While some may argue that marijuana is not addictive, let's try to understand that the root of all addiction is a need for emotional escape. People who don't like the way they feel, want to feel differently. Some have the coping skills to deal with life, while others don't. (BTW, skills are learned) While marijuana may not be "physically addictive", it can serve as an escape, making the escape addicting, hence an addiction to marijuana. Am I making sense yet?
There has been .08 here for a long time. What is wrong with that? I can't see driving drunk anyhow. What is the point? Are you God or something. You have had 2 DUIs yet you are bitching that the MAN is changing the legally allowable BAC to .08. Ok.
You have reached a point that you need to stop drinking bud. You can't handle it.
Evan, all they can attack is the text in this thread, written by my bot. They cannot attack me, as this is just a forum.
Jesus....you are killing me!!! I could live out the entirety of my life at .08 BAC and never once indicate that I have any impairment. You are just another tyrannical control freak who has decided that 2 beers at a cocktail party is too much for you...thus it must be too much for everyone else!!!!!!
Get the hell out of my life you Mad Mother!!!! I have never hurt anyone but myself...and YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE ME!!!! I'll decide when I go to bed. I'll decide when I wake up...I'll decide who I sleep with..I'll decide what we do in bed...I'll decide what we do/don't smoke..I'll decide how much I drink!!!!!
I am concerned about .08 BAC because every blue haired Granny who goes to wine and cheese at the Museum will be a criminal!!!! Oh my, every cop that has a little badgy thing attached to the license plate of their personal vehicle....if I'm weaving, leave me alone..I'm a cop also!!
All you can do is attack me...but I have to pee........................whatever!!!
Get the hell out of my life you Mad Mother!!!! I have never hurt anyone but myself...and YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE ME!!!! I'll decide when I go to bed. I'll decide when I wake up...I'll decide who I sleep with..I'll decide what we do in bed...I'll decide what we do/don't smoke..I'll decide how much I drink!!!!!
I am concerned about .08 BAC because every blue haired Granny who goes to wine and cheese at the Museum will be a criminal!!!! Oh my, every cop that has a little badgy thing attached to the license plate of their personal vehicle....if I'm weaving, leave me alone..I'm a cop also!!
All you can do is attack me...but I have to pee........................whatever!!!
Yeah you have two DUIs and you have never hurt anyone YET. Sorry but I have no tolerance for drunk drivers and that is not a personal attack one bit. My dislike for drunk drivers is an all encompassing ideal that I have. I hold no ill will towards someone who has gotten and DUI and gotten smart. Someone that habitually gets DUIs and refuses help doesn't make our roads any safer.
Try not to kill anyone tonight.
I don't have any regrets for initially calling him a moron.
zap, checkout the referrals from www.health.org or have your friend check out an AA or other free services. TAA meeting will help with the chemical abuse, but there are deeper problems than just the substance abuse
zap, checkout the referrals from www.health.org or have your friend check out an AA or other free services. TAA meeting will help with the chemical abuse, but there are deeper problems than just the substance abuse
Eh, I guess I stand alone on my thoughts.
Some of the best years of my life (so far) were on LSD n tweak. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, beats a good speedball followed by a rum n coke. Ah, and do you have any idea what kind of intellectually stimulating talks one can have after being up for like 30 hours and stuck in the dead of night with nothing to do? Or dropping 3 hits of good acid (On a side, trust me kiddies, anyone who eats 20 or 30 hits isnt "The man", their simply eatin bad acid. Thats why it takes 20 or 30) and goin to the park. Pop a few Valium or Xanax and head out to the clubs.
Ok, I'm not encouraging drug use. I'm not saying GO use drugs, its fun! But, for ME, I had a damned good time with drugs. And I quit without rehab or court orders. All it took was a child. As such, family has replaced drugs. Drugs were fun. My family is fun. I moved on.
As such, I cant tell you to help get your friend off drugs. I learned too much (I know the weights n measures of the metric system inside n out ) I CAN however encourage you to help your friend with her other problems, such as depression or whatever else she may have.
Live n learn baby. Live n learn.
Some of the best years of my life (so far) were on LSD n tweak. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, beats a good speedball followed by a rum n coke. Ah, and do you have any idea what kind of intellectually stimulating talks one can have after being up for like 30 hours and stuck in the dead of night with nothing to do? Or dropping 3 hits of good acid (On a side, trust me kiddies, anyone who eats 20 or 30 hits isnt "The man", their simply eatin bad acid. Thats why it takes 20 or 30) and goin to the park. Pop a few Valium or Xanax and head out to the clubs.
Ok, I'm not encouraging drug use. I'm not saying GO use drugs, its fun! But, for ME, I had a damned good time with drugs. And I quit without rehab or court orders. All it took was a child. As such, family has replaced drugs. Drugs were fun. My family is fun. I moved on.
As such, I cant tell you to help get your friend off drugs. I learned too much (I know the weights n measures of the metric system inside n out
) I CAN however encourage you to help your friend with her other problems, such as depression or whatever else she may have. Live n learn baby. Live n learn.
the hardest thing that i'm goin to have to do is to try to make her go to her counselor. she's willing to quit, but not willing to see her counselor. o btw she also smokes ciggies. i fear if dont help her now, she may die soon. She claims that most ppl only know she smokes weed, but she does all that other stuff i mention. <sigh>.....
