French mag photographs resistance shooting down DHL plane

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: alchemize
It never ceases to amaze me to all the YABB's who cry "morally bankrupt", "evil", "we are the invaders"....but when it comes to something as cut and dried as denouncing a terrorist attack on a commercial airliner, it just pains them to no end to even draw the thinnest line of morality, and think of all measure of excuses of why what they were doing was just and moral and good. Those who beat their chest and moan "what about the iraqi civilians", but then claim to "support the troops".

I have a question for all you YABB "troop supporters" out there. What value do you put on the life of an American Soldier? Is it the same as any other life? Or when you say "you support the troops", this means Saddam's? Because you CANNOT support the troops without understanding that means the troops will have to take the lives of others, and yes sometimes the lives of civilians.

you are a funny guy

they are photojournalists
got it. they are just doing their job. This has nothing to do with morals.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: alchemize It never ceases to amaze me to all the YABB's who cry "morally bankrupt", "evil", "we are the invaders"....but when it comes to something as cut and dried as denouncing a terrorist attack on a commercial airliner, it just pains them to no end to even draw the thinnest line of morality, and think of all measure of excuses of why what they were doing was just and moral and good. Those who beat their chest and moan "what about the iraqi civilians", but then claim to "support the troops". I have a question for all you YABB "troop supporters" out there. What value do you put on the life of an American Soldier? Is it the same as any other life? Or when you say "you support the troops", this means Saddam's? Because you CANNOT support the troops without understanding that means the troops will have to take the lives of others, and yes sometimes the lives of civilians.

The reporters reporting were being denounced.

by whom?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Anyone actually see any of the damage assesment pictures of the DHL Cargo-Liner ?

Lucky - can you host some ?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: alchemize It never ceases to amaze me to all the YABB's who cry "morally bankrupt", "evil", "we are the invaders"....but when it comes to something as cut and dried as denouncing a terrorist attack on a commercial airliner, it just pains them to no end to even draw the thinnest line of morality, and think of all measure of excuses of why what they were doing was just and moral and good. Those who beat their chest and moan "what about the iraqi civilians", but then claim to "support the troops". I have a question for all you YABB "troop supporters" out there. What value do you put on the life of an American Soldier? Is it the same as any other life? Or when you say "you support the troops", this means Saddam's? Because you CANNOT support the troops without understanding that means the troops will have to take the lives of others, and yes sometimes the lives of civilians.

The reporters reporting were being denounced.

by whom?

Hmm, good question. Just re-read the thread and saw that perhaps it wasn't directly stated only assumed by some, including myself. Relentless French bashing taking it's toll.

 

[tnitsuj]

As to the status of this DHL plane. DHL is a commercial entity, but as we well know the US military is relying heavily on private companies for logistical needs.


Are civillians working for the military legitimate targets in a war zone? The US military and any military has always attacked the enemies logistical capability from the Ho Chi Minh trail (probably tens of thousands of civillian porters/truck drivers/ etc. killed to Iraqi Bridges, tankers, merchant ships, etc in Gulf War 1 and 2. I dont' see how this is an atrocity or any different from say an imbedded reporter.

Now if a reporter was going along with the bombing of the Red Cross or the UN, that is definately unnacceptable, but I haven't seen anything like that from Western or Arab Media.



This cargo jet although belonging to DHL is I am pretty sure under contract to the US military or the CPA. The airport isn't open to commercial passenger traffic or commercial cargo yet.

from dw-world

The threat of missile attacks has thus far kept officials from reopening Baghdad Airport for commercial passenger service, despite interim Transport Minister Behnam Polis? request that it be opened for traffic.

Managing the logistics of occupation

Nonetheless, the U.S. military has relied heavily on DHL?s fleet of Airbus A-300, Antonov AN-12 and Boeing 727 aircraft to deliver equipment, mail and other essentials to Iraq. DHL is one of the largest mail and supplies delivery contractors for the U.S. military in Iraq, with multiple daily flights into Baghdad carrying as much as 50 tons of daily letters between soldiers and their families.

There are currently 110 flights into Baghdad each day ? 70 official or military and 40 civilian or cargo jets, according to the news wire Agence France Presse.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: alchemize It never ceases to amaze me to all the YABB's who cry "morally bankrupt", "evil", "we are the invaders"....but when it comes to something as cut and dried as denouncing a terrorist attack on a commercial airliner, it just pains them to no end to even draw the thinnest line of morality, and think of all measure of excuses of why what they were doing was just and moral and good. Those who beat their chest and moan "what about the iraqi civilians", but then claim to "support the troops". I have a question for all you YABB "troop supporters" out there. What value do you put on the life of an American Soldier? Is it the same as any other life? Or when you say "you support the troops", this means Saddam's? Because you CANNOT support the troops without understanding that means the troops will have to take the lives of others, and yes sometimes the lives of civilians.

