Friend of a friend committed suicide yesterday

[OinkBoink]

If committing suicide is 'loser-ish', giving birth to children is just as 'loser-ish' and selfish .

What gives you the right to bring another life onto this planet? A life that has to go through so many trials and tribulations. Don't you do that for selfish reasons too? Do people get the consent of their future children before giving birth to them?


Fact of the matter is, it's one's own body and one's own life. If they aren't happy with it, they have every right to terminate it.

Although, I do agree that if a person has given birth to children, leaving them with no shelter and aid would not be a nice thing to do.

 

[OverVolt]

A few lucky fvckers here, really lucky to either have never been depressed or come in contact with a depressed person to say things like "no sympathy". Either that or extremely dense and lacking empathy at a level that borders psychopathy.

Sympathy really just enables them. Only one person can fight the problem and that is the person with depression. Someone who is sympathetic and can guide them through it is a good idea but just straight sympathy is a no-no.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't know why you guys buy into the bullshit to such an extent. If the common view of depression was the best view, then why is it so prevalent & increasing?

I laid it our pretty succinct because that is just the mood I'm in right now. Depression is from helplessness. No, you can't willpower your way out and I understand that, but you can take control and that will directly get rid of the depression. It's an ugly path and you will have to awkwardly bite, chew, claw and fight your way out but you can do it. It is a process. Facing your fears is a good starting point.

What bullshit? You said that it's "giving up without a fight". I would like to know how you know whether someone tried to "fight". And you need to elaborate the difference between "willpower your way out" and "take control".

 

[ShawnD1]

A few lucky fvckers here, really lucky to either have never been depressed or come in contact with a depressed person to say things like "no sympathy". Either that or extremely dense and lacking empathy at a level that borders psychopathy.

sandeagle lives in a van down by the river and he has no friends. How do you expect him to know anyone who had depression?!?!

Anyhoo, I knew one guy who killed himself. I won't go into details with it here but he left a young daughter behind. I never felt any anger toward what he did, just sadness.

It sucks he didn't get medication on time. I was extremely tired and unmotivated all the time (similar to atypical depression) until I got on medication. Now I work hard, I have friends, I do stuff, I enjoy things, and life is great. If you know anyone who is depressed, tell them to get medication. Don't waste time with psychologists. Psychology is all bullshit; psychiatry is the real deal.

 

[OverVolt]

I'm not a fan of the meds but to each their own. How do you get off the meds once you start? lol.

 

[yhelothar]

I was pretty depressed. I felt empty inside, had a lot of negative, self-conscious thoughts that went on and on that I couldn't control. Things I was interested in was no longer interesting.

After trying many many ways to get out of it, I discovered carbs. And I was alone either. Many have coped by gorging on a tub of Ben n Jerrys. Conventional wisdom demonizes this type of coping, portraying it as reckless escapism that uses quick fixes that inevitably transforms one into the Michelin man. However, with the explosion of neuroscience in the past decade, we now know that the soothing effects of these decadent desserts are not merely due to its sinfully delicious nature, but rather the nutritional content. Carbohydrates activates a cascade of chemicals in the brain that mimics what doctors attempt to do when they prescribe antidepressants. Thus, armed with this knowledge, one can take healthier routes in battling their woes before resorting to drugs that lead to dependency and harmful side-effects.

I first began eating full well balanced meals with plenty of nutrients from all of the food groups 3 times a day. I then snacked on carbs(usually something low-fat, such as some nutella/crackers or granola bar) as needed when the negative thoughts started kicking in. This gives instant relief to the negative thoughts and allows me to tackle life in a much more constructive way.

 

[Bignate603]

I'm not a fan of the meds but to each their own. How do you get off the meds once you start? lol.

lol all you want but for many the meds let them get things under control enough that they can sort things out in their life.

 

[yhelothar]

I'm not a fan of the meds but to each their own. How do you get off the meds once you start? lol.

