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It's MN. Move to cali if you're a lefty and the South if a righty. Problem solved.:D
Believe me, I have thought about it. Not really an option since all my family is here. Winters have been relatively mild recently though. If it gets as cold as expected, this will be the coldest period since 2014.
 

sdifox

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I've always just put it straight in. Though I guess it technically would have water already as part of the ingredients. I had a car that had a leak so I had to top it up now and then and just bought it and put it straight in. Go through a couple containers a month haha. Probably terrible for the environment to be leaking that all over...


You got the pre-mixed
 

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Red Squirrel from Timmins ON got us beat. I'm further west but still in Northern Ontario, and last night's low was -37 C (that's about 35 Below F) here. Unfortunately, that's about "normal" around here for this time. In this small city, the coldest part of the year is mid-Jan to mid-Feb, and it is common to reach -30C overnight on several nights in that period. -35 to -40 C is always a possibility. I'm in my 70's now and can remember only a very few times (less than 5) in those years when I experienced temperatures below -40C. On the other hand, summer max's above 40C ( about 104F) are uncommon here, so summers never get really bad.

Regarding automobile anti-freeze, yeah, it needs attention when you live like this. I'm a chenist so I understand how they work. Pure auto antifreeze (based on ethylene glycol) does NOT have an adequate freezing point. MIXING that with water at the right proportions is how it's done. It turns out that the optimum is about 60% antifreeze and 40% water, to get a freezing point between -50 to -60C. There is some variation because commercial products have other copmponents besides the ethylene glycol, so you need to follow the maker's instructions. It can be a bit tricky checking it, though - the simple testers you can get for density of the fluid are not completely accurate. There's also a source of confusion becasue you can buy a pre-mixed antifreeze that already has a glycol / water mix that you do NOT dilute, and you need to be sure what freezing point it has. When using that stuff you can only "top up" with it if you are sure what is in there already is strong enough before adding more. Antifreeze really SHOULD be used in all cars, not just ones in the cold places. Besides giving you freezing protection, they also give you a higher boiling point for hot places, and include corrosion inhibitors to prolong engine life.
 

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It's been cold here all week. Not to mention it's been snowing off and on all week.

Right now it's -11C and -21C with the windchill. We're supposed to get a bunch of snow over the next couple days.
 

sdifox

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It's been cold here all week. Not to mention it's been snowing off and on all week.

Right now it's -11C and -21C with the windchill. We're supposed to get a bunch of snow over the next couple days.

Got 10cm last night and wind is making snow blowing very cold since it blows the snow back into my face...
 

Iron Woode

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Got 10cm last night and wind is making snow blowing very cold since it blows the snow back into my face...
I hate when that happens. I usually wear a scarf when there is blowing snow outside.
 

Red Squirrel

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I keep seeing news that a polar vortex is coming, what do you mean it's coming, I think it's already here lol. -32 with -45 windchill right now.

I did a time lapse of snow melting the other day for fun. Maybe tonight is a good opportunity to make one of water freezing lol. I have more appropriate containers for that too, beakers.

The problem is setting up the montage requires going outside. Brrrr.
 

Iron Woode

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I keep seeing news that a polar vortex is coming, what do you mean it's coming, I think it's already here lol. -32 with -45 windchill right now.

I did a time lapse of snow melting the other day for fun. Maybe tonight is a good opportunity to make one of water freezing lol. I have more appropriate containers for that too, beakers.

The problem is setting up the montage requires going outside. Brrrr.
It will hit us on Wednesday. A high of -18C and a low of -26C not including the windchill which is expected to be near -32C.

That is very cold for us.
 

ImpulsE69

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I was up ice fishing in MN over the weekend. First time doing that. Something a bit unnerving about driving on it, and being able to see thru the ice, and watch / hear/ feel it crack under you :p

Headed back home before the storm hit, it's snowing like crazy here now, and we weren't even supposed to get snow. Supposed to be a low of -21 by Tuesday. Hasn't been that cold in a few years.
 

highland145

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Believe me, I have thought about it. Not really an option since all my family is here. Winters have been relatively mild recently though. If it gets as cold as expected, this will be the coldest period since 2014.
Blame those effers that stopped calling it global warming, I say.

;)
 

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It will hit us on Wednesday. A high of -18C and a low of -26C not including the windchill which is expected to be near -32C.

That is very cold for us.

Yeah Wednesday will be interesting. High of -4Freedom degrees which apparently converts to -20C and windchills in the -35 to -45. Someone told me Chicago was expecting -50 or lower windchills

Many moons ago I bought an old truck in southern Arizona. I drove it to Colorado to meet up with a friend and froze my engine solid. I grew up in the great white north and it never crossed my mind that the previous owner of the truck wouldn't have used proper anti-freeze.

