Frontline: Cell Tower Deaths

[Texashiker]

This is what happens when we have high unemployment rates. People get desperate for a job, and employers exploit the desperate.

$10 an hour to climb a tower is outrageous, those people should be getting 3 or 4 times that amount, plus a massive insurance policy to protect the family in the event of a death.

 

[preslove]

This is what happens when we have high unemployment rates. People get desperate for a job, and employers exploit the desperate.

$10 an hour to climb a tower is outrageous, those people should be getting 3 or 4 times that amount, plus a massive insurance policy to protect the family in the event of a death.

No, this is what happens when conservatives strip away labor laws and safety regulations.

 

[Texashiker]

No, this is what happens when conservatives strip away labor laws and safety regulations.

Low unemployment rates empowers people to demand better working conditions and better wages.

I have worked dangerous jobs, I know what its like to be around stuff that would kill you in a split second.

When you have hundreds of people applying for a job, the company develops an "I dont care" attitude. You dont like it? Leave, and you will be replaced in 10 minutes.

But when positions go months without being filled, companies work to retain the employees.

 

[SillyOReilly]

This is what happens when we have high unemployment rates. People get desperate for a job, and employers exploit the desperate.

$10 an hour to climb a tower is outrageous, those people should be getting 3 or 4 times that amount, plus a massive insurance policy to protect the family in the event of a death.

No, this is what happens when conservatives strip away labor laws and safety regulations.

Actually it's not hard and fast facts as you are stating them, but a combination of many things.

 

[preslove]

Low unemployment rates empowers people to demand better working conditions and better wages.

High unemployment rates are inevitable during the low points of the business cycle. Worker safety laws only go away when conservative nihilists do away with them.

 

[Texashiker]

Actually it's not hard and fast facts as you are stating them, but a combination of many things.

Another part of the problem is the sub-contractors.

Companies do not want to pay their own people to do the work, so they sub-contract the work out.

When you have 100, 200, 300 people applying for a job, the workers have nothing to bargain with.

Besides labor laws, companies have issues with their works insurance just like we face with our car insurance. Worker gets hurt on the job, insurance rates go up. Insurance rates cut into profits.

Part of the problem is companies offloading the responsibility of workers comp insurance to sub-contractors.

Worker safety laws only go away when conservative nihilists do away with them.

Worker safety laws are skirted when you start dealing with sub-contractors.

About a decade ago I worked as a sub-contractor for a sub-contractor. The people I was doing the work for wanted me to provide my own workers comp insurance, and to be license and bonded.

 

[Train]

It's clear none of the libtards responding to this thread even watched the video.

Free climbing is strictly prohibited, yet is the #1 cause of death of all the accidents studied.

Safety regulations mean shit if the worker isn't following them.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Another part of the problem is the sub-contractors.

Companies do not want to pay their own people to do the work, so they sub-contract the work out.

When you have 100, 200, 300 people applying for a job, the workers have nothing to bargain with.

Besides labor laws, companies have issues with their works insurance just like we face with our car insurance. Worker gets hurt on the job, insurance rates go up. Insurance rates cut into profits.

Part of the problem is companies offloading the responsibility of workers comp insurance to sub-contractors.

It also isolates the corporations from liability. Which I think is bullshit.

 

[Ketchup]

High unemployment rates are inevitable during the low points of the business cycle. Worker safety laws only go away when conservative nihilists do away with them.

You actually think labor safety laws are going to be done away with?

And I love the 'use the (illegal) Mexicans' idea. There should be a clause that allows this for dangerous jobs.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You actually think labor safety laws are going to be done away with?

And I love the 'use the (illegal) Mexicans' idea. There should be a clause that allows this for dangerous jobs.

Because their lives are worth less than yours?

Wow, I can't believe someone would actually say something like that.

 

[preslove]

You actually think labor safety laws are going to be done away with?

What labor safety laws we've had have been disappearing for the last 30 years.

And I love the 'use the (illegal) Mexicans' idea. There should be a clause that allows this for dangerous jobs.

You are a disgusting piece of shit.

 

[Texashiker]

They have been disappearing for the last 30 years.

Give us an example.

When was the last time you worked a dangerous job?

 

[Ketchup]

Because their lives are worth less than yours?

Wow, I can't believe someone would actually say something like that.

Um, no. It was partially in jest, because now that this article (aka secret) has come out, every liberal in OT is going to come in here and say that these jobs are a death sentence, so your comment is not a surprise at all.

Please.

 

[SillyOReilly]

Another part of the problem is the sub-contractors.

Companies do not want to pay their own people to do the work, so they sub-contract the work out.

When you have 100, 200, 300 people applying for a job, the workers have nothing to bargain with.

Besides labor laws, companies have issues with their works insurance just like we face with our car insurance. Worker gets hurt on the job, insurance rates go up. Insurance rates cut into profits.

Part of the problem is companies offloading the responsibility of workers comp insurance to sub-contractors.




Worker safety laws are skirted when you start dealing with sub-contractors.

About a decade ago I worked as a sub-contractor for a sub-contractor. The people I was doing the work for wanted me to provide my own workers comp insurance, and to be license and bonded.

What's so retarded is when a company contracts someone for 100k for example.
Shit, I can find a moron that will do that job for 50K so I'll pocket 50K for doing nothing but finding a moron to do the job.
Shit, I can find a moron that will do the same job for 30K so I'll pocket 20 with my only work is doing nothing but finding someone to do my job.

