I have MZ-N1, MZ-R90 and Sharp MT881. I love them. I also have Rio 800. MD's sound quality is far better than MP3.
<< Sony as a company is terrible. Uninspired ID, poor quality control, proprietary technologies instead of standards, the recording industry, overhyped PS2 launch, the Everquest comment from their executive, the list is practically endless. Fortunately for them, their marketing creates a large base of very loyal fanboys.
MD will never gain a decent market share. Hardware and CD MP3 players are getting smaller and cheaper every day. For $150 you can get a decent product in either of those categories.
Anyway, regular price on a single color is not a Hot Deal. >>
Yeah cuz you know, we think Sony is terrible so EVERY single one of their products is a$$. Riiiiight.
ANYWAY back to reality, just because company's practices suck in one arena doesn't always reflect on all of their products. I hate Microsoft and their business practices but I love Windows XP. You are right, hardware and CD mp3 players are getting smaller and cheaper every day, but you fail to mention that MD player/RECORDERS are also getting smaller and cheaper every day. For $150 RETAIL, you can get this N505 with an optical and USB input that will portably RECORD as well. You'll have a tough time finding a hardware/CD based MP3 player device that will record with the same audio quality and similar priced media.....
Yeah, so MD will never gain a decent US market share because people in the US know nothing about it - end of story. Studies have shown that most MD owners here are audiophiles or broke-a$$ college boys who know what quality portable audio is all about. If you check the Asia market, MD pretty much 0wnz j00. Same with Europe. I think I can safely say the same about GSM and 3g for mobile phones...
I suggest you take your anti-Sony repugnance and mp3 player versus arguments elsewhere, they are not valid here. If you have something to contribute to this deal that nobody said was hot to begin with, then please by all means do so. Albeit a repost, I would like to thank Mega for posting this deal, as I did not know that Fry's had started stocking these and I had missed the original post. Thanks you are much appreciated.
The sound quality is far and away above mp3 quality.
How about if you drop mp3s on your MD? They suddenly start sounding better? Not possible.
DongTran and mesach, all your huffing and puffing doesn't make this deal any hotter.
How about if you drop mp3s on your MD? They suddenly start sounding better? Not possible.
DongTran and mesach, all your huffing and puffing doesn't make this deal any hotter.
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<< The sound quality is far and away above mp3 quality.
How about if you drop mp3s on your MD? They suddenly start sounding better? Not possible.
DongTran and mesach, all your huffing and puffing doesn't make this deal any hotter. >>
Maybe he meant CD audio encoded directly to ATRAC
Anyone know how the MZ-N707 is? Circuit City has it for $230 and I have a few gift certificates...
-Brian
-Brian
<< The sound quality is far and away above mp3 quality.
How about if you drop mp3s on your MD? They suddenly start sounding better? Not possible.
DongTran and mesach, all your huffing and puffing doesn't make this deal any hotter. >>
Professional recorders don't drop MP3s on to MD my friend....
I'm thinking our huffing adds value to this post, it is meant to educate mal/uninformed people of what MD technology can do, and the puffing is to counterweigh your threadcrap, which might I add doesn't make this deal any hotter either - but that goes without saying...
you can all ditch sony but you cant ditch its invention and the quality of its product. of course nobody can make everyone happy but i can see a lot of sony's invention have changed our way of living and its the best of all kind including the CRT you are looking (the trintron, yeah i bet you like it or you can go back to interlacemode now), the floppy disc you are using (well maybe you aint using that nemore but heh, its still there...), and the CD you listening.
Well MD comes alone and is all about quality. Well i suppose sony miss aimed a little by making its MD for the people who want quality music and a very portable unit. Guess what that lil optical output they equip in every mid-high level MD and Discman is for? They are all for lost free duping.
And of course, you dont compare MP3 to MD, because once you encoded to MP3, you lost the original quality already.
Well MD comes alone and is all about quality. Well i suppose sony miss aimed a little by making its MD for the people who want quality music and a very portable unit. Guess what that lil optical output they equip in every mid-high level MD and Discman is for? They are all for lost free duping.
And of course, you dont compare MP3 to MD, because once you encoded to MP3, you lost the original quality already.