That would not be something I would have thought of either
 

KillerCharlie

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I do not miss Minnesota winters.

It's not just the car potentially not starting, it's everything else. The doors freeze shut half the time. Then you have to spend 30 minutes scraping the windows because you don't have 3 hours to spare for the defroster to work. Then you have to clear the driveway of snow. After driving 15 mph while looking through a 6 inch hole in the windshield (because the ice was so hard you couldn't scrape it all off), you feel like it was a miracle you made it to work alive and didn't hit anything or slide through stop signs. You have to slowly shuffle your feet as you walk to avoid slipping on the parking lot covered in glare ice. The second your walk in the building you start sweating because the temperature changed from -25 to 80 (because the 120 year old radiators aren't the best at consistent heating). While at your desk you scrape the ice out of your hair because your hair was only 90% dry when you stepped outside. Then, you take a bath, this time in moisturizer lotion because if you didn't, your skin would crack open and bleed. Not even one molecule of H2O can exist in the air at those temperatures.

It was a whopping 45 in Seattle yesterday. I had to wear a jacket instead of a thin fleece. Most people outside were wearing big puffy jackets. It does actually feel cold sometimes due to the humidity sucking up all your heat, but I don't have to adjust my entire life like I did in Minnesota.
 
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BurnItDwn

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Far NW suburbs of Chicago currently still mild (28F where I live)
Weds, we are expected to have lows of -28F (-33 in normal people degrees)

Hopefully at least one of our cars will start without too much problem. (Battery in the Subaru is only a couple of years old.)


The Icing on the Cake: Sunday , the forecast calls for 41F, (5 normal people degrees.)

Sunday could be tropical sandals and shorts weather!
 

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Here in south central Wisconsin ... wind chills down to -55F/-48C. This is going to be fun. Straight up temperature lows of -27F and -28F (-33C) Tuesday and Wednesday.


Far NW suburbs of Chicago currently still mild (28F where I live)
Weds, we are expected to have lows of -28F (-33 in normal people degrees)

Hopefully at least one of our cars will start without too much problem. (Battery in the Subaru is only a couple of years old.)


The Icing on the Cake: Sunday , the forecast calls for 41F, (5 normal people degrees.)

Sunday could be tropical sandals and shorts weather!

I switched to pants this past weekend. I will usually keep wearing shorts until about 20F. The wind chill forecast for this week, guess I'll have to get my coat and gloves out of the closet.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Here in south central Wisconsin ... wind chills down to -55F/-48C. This is going to be fun. Straight up temperature lows of -27F and -28F (-33C) Tuesday and Wednesday.

Damn that IS cold for down south.

We've been around that range here on and off for the past few weeks now. -33C with windchill as of now. It warmed up a bit, was -38 this morning.

I did a time lapse of water freezing for fun. One beaker of normal water the other with salt water. I did not figure the salt water would freeze first but it did. Got a time lapse of it melting now, been going on since this morning lol.

Broke a beaker in the process. Doh.
 

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BurnItDwn

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Damn that IS cold for down south.

We've been around that range here on and off for the past few weeks now. -33C with windchill as of now. It warmed up a bit, was -38 this morning.

I did a time lapse of water freezing for fun. One beaker of normal water the other with salt water. I did not figure the salt water would freeze first but it did. Got a time lapse of it melting now, been going on since this morning lol.

Broke a beaker in the process. Doh.
I only had like 1 year of high school chemisty ...

Is this only because the heat capacity of the salt water was less than the fresh water?

Or is the salt somehow making the water more "conductive" to heat transfer with the surface of the beaker?
 

Red Squirrel

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I only had like 1 year of high school chemisty ...

Is this only because the heat capacity of the salt water was less than the fresh water?

Or is the salt somehow making the water more "conductive" to heat transfer with the surface of the beaker?

Honestly not sure, I feel this is a very basic high school level science thing myself but I also have not been there in like almost 20 years. :p It seems to me the salt one froze more evenly too, the normal water was very interesting the way it froze, it was basically outside in and in some cases would even freeze/unfreeze in odd cycles probably due to convection currents or something. It was also filtered tap water and not distilled water so maybe the specific chemicals/minerals that were left over in it had some kind of influence too.

I'm thinking the salt may very well have affected to conductivity.
 

Chaotic42

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Walking to the car at work, it was right at freezing, but the wind made it literally painful.