I would use meds as a last resort after having tried many things. There are many other ways to enhance your brain's serotonin functioning without resorting to medication that have negative side effects and dependency issues.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I would use meds as a last resort after having tried many things. There are many other ways to enhance your brain's serotonin functioning without resorting to medication that have negative side effects and dependency issues.

300mg (two 150mg doses at once) Buproprin SR will turn your world upside down.... :whiste:

 

[purbeast0]

it's pathetic and sad how people can get so butt hurt over people having different opinions than them.

making comments like 'i hope you fucking die' based on an opinion.

 

[Ronstang]

I think the crappy way kids are raised these days has an affect on their propensity for suicide. Kids being told they a are a "rare and special flower" and playing sports where everyone plays and there are no winners is a recipe for disaster because the real world simply does not work that way. The school systems are not helping either. K-12 and College have both been dumbed down too much over the decades. We are releasing kids into the world with little ability to cope with the realities we have hidden from them for 22+ years.

 

[Bignate603]

it's pathetic and sad how people can get so butt hurt over people having different opinions than them.

making comments like 'i hope you fucking die' based on an opinion.

You can have an opinion without shoving it in someone's face when they're going through a tough time.

 

[purbeast0]

You can have an opinion without shoving it in someone's face when they're going through a tough time.

umm ... ok?

 

[MustangSVT]

it's pathetic and sad how people can get so butt hurt over people having different opinions than them.

making comments like 'i hope you fucking die' based on an opinion.

agree.

 

[skyking]

Those of you who have this need to post about a lack of sympathy, step back and think about it.
The dead person is not going to feel a thing. They don't care about sympathy, they are gone.
The sympathy that people express is for the living, the friends of the deceased.
Like the OP did above for his friend.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

Real depression is overwhelming. You cant work, think, sleep or eat. Not until you get some resolution with your probelms or start to see the bright side again. Prayer helped me a lot.

Did you take anything or just let time do the trick?

You're telling me, I went from a 3.86 in engineering to a 2.5. I also went down one, almost two pants sizes without doing any exercise. I went to an IOP and just being around people who simply understand what you're saying without judging you for it helped immensely. I think that's one of the key things about telling someone else about your issues, you might end up withholding some things merely because you don't want them to think you're some psychotic freak who needs to be institutionalized. None of my family or friends understood the first time I told them, they just told me to buck up and that I didn't have any reason to feel depressed.

I was trying to let time do the trick. It did the trick for the past five or six years I can recall feeling this way about life. But I just couldn't get over the last episode, so I started taking meds. But they were doing jack shit for me, so I voluntarily stopped.

Maybe I'm overly emotional about the subject, but it irritates me to see others brush it off like it's some sort of cold. God forbid they have children who experience it.

 

[OverVolt]

You're telling me, I went from a 3.86 in engineering to a 2.5. I also went down one, almost two pants sizes without doing any exercise. I went to an IOP and just being around people who simply understand what you're saying without judging you for it helped immensely. I think that's one of the key things about telling someone else about your issues, you might end up withholding some things merely because you don't want them to think you're some psychotic freak who needs to be institutionalized. None of my family or friends understood the first time I told them, they just told me to buck up and that I didn't have any reason to feel depressed.

I was trying to let time do the trick. It did the trick for the past five or six years I can recall feeling this way about life. But I just couldn't get over the last episode, so I started taking meds. But they were doing jack shit for me, so I voluntarily stopped.

Maybe I'm overly emotional about the subject, but it irritates me to see others brush it off like it's some sort of cold. God forbid they have children who experience it.

I did and you'd be surprised how much wisdom can be packed into a short sentence. Depressed people humdrum on and on and on and on. Some of those short succinct one-liners are actually correct.

Just take your problems and keep trying to cut them down in length and you'll eventually find the root of the problem like "Engineering is really hard and I had a hard time coping with it and my family was forcing me into the program so I felt helpless" and then you can choose "Give it all I've got and fight for good grades" or "Take control of this clusterfuck and change majors"

 

[chubbyfatazn]

I did and you'd be surprised how much wisdom can be packed into a short sentence. Depressed people humdrum on and on and on and on. Some of those short succinct one-liners are actually correct.