<< I was at J&R's Computer World (Lower Manhattan) and I saw this Sony computer with a NetMD drive BUILT INTO the system. Does anyone if they sell that drive? I have an MDLP player and a seperate system for recording but doesn't support MDLP. >>
My friend showed me something similar to the one in the Sony computer at Crutchfield a while ago. I tried searching for it, but couldn't find anything. It costs around $500 :Q
sony sux0rs for being too proprietary... md's better quality but not as user friendly compared to drag n drop mp3 files into an mp3 player or wma, which is 2x smaller
if sony was smart, they'd allow mp3 and wma files to be playable on that 150mb minidisc, then things would get interesting
but sony never will because they are part of the evil empire (riaa alliance)
if sony was smart, they'd allow mp3 and wma files to be playable on that 150mb minidisc, then things would get interesting
but sony never will because they are part of the evil empire (riaa alliance)
Wow, although my username suggests otherwise, I've really lost touch with MD. This NetMD sounds cool! My only question would be is this a digital transfer to the unit from the computer, or is it an analog transfer? I know the previous models came with those PCLink devices. The cheaper ones came with an analog device, while the more high end ones had an optical connection on the PCLink that came with it.
I was actually ready to completely ditch MD. I have about 25 MD's packed with music (a lot of them rare soundtracks that I can no longer get) that I recorded digitally from original CD's. A few weeks ago I bought a Home CD Recorder and tried to copy my MD's back to Audio CDR. NO GO. The Serial Copyright Management System (SCMS) kicked right in and said "Copy Protect." I of course could do an analog copy, but I'm so hung up on digital that I returned the Home CD Recorder (it was the Philips from Fry's @ $149 and it has it's own issues, I'm afraid). I think my only option at this point is getting that Hercules Fortissimo Sound Card from Newegg (~$30) that has an optical input on it. I just don't know if that will cause the SCMS to kick in or not.
On a sidenote, I had been using MD since 1992 and had loved it to death. I watched the units get a lot smaller and listened as the ATRAC quality improved. It was great to use, even though the whole time I felt like I was using a big secret that only me and a few other Americans knew about (and a hell of a lot of Japanese!). I lost touch with MD about 2 years ago when portable mp3 players hit the market and computer CD Burners became more economically reasonable. My portable unit (an inexpensive Audiophase -- a rock solid unit based on a Kenwood Model) and Sony home recorder started to gather dust. I think I'll blow the dust off and see about reviving my interest.
Either that or my username must go!
I was actually ready to completely ditch MD. I have about 25 MD's packed with music (a lot of them rare soundtracks that I can no longer get) that I recorded digitally from original CD's. A few weeks ago I bought a Home CD Recorder and tried to copy my MD's back to Audio CDR. NO GO. The Serial Copyright Management System (SCMS) kicked right in and said "Copy Protect." I of course could do an analog copy, but I'm so hung up on digital that I returned the Home CD Recorder (it was the Philips from Fry's @ $149 and it has it's own issues, I'm afraid). I think my only option at this point is getting that Hercules Fortissimo Sound Card from Newegg (~$30) that has an optical input on it. I just don't know if that will cause the SCMS to kick in or not.
On a sidenote, I had been using MD since 1992 and had loved it to death. I watched the units get a lot smaller and listened as the ATRAC quality improved. It was great to use, even though the whole time I felt like I was using a big secret that only me and a few other Americans knew about (and a hell of a lot of Japanese!). I lost touch with MD about 2 years ago when portable mp3 players hit the market and computer CD Burners became more economically reasonable. My portable unit (an inexpensive Audiophase -- a rock solid unit based on a Kenwood Model) and Sony home recorder started to gather dust. I think I'll blow the dust off and see about reviving my interest.
Either that or my username must go!
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<< ...not as user friendly compared to drag n drop mp3 files into an mp3 player... >>
actually, MD's are super easy to use.
1). i load a playlist in Winamp.
2). i plug in my MD player into the computer (i have a digital usb connector)
3). press record on MD player
4). press play on Winamp
the cool thing is that i can edit playlists, delete songs, rearrange tracks, and record more songs without a computer.
