Are you saying that 22% of French exports went to Iraq? You do realize that that would make Iraq bigger trading-partner that Germany is (you know, Europes biggest economy right next to France?)?
Are you saying that 22% of French exports went to Iraq? You do realize that that would make Iraq bigger trading-partner that Germany is (you know, Europes biggest economy right next to France?)?
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
i will start by asking you one question... do WE REALLY give a damn about those people in Iraq? just think about it... we could careless - why else would we cheer on the massive bombing that took place - and everyone of us knew we would walk right thru as we have done many times before. not one bio-chemical weapon used yet but this was the BIG THREAT - THE REASON we were there. if Saddam had all these weapons of mass destruction why would he not use ANY of them - EVER - in TWO WARS w/ the bush's.
personally, i will be glad when we start thinking for ourselves... no one on these boards knows the real truth about our relations with France, Russia, Iraq, etc. I mean we ALL know why we were in Iraq - ¢¢¢. that and the fact that gwb sr created a dictator so we could do just what we did - well that is my opinion. the middle east have been a target for quit sometime. it's really sad that so many people that will try and justify a war that results from our own excessive lifestyles. don't for a minute think this had anything to do with "weapons of mass destruction" and so on. every country has a right to explore chemical and biological weapons - b/c we sure as hell do here in america. of course Iraq has these materials - b/c we sold them to them. we secretly created Saddam (although its not a big secret anymore) for one reason and one reason only. there are many baseless claims as to why but none of us are really that blind. gwb jr is simply carrying out the rest of the plan. dad created the big bad bath party for son to destroy. i mean it almost went did happen - but thanks to some old election tactics gwb has killed two birds with one stone. covered his dad's involvement (for the most part) w/ Saddam, as well as, securing us another 20-30 years in oil reserves. gwb had to do this immediately - trust me - he wouldn't have gone against the US created UN to get it done otherwise.
in our so called efforts to free Iraq, we killed more innocent people in the two wars than Saddam ever did or even could have for another 50 years.
in the next few years america will have our own personal oil pipeline running from the middle east right into one of our main arteries... a constant fix. remember what i said - our own personal life-line within 5 years it will be set in motion. this couldn't have been done without the wars in Afghanistan and/or Iraq. yes, before the Afghan war we were in talks with Alqueda officials to run this very pipeline and they said HELL NO! six months later, on Sept. 11th 2002, two American jets brought down the two towers in NYC. this is a very sensitive subject, but again i urge you all to search for facts - there is no way this happens and no CIA, FBI, or NO ONE in ALL of our Armed Forces knows on 9/11 - yet on 9/12 we make over 100 - 200 arrests around the world - in 5 or 6 countries! LOL - one day you are oblivious to any terror - but within 24hrs we are making arrests in Germany?
i will stop here - but i leave you with this... German, Russian, and French officials have a much better barrel of facts than any of us. they knew this was wrong to do. some years ago this wouldn't have been such a big deal to these countries as they we doing similiar things. now that america has separated herself from Russia and maybe China (i doubt were that far ahead of them tho) they can now see this happening to them if they don't go along as america tells them to. in one respect i say to France - don't be wimps - either your in or out. on the other hand i think that this had to be a very big injustice for LONG time allies to speak against this war of mass destruction.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS BUT CALL IT LIKE IT IS!
Thank god we have the ONE person who knows the real truth, lol.
You are wrong about the number we killed in two wars comapred to those that died at saddam's hand, over 1.5 million in the Iran/Iraq war which he started, over 1.5 million due to sanctions, mostly out of neglect and noncompliance. Care to know how many Kurds he has killed? How about the Marsh Arabs?
You suggest France, Germany, and Russia "know" better, you are niot aware of the money involved or their roles in suplying Iraq with weaopons they banned themselves in the UN. France was still selling Iraq miragfe parts untl about 3 weeks before the conflict, but they signed the resolution thatalso banned those. I could go on and on with more facts you would just dismiss but I won't, believe what you want, it won't change a thing.
and who funded and supplied arms for these 1.5 million killings alistar? gwb sr. was the ring leader at this point in time - Saddams right hand man pal.
22% of their exports... thats a good one. Thats like saying 22% of US exports went to Mexico or something.
my point is simply that i won't go along with the idea that we are freeing someone... if they wanted to free these people Saddam wouldve died much like JFK. but if he dies like this we have no reason to invade and take over their resources. i too will benefit from this war - i just call it like it is.
Jesus christ, how misinformed are you?
Saddam himself is only part of the problem. His regime is the whole problem. A regime change cannot be accomplished with a single bullet.
I saw a friend of mine this weekend that I haven't talked to in nearly a year. He's pretty p*ssed about the whole situation with France. He's hated the French since grade school and now it's the popular thing to do. He's currently looking for a new country to hate.