The reporters reporting were being denounced.

by whom?

Hmm, good question. Just re-read the thread and saw that perhaps it wasn't directly stated only assumed by some, including myself. Relentless French bashing taking it's toll.

I thought you were suggesting the reporters were getting hammered in the media, which I haven't read (nor have I read this story elsewhere tho.) I'm never surprised to hear french bashing here. However those are the same people who thought it was cool to use the term freedom fries, as if we actually liberated someone lately.

 

[P.O.W.]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: KK
Did that plane crash?

KK

no, it did an emergency landing

not bad for an unarmed airliner that got shot at twice by sophisticated missiles.

 

[alchemize]

Kirk:

Here's a shot I found of it in-flight (taken by the illustrious French Journalists)

Linl

If you can tolerate the flash and the french, lots of pictures at www.parismatch.com

 

[Miramonti]

http:// i.xanga.com/dissidentfrogman/pm2.jpg

nice pic tho.

 

[alchemize]

I'm not hosting it JJSole I just found it

 

[Lucky]

behind the scenes article with the story from the photographer plus the pictures.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: miguel
jjsole - that was nicely written post, thank you. My opinion is that one who resorts to terrorism has lost all credibility for his/her agenda, much like one who kills an abortion doctor. That doesn't mean we don't look at the problem from where they started their journey, but we should not give the act credibility at all, for it will only encourage similar behaviour.

The difference between terrorism and freedom fighter is based completely on who is writting the postscript.

All sides perform "immoral" acts as a basis for retaliation.

Anytime an area is occupied against the will of the primary inhabitants resistance will occur. Who wins in the end will depend on the will of the combatants and external support.

The Iraqi's are encourage by what they saw happen in Vietnam and the fact the resistance still exists in Afganistan.

Terrorism existed in the US over 600 years ago. The difference is that the "freedom fighters" originally lost.
300 years ago, the freedom fighters won.

History is written by the winners

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Terrorism existed in the US over 600 years ago. The difference is that the "freedom fighters" originally lost. 300 years ago, the freedom fighters won.

Could you elaborate upon the historical events to which you're referring? I'm no history buff, and since the american revolution was certainly not 300yrs ago, and only perhaps the Vikings were thought to be the only europeans to have visited this continent as far back as 600yrs ago, I'm not certain what events are being spoken of

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Terrorism existed in the US over 600 years ago. The difference is that the "freedom fighters" originally lost. 300 years ago, the freedom fighters won.

Could you elaborate upon the historical events to which you're referring? I'm no history buff, and since the american revolution was certainly not 300yrs ago, and only perhaps the Vikings were thought to be the only europeans to have visited this continent as far back as 600yrs ago, I'm not certain what events are being spoken of

Viking settlements were destroyed by the native indians.
There have been suggestions/artificats that other cultures visited the Western Hemisphere and were unable to establish colonies.

Many European colonies were started and lost from the 15th century onwards. The European technology eventually was able to defeat the natives in North/Central and South America. So lost the original resistance. Scalping was induced by the Europeans. The original resistance was able to defeat small amounts of invaders, however, the strength of numbers was able to overwhelm them.

The American revolution had terrorists and freedom fighters on both sides.
Resistance is created and dealt with. Depends on who wins out, there are freedom fighters/ terrorists/guerilla fighters

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Lucky
behind the scenes article with the story from the photographer plus the pictures.

Good link Lucky.

So just who are these masked fighters? Sessini says they were not Islamic radicals, nor were they sympathetic to Saddam Hussein or his Baath Party. Sessini says they were not affiliated or supported by Al Qaeda.

"One of the chiefs told me, ?We are all Iraqis. There are no Syrians or Iranians in our group,'" Sessini says. Although one of the fighters had been in the Iraqi military, Sessini says the group claimed to be civilians representing the "popular Iraqi resistance" in its fight for "freedom and justice." Their main reason for attacking American interests, he says, was to resist what they see as an illegal occupation of their country.

 

[dmcowen674]

Daaavo posted a series of photos of the landed DHL plane in Off Topic,

here is the thread. Awesome flying by that pilot:

Off Topic Thread: Photo's of the DHL plane hit over Bagadad