<< sony sux0rs for being too proprietary... md's better quality but not as user friendly compared to drag n drop mp3 files into an mp3 player or wma, which is 2x smaller
if sony was smart, they'd allow mp3 and wma files to be playable on that 150mb minidisc, then things would get interesting
but sony never will because they are part of the evil empire (riaa alliance) >>
Yeah cuz you know, CDs, floppies, and Trinitron tubes are SOOOOOOO proprietary. So tell me, what technology in the N505 or the 707 is proprietary? I don't see why/how you could bring this up in this post...
EDIT: here is a bada$$ sharp unit that has the same features if not more than the N707. Please stop whining because Sony is always the first to bring technology to the US market. Can't we all just appreciate that it's there, it can do what it does, and all get along and riverdance or something?
Because MD was initially proprietary. Also, it doesn't use wma or mp3, like the rest of the world does. Memory stick is another example. Sony is run just like MS, there's no denying it.
Nice job listing some 20 year old technologies, btw. Of course a huge company like that is going to make decent inventions over the years.
You still fail to see my point, though.
Nice job listing some 20 year old technologies, btw. Of course a huge company like that is going to make decent inventions over the years.
You still fail to see my point, though.
<< Sony is run just like MS, there's no denying it. >>
So stop using WinXP, it says you're using WinXP in your rigs. Why do you use WinXP if MS is so much like Sony but you can't even accept MD? Oh wait, you can't stop using WinXP cuz it's a good product. So anyway yes I fail to see your point because it's so convoluted and hypocritical.
Phillips's DCC was proprietary also, but the difference is MD is superior in just about every aspect, which is why it still lives despite weak US support. huff puff
actually sony is WORSE then ms. ms chose to continue writing o/s's for non proprietary pc's.. ibm tried to retake their market with some standards which would have to be licenced from them but it never caught on. kinda like minidisc and all the other @#% like beta sony tries to cram down consumers throats.its always proprietary bullsh*t from sony.
now this attrac bullsh*t, trying to force it down consumers throats. Maybe i want a minidisc player but don't want to reencode all my stuff. sony could easily do that, but no, attrac or nothing. total bull.
damn you memory stick.
and no, sony didn't invent the floppy so i dunno wtf your smoking. sony's trinitron patent ran out, so not their choice.
yes sony helped mess up the dvd/rw market too by coming ouot with a competing incompatible standard.
now this attrac bullsh*t, trying to force it down consumers throats. Maybe i want a minidisc player but don't want to reencode all my stuff. sony could easily do that, but no, attrac or nothing. total bull.
damn you memory stick.
and no, sony didn't invent the floppy so i dunno wtf your smoking. sony's trinitron patent ran out, so not their choice.
yes sony helped mess up the dvd/rw market too by coming ouot with a competing incompatible standard.
<< and no, sony didn't invent the floppy so i dunno wtf your smoking. sony's trinitron patent ran out, so not their choice.
yes sony helped mess up the dvd/rw market too by coming ouot with a competing incompatible standard. >>
ahh yes i stand corrected, IBM invented the floppy. anyways so i still fail to see what you're trying to say with your elementary language. Mega says Fry's has the N505 for $149. If you don't like the N505 or can't find a better price, I suggest you go elsewhere. If you don't like minidisc why did you come into this thread? If you have nothing to contribute to people who are looking for a good minidisc player/recorder why post? If all you can do is moan about how sucky sony is why don't you take it to the Brag/Moan thread?
Anyways back to the subject, I got the N505 today, pretty much going to sell my MZR-700, but I think I'm going to return the N505 and get the N707. I like the battery recharging feature on my 700 and I'm diggin spending money on alkies or having a separate battery recharger for NiMHs....
i highly doubt this will bring any more to the US MD community... i personally like MD. It fits my needs nicely. Just cost is a huge factor. That's sony's fault, and now it's pretty much too late because of mp3 players and the HUGE market for that.
NetMD is a nice step.. cause real time recording was the reason I stopped using it. But i got the mz-n505 (can't afford/wait for the n1.. so i got this). However, it is very misleading on the speed.. as that is for pre-converted atrac3 files.. otherwise you have to convert your file format first, then transfer it. This doesn't bother *me* all that much, but i doubt many ppl will like that. The software is also subpar to say the least as well...
anyway, really isn't a hot deal since that is the normal price
btw, the build quality is so-so for an MD i would have to say... there are things out there that are far better (but also far more expensive. And yes, g-shock works very very well.
