FRY's B&M e4300 + ECS Mobo - $149+tax

Arkaign

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Good grief that's awesome :) Buy it, ebay the unopened mobo for $40ish, and you've got a $110 chip that overclocks to 6800 levels! :)
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Good grief that's awesome :) Buy it, ebay the unopened mobo for $40ish, and you've got a $110 chip that overclocks to 6800 levels! :)

Bingo. Now I just need a Frys in Florida :)
 

jpeyton

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VERY IMPORTANT

The ECS motherboard included in this combo will not boot the E4300 out of the box, unless it already has the newest BIOS installed.

All the motherboards from my local Frys did not have the newest BIOS installed, so I had to boot up the system with another CPU first.

The newest BIOS can be found here.

I've flashed using the Windows flashing utility without any problems. Just make sure to check the options for overwriting all blocks, and for rebooting after flashing is complete. Close any unneeded programs before you begin flashing.
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
VERY IMPORTANT

The ECS motherboard included in this combo will not boot the E4300 out of the box, unless it already has the newest BIOS installed.

All the motherboards from my local Frys did not have the newest BIOS installed, so I had to boot up the system with another CPU first.

The newest BIOS can be found here.

I've flashed using the Windows flashing utility without any problems. Just make sure to check the options for overwriting all blocks, and for rebooting after flashing is complete. Close any unneeded programs before you begin flashing.


Well that is fvcking retaded!!!! What a bunch of idiots, but OH yeah I have talked to those fools that work there so i am not so surprised....

I guess they are going toi have a lot of returns...

Perhaps even cheaper open box buys?????
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: jpeyton
VERY IMPORTANT

The ECS motherboard included in this combo will not boot the E4300 out of the box, unless it already has the newest BIOS installed.

All the motherboards from my local Frys did not have the newest BIOS installed, so I had to boot up the system with another CPU first.

The newest BIOS can be found here.

I've flashed using the Windows flashing utility without any problems. Just make sure to check the options for overwriting all blocks, and for rebooting after flashing is complete. Close any unneeded programs before you begin flashing.


Well that is fvcking retaded!!!! What a bunch of idiots, but OH yeah I have talked to those fools that work there so i am not so surprised....

I guess they are going toi have a lot of returns...

Perhaps even cheaper open box buys?????

:) Yup, I was thinking the same thing; A LOT of returns over the weekend. I'll mention the news to the Fry's technology "specialists" when I go to pick up my second combo tonight, but I'm sure this was an oversight at the corporate level.

They'll mark the open-box motherboards down, but they usually just throw returned OEM CPUs back into the fold with the new ones. The combo price doesn't go down at all, regardless of whether you have a new or open-box motherboard.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Buy it, ebay the unopened mobo for $40ish, and you've got a $110 chip that overclocks to 6800 levels! :)

That's the ticket!

Now, for those who keep the board and are able to get it to the latest BIOS, you should be able to overclock that E4300 to 2.4GHz, a 600MHz overclock. The CPU is 800MHz FSB but the board officially supports 1066MHz FSB. All it should take is to manually set it for the faster speed.
 

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Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Buy it, ebay the unopened mobo for $40ish, and you've got a $110 chip that overclocks to 6800 levels! :)

That's the ticket!

Now, for those who keep the board and are able to get it to the latest BIOS, you should be able to overclock that E4300 to 2.4GHz, a 600MHz overclock. The CPU is 800MHz FSB but the board officially supports 1066MHz FSB. All it should take is to manually set it for the faster speed.
Yep, should be a very simple and easy overclock. And these boards typically overclock to the 300FSB level so you are looking at up to 2.7GHz if you tweak it and play with it although a C2D running at 2.4GHz(or E6600 speed) is nothing to sneeze at! :thumbsup:

 

jpeyton

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Just came back from Frys. They were well aware of the BIOS issue by closing time because the salesperson who helped me mentioned that I would need another LGA775 CPU to boot up the board and flash the BIOS. They had their fair share of angry customers and motherboard returns today.

If anything, this goof will probably help the salespeople push their overpriced motherboard upgrades.

I'll report back soon with an overclock on the E4300.
 

jpeyton

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Update 2.38GHz

9 x 265MHz

When I set the FSB to 266MHz or higher, it boots at the stock frequency. Not sure why; I'll need to mess around with the BIOS some more.
 

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OK, I was at frys when you were (8:15 ?) Wilsonville. I flashed mine, but its stuck at 2025.... I will PM you, but maybe you could tell me all your settings. DDR 400 memory.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, I was at frys when you were (8:15 ?) Wilsonville. I flashed mine, but its stuck at 2025.... I will PM you, but maybe you could tell me all your settings. DDR 400 memory.