Originally posted by: naddicott
Wild Turkey is French?!? Sacre Dieu!
There goes any hope of my boycott...
How about gas:
TotalFinaElf (Fina) -> ExxonMobil (Exxon or Mobil)
that regime would fall if he got wounded imo. seriously tho its not a matter of being misinformed sir - its a matter of not eating anything put on your plate - wake up. our government has been lying to us since we came to this country. iraq has NEVER posed ANY threat to america yet we are in the process of rebuilding their government - give me a break.
Exports - partners:
EU 61.3% (Germany 14.7%, UK 9.8%, Spain 9.6%, Italy 8.8%), US 8.7% (2001)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fr.html
First of all, the regime wouldn't collapse with his death. One of his sons would step up and take his place, and they're just as bad. I guess being raised watching political prisoners get tortured will mess up one's psyche. Even if we took out him and his sons, there would be a power vacuum, and it would be filled by whatever member of his administration was ruthless enough to take control.
Secondly, they are a threat to the US, as well as the rest of the world. In order to understand this, you have to understand what creates terrorists. Once you determine that, you need to stop that source. The source of the current terrorism that threatens the security of the United States is Islamic Fundamentalism.
But what causes Islamic Fundamentalism? The answer is simple: Squalor and oppression leads to anger and extremism in people. Autocratic dictators, ruling a majority of the countries in the middle east, can further their own agendas by propagandizing the people into believing the West is the reason for their poor conditions. Those who would be reactionaries are then driven to groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda, and then perpetrate terrorist acts in the name of their delusions.
Saddam gave money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. There is much evidence pointing to his support of terrorist groups inside of Iraq. There are links to Al Qaeda, which will likely become stronger as we find more evidence from the fallen regime. And his misuse of Oil For Food monies, funding his own opulence, have left his people battered and starved.
Thankfully, his overzealousness in breeding fear has grown a hatred of his rule, instead of the West. In addition, he has violated 17 UN resolutions 333 times. Finally, his country lies smack dab in the middle of this tormented region, and could act as a keystone to knocking the support structure out from under Islamic Fundamentalism. This makes his regime the IDEAL TARGET in our war on terror.
Terrorists themselves are expendable, just like the mob peons who collect the protection money and collect on debts. In order to defeat terrorism, we need to target the Kingpins and the sources of their power.
Now, if you'd care to refute my points, I'd love to hear an educated response from you, if, of course, you're capable of delivering one.
How is possibly taking over the entire middle east and holding the world's largest energy reserves hostage not a threat to the US?
So when I go to Kmart and buy a gun and kill you, you think we should lock up the guy who sold it and not me?
We did arm Iraq, but according to them the bulk of their weapons, both conventional and WMD came from the EU, notice they have Mirage jets and Soviet t-72 tanks.....doh
How many doubles did Kennedy employ? We have tried to kill Saddam, a universally illegal act BTW, 8 times.
Enough with your Saddam is not a threat to the US. At the beginning of the war over 12 terrorist attacks were thwarted that were being orchestrated by Iraqi "diplomats", a few were arrested. They found waste uranium, ever hear of a dirty bomb? Blow one up over NYC and you subject millions to a nice soothing radioactive particle filled atmosphere. Could he have invaded with an army, with a full on air support campaign and ground troops, armor, etc. no, could he pass some of his unaccounted for WMD along to a group LIKE Al-Queeda that would use it on mainland US ,yes, that WAS his danger to the US.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Cool that means French Products will be a bargain. Thank you Lemmings, my pocket book will appreciate it
Why would French products be cheaper? More than likely the price will stay the same or rise to combat the lack of sales. There is no reason for them to drop the price because they realize all this will pass.
T-72's are not from EU. And what WMD's are you talking about? They still haven't found any, remember. Maybe US should ask Finland where they are, since we apparently supplied Iraq with WMD's eh
?Oh, life is so complex. Goodyears are great but most Michelin tires sold in the US are made in South Carolina. Gotta keep those rednecks on the job too. I'd buy the Michelins.
Saddam has been under the thumb of the US for years. He owes the US his life - THERE IS NO ONE WE CAN GET TO - NO ONE! Saddam isn't fool enough to cross our government even though we have tried everything on earth to get him to. If you look at how the search is going for WDMs it is actually funny... the man was so terrified of the US he has been burying pesticides and paint high priced paint thinners.
You must be a teenager if you don't think the US is the aggressor in this situation. A person would have to have no account of our history from the day we came over - some on boats - some in chains under boats. Our government will do whatever it takes to keep the most important thing alive and kickin - OUR ECONOMY. these men spend their whole lives to gain power and worth that is tied to a very volital vehicle - when the market is down it's time for action. the sad thing is that we have put ourselves in the position where we have to conquer and control other countries to stay afloat. again, these acts were simply wrong - we will all benefit - but call a spade a spade son.
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