 

[rh71]

they say nearly at the beginning that the job attracts certain types of individuals. So why are we surprised they would free climb and not tie off? Or just people generally unworried about safety.

Around the 16min mark, a direct quote from the cousin/co-worker of one of the dead... "he enjoyed it, i mean it gave him a rush that was unreal. Jay, he loved his job." He was "horsing around, his coworkers on the ground cheering him on". Autopsy showed he had recently smoked marijuana.

Sad, he had 2 young kids, 1 a newborn. The wife mentions the cell companies should be held accountable. The turf vendors who hire these sub contractors are making a huge profit from the cell company, probably because they are promising to meet these deadlines. And you have these yahoos monkeying around at 200ft. So who are the ones ultimately accountable?

@27:30 fatalities decreased, workload increased.

Hire the right people.

 

[Texashiker]

they say nearly at the beginning that the job attracts certain types of individuals. So why are we surprised they would free climb and not tie off?

Where should the blame be placed? On the employee who did not tie off? On the company for not enforcing safety rules?

If someone knowingly breaks a safety rule, and gets injured, they must share the responsibility for their injury.

But it is also the supervisors responsibility to make sure the employees are following safety rules.

Most companies have some kind of control in place to make sure sub-contractors are following safety rules.

 

[seepy83]

I only had time to watch the first 10 mins of this, but this problem is so easily solved that it shouldn't even be a problem to begin with. Safety is everyone's responsibility, but this all ultimately comes down to the risks that the tower climbers themselves are willing to take. If they, as a whole, are not willing to free climb, then the fatality rate will drop significantly. They won't be able to meet the cell carrier's deadlines, but so what? Tell the corporate penny pinchers at the cell carrier to go pound sand. They can set more realistic project timelines. I understand that the entire industry of people that do this type of work would need to agree to make safety a priority (because otherwise all the work would go to the contractors that are willing to sacrifice safety to get the job done faster), and that's a difficult goal to accomplish. But it's really all up to the guy climbing that tower...either he uses his harness or he doesn't.

 

[sixone]

I only had time to watch the first 10 mins of this, but this problem is so easily solved that it shouldn't even be a problem to begin with. Safety is everyone's responsibility, but this all ultimately comes down to the risks that the tower climbers themselves are willing to take. If they, as a whole, are not willing to free climb, then the fatality rate will drop significantly. They won't be able to meet the cell carrier's deadlines, but so what? Tell the corporate penny pinchers at the cell carrier to go pound sand. They can set more realistic project timelines. I understand that the entire industry of people that do this type of work would need to agree to make safety a priority (because otherwise all the work would go to the contractors that are willing to sacrifice safety to get the job done faster), and that's a difficult goal to accomplish. But it's really all up to the guy climbing that tower...either he uses his harness or he doesn't.

Are you advocating personal responsibility? How dare you. 🙄

 

[Ketchup]

Exactly, the company put forward what appear to be good safety rules. If they choose not to follow them, what responsibility should the company have?

I hate it that this guy died, but man, what did he think would happen?

 

[boomerang]

Conservatives pretty much long for the days when there were no safety regulations and little children were allowed to work long hours with dangerous equipment, losing life and limb.

Where did you hear that from? Don't tell me you know the secret handshake too?

Can't keep anything a secret these days...

 

[Vic Vega]

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[Lifted]

It's clear none of the libtards responding to this thread even watched the video.

Free climbing is strictly prohibited, yet is the #1 cause of death of all the accidents studied.

Safety regulations mean shit if the worker isn't following them.

It must be the "libtards" who are hiring pizza delivery boys with no training, being supervised by foreman with a few months experience, to climb up 250' towers in order to install the latest in high tech telecom gear so AT&T can make billions in profit each year.

You sir, are a genius.

 

[Train]

It must be the "libtards" who are hiring pizza delivery boys with no training, being supervised by foreman with a few months experience, to climb up 250' towers in order to install the latest in high tech telecom gear so AT&T can make billions in profit each year.

You sir, are a genius.

It's also clear YOU didn't watch the video.

You make it sound as if they workers didnt KNOW about safety requirements. They did, they ACTIVELY chose to ignore the requirements.

 

[Lifted]

It's also clear YOU didn't watch the video.

You make it sound as if they workers didnt KNOW about safety requirements. They did, they ACTIVELY chose to ignore the requirements.

I feel bad for you. The video wasn't difficult to follow, and the points were clearly laid out, yet it still appears to have gone largely over your head.

Safety requirements are meaningless if the workers have no experience, no training, and inadequate supervision.

That was the point. This is why OSHA exists.

Let it sink in a bit before you come back to tell us the $10/hr 18 year old pizza delivery boys should known better before joking around in dangerous situations.

 

[Train]

I feel bad for you. The video wasn't difficult to follow, and the points were clearly laid out, yet it still appears to have gone largely over your head.

Safety requirements are meaningless if the workers have no experience, no training, and inadequate supervision.

That was the point. This is why OSHA exists.

Let it sink in a bit before you come back to tell us the $10/hr 18 year old pizza delivery boys should known better before joking around in dangerous situations.

lol. You're a fucking retard to the nth degree. I feel bad for you, because you always want to point the finger at someone else.

And here it is:

$10/hr 18 year old pizza delivery boys should known better before joking around in dangerous situations




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