Just take your problems and keep trying to cut them down in length and you'll eventually find the root of the problem like "Engineering is really hard and I had a hard time coping with it and my family was forcing me into the program so I felt helpless" and then you can choose "Give it all I've got and fight for good grades" or "Take control of this clusterfuck and change majors"

I guess you're saying I humdrum on and on, eh? 🙂 I tend to write longer because I don't really tell those close enough to me what's going on in my mind. I've tried, but they just don't get it. It's always "more meds" or "go find another psychiatrist."

The root problem isn't really school, it's just what's been severely impacted. But I know I can handle it, I did it for four semesters before. I just have to sort out my shit first.

 

[ShawnD1]

I think the crappy way kids are raised these days has an affect on their propensity for suicide. Kids being told they a are a "rare and special flower"

This is definitely true. While there's still a medical component to depression, constantly lying to kids makes it so much worse. The first 18 years are smooth sailing where people are forced to tolerate you, then the rug is pulled out and you're forced to compete against people. It's total shell shock. Not every brain can tolerate being kicked around like that.

I was trying to let time do the trick. It did the trick for the past five or six years I can recall feeling this way about life. But I just couldn't get over the last episode, so I started taking meds. But they were doing jack shit for me, so I voluntarily stopped.

I was down in the dumps for about 10 years. It never goes away. Exercise does nothing, having a job does nothing, "think positive" does nothing. Only medication worked, and it takes far more than doctors are willing to give out. A doctor bitched at me because I plowed through 30 days work of medication in 10 days.

 

[Modelworks]

I'm not a fan of the meds but to each their own. How do you get off the meds once you start? lol.

Why would you need to get off the medication ? This is the problem with society and mental illness . Do you ask a diabetic when they are going to quit taking insulin ? Of course not and the same is true for mental health issues. Some people have a chemical imbalance and the medication fixes that. Anti-depressants do not make you high or take the problems away, they merely prevent the body from using up all the chemicals needed for communication between brain cells, chemicals, that when lacking, lead to a communication breakdown causing depression.

Mental illness problems are on a huge rise in the USA. Thanks to government that wants to keep cutting back and that is doing more harm than many realize. For example, in NC, the number of beds in psychiatric hospitals is so low that patients are sent from Charlotte to New Bern for treatment, that is a 3 hour drive one way. NC cut funding for local mental health clinics, costing the closure of hundreds of providers. Medicaid cut funding on some name brand psychiatric medications due to cost. The number of tragedies that can be prevented by just promoting mental health and giving people hope is huge and in a time where employment is a problem it is the worst time to cut back on support.

 

[ShawnD1]

Anti-depressants do not make you high

Mine do! My behavior is a lot more random and high energy if I take 300mg of bupropion instead of the prescribed 150.
Taking ~160mg of citalopram (an SSRI) in a day feels a lot like an MDMA high, but with more negative side effects. I feel compelled to talk to people, I ask more personal questions and share more personal stories, dogs and children like me a lot more for no apparent reason (I probably seem more relaxed), and I feel more creative. When I start writing a journal entry, I put the title last because I don't know where my thoughts will go. I started an entry on saturday about drinking with friends and it ended up focused on how I acquired a stuffed animal. High is the only word that accurately describes this effect. It's nice because I can get more of my ideas down on paper, leaving fewer things on my mind. It doesn't feel like I need to think about stuff if I've already written it down and worked it out.
Keeping a journal really helps, but I have nothing personal to write in the journal unless I'm high on citalopram.

or take the problems away

Mine do. I'm on bupropion because it keeps my body and mind alert. I don't randomly fall asleep or randomly feel tired anymore. My brain likes to power itself down if it's not being used, so I can go from very excited to sleeping within 5 minutes if all stimulation stops. On bupropion, I can stay awake even when someone who is not an attractive woman is trying to talk to me.

