fud the optimist says April. Might well be next summer before both companies cards are abundant and a bit cheaper.
 

SHAQ

Senior member
Aug 5, 2002
738
0
76
I can't believe Nvidia passed up the chance at a 55nm refresh part. It would have competed nicely against the 5870 and been more available. I guess buying the 295 on a hunch in August wasnt a bad decision after all. I may consider quad-SLI since things look so bad right now. If they had to go to A3 to get a decent part it must suck pretty badly from a price/performance standpoint.
 

T2k

Golden Member
Feb 24, 2004
1,665
5
81
Funny that all you Charlie-haters act like if he weren't literally 100&#37; right in EVERYTHING he wrote about Fermi during the past ~6 months...


...indeed, he was.


Meanwhile Fuad turn out to be complete BS - just like claiming he's non-biased... at least Charlie has the balls to come out clean, not caring about it - hah, easy for Charlie because he's regularly right on the spot, unlike Fuad who's typically waaay off.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,002
126
He was also wrong about the bump issue affecting desktop parts.

I prefer to read sites that are right 90%+ of the time and make every effort to correct the other 10%.

Imagine if Charlie was a Condom. Would you be happy with that kind of failure rate? :eek:

I was under the impression that he was correct about the bump issue on the desktop parts, but because they have better cooling in general they're not nearly as likely to fail, so essentially it's a non-issue on the desktop parts.
 
Last edited:

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
20,736
1,379
126
Funny that all you Charlie-haters act like if he weren't literally 100% right in EVERYTHING he wrote about Fermi during the past ~6 months...


...indeed, he was.


Meanwhile Fuad turn out to be complete BS - just like claiming he's non-biased... at least Charlie has the balls to come out clean, not caring about it - hah, easy for Charlie because he's regularly right on the spot, unlike Fuad who's typically waaay off.

Being right about a single subject (Fermi delay) doesn't excuse being wrong about other considerable subjects within the same time frame as well as historically. Charlie is like Fox News to feed people what they want to hear, not what is actually going on.
 

Keysplayr

Elite Member
Jan 16, 2003
21,209
50
91
Funny that all you Charlie-haters act like if he weren't literally 100% right in EVERYTHING he wrote about Fermi during the past ~6 months...


...indeed, he was.


Meanwhile Fuad turn out to be complete BS - just like claiming he's non-biased... at least Charlie has the balls to come out clean, not caring about it - hah, easy for Charlie because he's regularly right on the spot, unlike Fuad who's typically waaay off.

Provided above were three (3) recent examples of Charlie's stumblings. And we won't know if the latest Fud article is accurate until we actually get a release date on Fermi. Reserve your judgement til then anyway.
 

Zap

Elite Member
Oct 13, 1999
22,377
2
81
Imagine if Charlie was a Condom. Would you be happy with that kind of failure rate? :eek:

/win

Funny that all you Charlie-haters act like if he weren't literally 100% right in EVERYTHING he wrote about Fermi during the past ~6 months...

Throw enough shit on the wall and some of it is bound to stick.

Basically Charlie just posted the worst case scenario, which ended up happening.

Of course he's pulled a Bush-like "read my lips" kind of failure before with saying that Nvidia under no circumstances will be able to put two G200 GPUs on one graphics card, but does anyone remember that?

If he were actually 100% right all the time and not just about Fermi as you claim (I don't read his site so I don't know), and he wasn't so blatantly rabid-anti-Nvidia, then perhaps Charlie haters would get another hobby?
 

T2k

Golden Member
Feb 24, 2004
1,665
5
81
/win



Throw enough shit on the wall and some of it is bound to stick.

Basically Charlie just posted the worst case scenario, which ended up happening.

Of course he's pulled a Bush-like "read my lips" kind of failure before with saying that Nvidia under no circumstances will be able to put two G200 GPUs on one graphics card, but does anyone remember that?

If he were actually 100% right all the time and not just about Fermi as you claim (I don't read his site so I don't know), and he wasn't so blatantly rabid-anti-Nvidia, then perhaps Charlie haters would get another hobby?

Ehh, which part of "being 100% right" you cannot comprehend?

FYI: "Throw enough shit on the wall and some of it is bound to stick"has nothing to do with what I just said - but of course, you don't have to understand this, you could be just another non-native English-speaker like me... :twisted: :sneaky::D
 
Last edited:

T2k

Golden Member
Feb 24, 2004
1,665
5
81
Provided above were three (3) recent examples of Charlie's stumblings

Ehhh? There wasn't any example, sorry.

As I said, Charlie was right all along the way, ever since he first mentioned the possibility of a protracted process, well into 2010.

. And we won't know if the latest Fud article is accurate until we actually get a release date on Fermi. Reserve your judgement til then anyway.

Yeah, right: "Guys, no need to worry about Nvidia" - right, Focus Group Member?
:awe::awe::awe:
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,947
126
Provided above were three (3) recent examples of Charlie's stumblings. And we won't know if the latest Fud article is accurate until we actually get a release date on Fermi. Reserve your judgement til then anyway.

You told us January. Is this not the case?
 

dguy6789

Diamond Member
Dec 9, 2002
8,558
3
76
The hostility in here is so thick. Relax guys. Discuss stuff without insulting one another.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
17,305
1,002
126
/win

Of course he's pulled a Bush-like "read my lips" kind of failure before with saying that Nvidia under no circumstances will be able to put two G200 GPUs on one graphics card, but does anyone remember that?

This is another one I see mentioned a lot... but wasn't Charlie right about this one as well? Didn't he say that when they were on 65nm, but after the move to 55nm they were able to create the GTX295? Maybe my memory is hazy and I'm completely wrong. But I thought he said that back when Nvidia had 65nm parts.... I could be wrong on this though, it's been a long time.

At any rate, it doesn't matter too much. I think everyone knows that a launch this year is unlikely to impossible. And more and more January is looking like it won't happen, but you never know... there's a lot of time between now and January 31st. No sense bickering over a part that doesn't even exist yet.