NetMD is a nice step.. cause real time recording was the reason I stopped using it. But i got the mz-n505 (can't afford/wait for the n1.. so i got this). However, it is very misleading on the speed.. as that is for pre-converted atrac3 files.. otherwise you have to convert your file format first, then transfer it. This doesn't bother *me* all that much, but i doubt many ppl will like that. The software is also subpar to say the least as well...
anyway, really isn't a hot deal since that is the normal price
btw, the build quality is so-so for an MD i would have to say... there are things out there that are far better (but also far more expensive
. And yes, g-shock works very very well.So stop using WinXP, it says you're using WinXP in your rigs. Why do you use WinXP if MS is so much like Sony but you can't even accept MD?
Well, since I was a sysadmin and my campus had a site license from Microsoft, I got free MS software. I would gladly have used BeOS if it had stuck around. WinXP is an awesome product, and i have no qualms about using it for free.
If you have nothing to contribute to people who are looking for a good minidisc player/recorder why post? If all you can do is moan about how sucky sony is why don't you take it to the Brag/Moan thread?
Since this is not a Hot Deal, why is it even in this forum? Don't try and get all self-righteous about a thread that's in the wrong place. Take it to General Hardware or something.
Well, since I was a sysadmin and my campus had a site license from Microsoft, I got free MS software. I would gladly have used BeOS if it had stuck around. WinXP is an awesome product, and i have no qualms about using it for free.
If you have nothing to contribute to people who are looking for a good minidisc player/recorder why post? If all you can do is moan about how sucky sony is why don't you take it to the Brag/Moan thread?
Since this is not a Hot Deal, why is it even in this forum? Don't try and get all self-righteous about a thread that's in the wrong place. Take it to General Hardware or something.
<< Well, since I was a sysadmin and my campus had a site license from Microsoft, I got free MS software. I would gladly have used BeOS if it had stuck around. WinXP is an awesome product, and i have no qualms about using it for free.
Since this is not a Hot Deal, why is it even in this forum? Don't try and get all self-righteous about a thread that's in the wrong place. Take it to General Hardware or something. >>
Blah blah blah I'm sure if you got a NetMD player/recorder for free you'd probably like it to but you didn't so you can't appreciate blah blah? Blah blah blah threadcrap blah blah blah? It's a deal to me, shut up blah blah? Self-rightous blah blah blah?
EDIT: did i mention threadcrap blah blah blah no appreciation blah blah?
<< Well, since I was a sysadmin and my campus had a site license from Microsoft, I got free MS software. I would gladly have used BeOS if it had stuck around. WinXP is an awesome product, and i have no qualms about using it for free.
Since this is not a Hot Deal, why is it even in this forum? Don't try and get all self-righteous about a thread that's in the wrong place. Take it to General Hardware or something. >>
Why don't you just shut up and let people appreciate this? I admit that this deal isn't exactly hot, but it's nice to know where it's available because it's barely coming out....
To answer many previously asked questions:
According to minidisco.com,
the MZ-N505 model does not have mic input, a remote, or a docking station.
the recording is digital, not analog (although you can record in analog but then you are wasting NETMD).
to store 5 hours of music on one disc you record at 32x speed in LP4 mode and the quality is mediocre at best.
to store 160 min on one disc you record at 16x and it will be about 134kbps.
it is available in gold and silver.
to take advantage of NETMD you MUST use sony's software, not WinAmp.
For some reason Sony has the gold in stock but the silver is pre-order, I do not recommend buying from minidisco.com, but haven't seen it anywhere else.
According to minidisco.com,
the MZ-N505 model does not have mic input, a remote, or a docking station.
the recording is digital, not analog (although you can record in analog but then you are wasting NETMD).
to store 5 hours of music on one disc you record at 32x speed in LP4 mode and the quality is mediocre at best.
to store 160 min on one disc you record at 16x and it will be about 134kbps.
it is available in gold and silver.
to take advantage of NETMD you MUST use sony's software, not WinAmp.
For some reason Sony has the gold in stock but the silver is pre-order, I do not recommend buying from minidisco.com, but haven't seen it anywhere else.
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