I step into a room full of strangers and I feel the way a person feels when they're running away from a tiger - extreme anxiety. Taking 20mg of citalopram (half a pill), immediately stops that. If I take too much citalopram, it calms me down to the point where I'm somewhat withdrawn from the situation and I blankly stare at nothing. Apparently a lot of people get the same effect, because people bitch about SSRI medications making them zombie-like. That just means they took too much at that time, probably because their retarded doctor told them to take it at the same time every day even though people obviously don't have anxiety attacks at the exact same time every day.

they merely prevent the body from using up all the chemicals needed for communication between brain cells, chemicals, that when lacking, lead to a communication breakdown causing depression.

Actually it's the other way around. Drugs that boost neurotransmitter activity tend to blow through all of your reserves. Studies have confirmed this many times over. Taking SSRIs causes the brain to blow through serotonin at a much higher rate. Same with cocaine and dopamine, crystal meth and dopamine, MDMA and serotonin, barbiturates and GABA, etc. When you're on medication (or illegal drugs), you need to eat more food and take more vitamins; mainly vitamins B and C.

 

[highland145]

RIP

 

[Brovane]

I am sorry to hear about another suicide. In 2007 my step-brother committed suicide by hanging himself. Since I hadn't talked to him in a while I don't know his exact mental state at the end. He did have several mental issues and was on medication to help stablize himself. I have forgiven him years ago for what he did.

 

[Modelworks]

High is the only word that accurately describes this effect. It's nice because I can get more of my ideas down on paper, leaving fewer things on my mind. It doesn't feel like I need to think about stuff if I've already written it down and worked it out.
Keeping a journal really helps, but I have nothing personal to write in the journal unless I'm high on citalopram.

That isn't high, that is what it feels like to be normal. Nothing you described is n't something that normal people do every day.

Mine do. I'm on bupropion because it keeps my body and mind alert. I don't randomly fall asleep or randomly feel tired anymore. My brain likes to power itself down if it's not being used, so I can go from very excited to sleeping within 5 minutes if all stimulation stops. On bupropion, I can stay awake even when someone who is not an attractive woman is trying to talk to me.

Again, that is something that normal people experience.

I step into a room full of strangers and I feel the way a person feels when they're running away from a tiger - extreme anxiety. Taking 20mg of citalopram (half a pill), immediately stops that. If I take too much citalopram, it calms me down to the point where I'm somewhat withdrawn from the situation and I blankly stare at nothing. Apparently a lot of people get the same effect, because people bitch about SSRI medications making them zombie-like.

Everyone has a different experience with medications. The two drugs you take do absolutely nothing for me. I can take bupropion and I might as have taken an aspirin, zero effect to me. That doesn't mean they don't work, it just wasn't the right drug for me. Currently I take effexor, remeron, suboxone because I have really bad major depression but this keeps it manageable, I struggled through 20 + years of hell to find that combo taking everything else in the book all were failures for me but that doesn't mean it will not help someone else.

Actually it's the other way around. Drugs that boost neurotransmitter activity tend to blow through all of your reserves. Studies have confirmed this many times over. Taking SSRIs causes the brain to blow through serotonin at a much higher rate. .

SSRI are reuptake inhibitors like their name says. They prevent the brain from wasting the serotonin that is present. It is thought that depressed brains discard of the old serotonin whenever new is detected rather than keeping it for usage by the brain cells. The SSRI block this action allowing the serotonin to stay around longer. SSRI do not change the rate that your brain uses serotonin they merely prevent the waste of it. They don't add anything to what your brain already produces, that is the difference in an anti-depressant and something like cocaine. Cocaine mimics the chemicals in the brain and attaches to the receptors.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

I was down in the dumps for about 10 years. It never goes away. Exercise does nothing, having a job does nothing, "think positive" does nothing. Only medication worked, and it takes far more than doctors are willing to give out. A doctor bitched at me because I plowed through 30 days work of medication in 10 days.

I exercised because it took my mind off of whatever was going on that day. It made me so tired (I did it right after around dinner time) that I would just go to sleep not long after. And it kept my insomnia mostly at bay.

Maybe I haven't found the right medication yet. Was taking 40mg of citalopram a day, but I still have about two weeks worth left since I stopped a while ago.