I was there around 8:40 tonight.

I have one stick of 512MB PC3200 in the first DDR DIMM slot.
Maxtor 160GB PATA HDD. SATA gave me file corruption.
In the overclocking menu, I set the FSB to 265MHz. I set the memory speed to 200MHz. Voltages are all at stock. Memory timings are set to Auto. Disabled SpeedStep, C1E, Spread Spectrum. In fact, I pretty much disabled everything I'm not using (SATA, FDD, Serial/Parallel, Modem(?)).
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
9 x 265MHz

When I set the FSB to 266MHz or higher, it boots at the stock frequency.

I think the trick is to make the motherboard "think" the CPU requires 1066MHz FSB "stock." Tricking the motherboard involves altering the signals it reads from the BSEL pins.

Zap's Core 2 Duo E4300/E4400 overclocking mod for non-overclockable motherboards.

You read it here first, guys!

BSEL2/BSEL1/BSEL0
L/L/L 266MHz FSB
L/H/L 200MHz FSB

So, need to change BSEL1 from H to L. I'm thinking that means changing HIGH voltage to LOW voltage. An easy way to do this would be to insulate the pad on the CPU from the pin in the socket. Alternately, if you had to change an L to an H, you'd need to make a contact with a VCC pin.

BSEL1 is pin/pad H-30. Here's a picture provided very nicely by Intel for me. ;) This is a TOP DOWN view, so when you have the CPU upside down and are looking at the gold pads underneath it, you need to do this picture as a mirror image. The pad marked in red is BSEL1. You need to somehow do something to make it not make contact with the pin in the motherboard. Use a tiny piece of electrical tape, a touch of nail polish, whatever you can think of to do the trick. Voila, the board should now "think" the CPU requires 266MHz FSB, meaning it will POST at 2.4GHz.

http://home.wi.rr.com/zippyzap/computer/lga775.png

It would also be possible to alter voltages using this method, but there are a whole lot more pins to deal with, plus this board may not go high enough to make more vcore necessary. If it does, someone LMK and I can make a quickie guide for that.

DISCLAIMER: I do not own anything in socket LGA775. This information was gleamed from experience and from Intel's Developer web site . I am not responsible if you blow up your computer.
 

Markfw

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Well, forget that idea... I can post at 265, but it won't boot due to corrupt drive info (I have a PCI SCSI card, no PCI lock I bet)

The whole idea was to see if a truly cheap motherboard could get a good OC, as my last one (same motherboard) did 320 FSB, so I figured 9x320 almost 3 ghz ! But no way....2025 so far is my best.. I will have to wait until I get another S3 board, but this is NOT as good of a low budget chip as I thought. You still will need the same motherboard and memory as a 6300 to get a good OC, maybe a little cheaper memory.
 

jpeyton

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Zap,

I was thinking of doing the exact same thing last night; I have a couple of Acer SFF systems that I can't overclock traditionally. The Core 2 Duo datasheet can be found here:

http://developer.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/313278.htm

EDIT: Upon further inspection, I think pulling BSEL1 from high to low requires that you use conductive ink to pair it with a grounded pin (Vss). VR-Zone has a guide concerning pin-mods for voltage modification, but the same principles apply to FSB mods.

Using electrical tape to isolate a pin would be used to pull it from low to high, which is the opposite of what we're trying to accomplish, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

atlr

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Using electrical tape to isolate a pin would be used to pull it from low to high, which is the opposite of what we're trying to accomplish, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

J, I believe that you are correct.

You insulate a pad to draw it High and ground a pad to Vss to draw it Low.

Check out this discussion
another BSEL1 mod discussion

The pin diagrams in the vr-zone article should have been mirror-imaged to show the view facing the contacts as shown in the photos. Zap already pointed this out in the diagram he posted. The vr-zone photos show the correct orientation.
 

jpeyton

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The only problem I see is that there are no VSS pins neighboring BSEL1 to ground it to. There is a VCC pin (J30) right above BSEL1; any way to find out if that is grounded?
 

atlr

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I have read one warning against connecting select lines when one is H and one is L.

How about insulating BSEL1 and then conductive inking from BSEL2 to the socket-side of the insulative material placed on BSEL1?
 

o1die

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I downloaded the manual for the ecs board, and the cpu fsb isn't adjustable. But the mods suggested might get it to run at the higher speed.