Zap, I have read through this entire thread. I only wish that I had seen it before it got so controversial. The drugs are her problem, first. Other things may be underlining problems, but she will never deal with them until the drugs are out of her system. I'll give you my advise first and then explain why. Go to Text Na.org and hit on the NA meeting search (top center of page). Find a meeting near you and go. If you can get her to go with you, great, but you go. Then you can tell her that it isn't that bad. While you are there pick up a meeting schedule. Many schedules have the type of meeting listed along with the dates and times. Find one thatd right for her and go to the one as soon as possible. I know that we have high school students with multiple years clean in NA. She doesn't have to be alone
My history (in short form) is simple. Two DUI, 2 in patient rehabs, 2out-patient, now over 10 years clean in NA. Good luck Zap. If she wants to quit, she can. Lynn
My history (in short form) is simple. Two DUI, 2 in patient rehabs, 2out-patient, now over 10 years clean in NA. Good luck Zap. If she wants to quit, she can. Lynn
Tell her if she ever wants help, you will be there for her. Tell her that you see that she has a major problem and you are concerned for her. Then get out of her way and wait for her to hit bottom. Hopefully her bottom isnt death.
this is an update: she now tells me that she is goin to quit everything except weed. she is still goin to continue to smoke weed. waht now?
If she is an addict, using any substance will continue the addiction. I know the arguement that weed isn't addicting and for most people it isn't. But for an addict, any mood altering substance is addicting. IF she is an addict, this attempt at control will fail. However this may allow her to reach her bottom, and then recovery becomes possible. You can explore some of the avenues for help that are available so that you know where and what thay are for when she is ready. Lynn
If what she says is true, then I wouldn't worry. But, I have a hard time believing she can simply quit cold turkey like this. Keep a close eye on her...
Ya sure go with that. It seems to be working great for chrisjor!
That's like a drunk saying that he'll stop drinking the hard stuff and just drink beer.
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Well, i agree seeing a neutral third party counselor is a good thing. That said, HS or JHS counselors are NOT neutral third parties. example: if you go to your school counselor and tell them that you're having family problems, and they find out that, say, your father is hitting you, they are REQUIRED BY LAW to inform the police. Drug abuse is treated in much the same way. If you must go talk to the counselor, MAKE SURE you tell them that the person you're talking about lives far away, in another state. Also MAKE DAMN SURE that the counselor doesn't get the idea in their head that "the person" you're concerned about is yourself. That'll cause major annoyances for you, and will also likely let the cat out of the bag.
A third party counselor (usually costs money, unfortunately) will likely not be 'tied down' by these requirements, as they are not a government employee. They may be able to help you more/better than a school counselor for this reason.
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Also, if your friend truly does quit everything else besides marijuana/shrooms/acid, i would say don't worry about her. Some of those other drugs are pretty dangerous, and pretty easy to overdose on. Liquid G (Gamma HydroxyButyrate, or GHB) comes in various concentrations (a capful of one kind may be equal to a drop (or a pint) of another) and is often fatal/coma inducing in high doses. Cocaine is very addictive and expensive, and is also easy to overdose on. DXM will, in high doses, cause coma and brain damage (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health1.shtml).
Marijuana is a good drug to be 'addicted' to (if you can call it that, heh
), because in and of itself you cannot overdose on it. a 100lb human would have to smoke literally like 500lb of marijuana in an hour to reach the LD50 of THC. obviously smoking (anything) is bad for you, and will cause problems over time (an alternative is eating butter after sauteeing marijuana in it for about 5 minutes). Shrooms and acid are both similar to marijuana in that a lethal dose is VERY high, or nonexistant. however, these drugs posess the potential to REALLY fvck up your brain if used improperly. As well, with shrooms and acid, because a normal dose gets you so out of whack with reality, the possibility exists to have a bad 'trip' and do something stupid to kill yourself (jump off a bridge or run in front of a train or something). The drugs themselves arent inherently harmful to your body, its what you do when on them that can be bad for you. A sober or very experienced babysitter helps very much to prevent bad things from happening, and is always a prudent idea.
www.erowid.org is a great and very helpful website for obtaining no-government-bullshit information about drugs/plants/chemicals.
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I also agree with the ppl who said that 'it's the escape thats addictive, not the drug.'. Anyone who tells me that MARIJUANA is addictive, is wrong.
Drugs can't be psychologically (mentally) addictive, only physically addictive. Similarly, altered states of perception can't be physically addictive, only psychologically (mentally) addictive.
The fact that the drugs cause the altered state of perception obviously link the two together. But they are completely different addictions with completely different causes and treatments.
Altered reality may be addictive, but Marijuana is not.
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ok- i think i've said my peace.
ebaycj
chrisjor
Sorry to hear of the problems you have faced. But 1. other people are not all the same as you. And 2. The girl knows she is addicted to weed. In my humble opinion, she knows herself better than you know her. So kindly stop trying to be a knowitall when in this case it seems the only thing you know a bit more than nothing about is your own experience.
For the record, I've never done weed. Nor any other drug. I've never faced substance abuse problems. But perhaps you could learn something from my post regardless.
being where she is, i seriously doubt it. if she hasn't gotton any help, she probably isnt clean. it is A LOT harder to put that stuff down than you may believe, even if she has good willpower. tell her to go to NA or rehab before she self destructs.
Such ignorance
Last time I checked beer and liquor were the same drug. Weed, GHB and cocaine are all extremely different.
tweakmm,
If your brain wasn't so damn burned out from all that weed, maybe you could comprehend a statement.
If your brain wasn't so damn burned out from all that weed, maybe you could comprehend a statement.
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