Freedom of Speech in Europe?

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
- it is not controlled by the government like in Europe where films are routinely banned for ridiculous reasons.

Since this is new to me (I live in Europe) could you mention a few movies that have been banned? Just to know what kind of movies we are talking about...

All sorts of movies have been banned in various countries. Some get unbanned after some years. Dirty Harry, A Clockwork Orange, The Life of Brian and other Monty Python films, Natural Born Killers, Lion of the Desert, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and The Battle of Algiers are what I can name off the top of my head.

A Clockwork Orange and Natural Born Killers were initially banned in Ireland. The Life of Brian was banned in Ireland for eight years, and in Norway for 1 year. Dirty Harry was banned for 1 year in Finland.
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre was banned is Ireland and Sweden. Both countries eventually released it as 18+. The Battle of Algiers was banned in France between 1965 and 1971. Today, however, no film is banned in any of the EU countries.

As the US has a problem with sex, Europe has (and even more so in the past) a problem with violence.

I wonder if Lion of the Desert is still banned in Italy. I can't find any mention of it being unbanned. According to IMBD: This film is banned in Italy. Owning and showing it is a criminal offence, on the ground of "defamation of the armed forces."

Europe seems to have a problem with depicting their history in a bad light. The Lion of the Desert and The Battle of Algiers both being banned in recent times is an example of that. There also seems to be a relative dearth of praised European movies that deal with colonialism and recent calamities. I wonder if government pressure and general European society's dislike of looking down upon its errors results in this.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Out of curiosity, I tried to find a copy of Disney's Song of the South. No go from Amazon U.S.
but can be imported from parts unknown from Amazon Canada for $250 :Q but still *out of stock*

Are you implying that it is banned? It is not. Disney can make its own decisions on its products. They don't have a Queen that can order them to produce a product.

Nope, I seen it was not banned, although it was listed on one of the U.S. banned movies lists, I read that this was Disney's choice

Your Queen comments continue to be hilarious 😉
I'm beginning to believe you have a little thing for her, Royalty has that effect on some people
My ol' lady has alot of Queen and Lady Di Memorabilia, toss me a pm and maybe I can get you two hooked up
😉

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Out of curiosity, I tried to find a copy of Disney's Song of the South. No go from Amazon U.S.
but can be imported from parts unknown from Amazon Canada for $250 :Q but still *out of stock*

Are you implying that it is banned? It is not. Disney can make its own decisions on its products. They don't have a Queen that can order them to produce a product.

Nope, I seen it was not banned, although it was listed on one of the U.S. banned movies lists, I read that this was Disney's choice

Your Queen comments continue to be hilarious 😉
I'm beginning to believe you have a little thing for her, Royalty has that effect on some people
My ol' lady has alot of Queen and Lady Di Memorabilia, toss me a pm and maybe I can get you two hooked up
😉

I wouldn't mind having a life of government-authorized luxury and millions of worshippers across several continents that think that I am a God that rules over peasants 🙂

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Aimster
You know if this took place in some other country and the person was sent to jail for denying the religion of Islam ..

boom 1000x threads about it on atot

For the last f-ing time... there is a difference between the FACT of Holocaust and the BELIEF of Islam.

Not if you don't beleive the "FACTS".


History/wars are usually written by the victor of the war.

There is depatable evidence from the red cross (a neutral party) contradicting "The facts"

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: envy me
Not if you don't beleive the "FACTS".


History/wars are usually written by the victor of the war.

There is depatable evidence from the red cross (a neutral party) contradicting "The facts"

Lets see some of these "FACTS" that the holocaust wasn't as big as it was or never happened. History may be written by the victors but the Nazis kept such careful records unless the Nazis were falsifying records you really can't deny it happened.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: envy me
Not if you don't beleive the "FACTS".


History/wars are usually written by the victor of the war.

There is depatable evidence from the red cross (a neutral party) contradicting "The facts"

Lets see some of these "FACTS" that the holocaust wasn't as big as it was or never happened. History may be written by the victors but the Nazis kept such careful records unless the Nazis were falsifying records you really can't deny it happened.

I'm not denying anything.

I'm saying that an international organization had a different set of numbers.

 

[fierydemise]

Lets see a link to them and the proof behind them

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

I wouldn't mind having a life of government-authorized luxury and millions of worshippers across several continents that think that I am a God that rules over peasants 🙂

lol

Well, play your cards right and maybe one day you too can take King George the seconds throne ( minus the several continents part of course)

😉

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Lets see a link to them and the proof behind them

link

I've read other articles on this as well.

 

[fierydemise]

My big problem with the article is it is based entirely on a report with data collected during World War 2, heres the problem since then documents carefully documenting the killing have surfaced. Also, that article is from the book "Did 6 Million Really Die?" by Richard Verrall in a 1992 case the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that Richard Verrall "was committed to white supremacist and anti-Semitic causes and was a fan of Adolf Hitler and of the Nazi regime." and said his book"misrepresented the work of historians, misquoted witnesses, fabricated evidence, and cited non-existent authorities."

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
- it is not controlled by the government like in Europe where films are routinely banned for ridiculous reasons.

Since this is new to me (I live in Europe) could you mention a few movies that have been banned? Just to know what kind of movies we are talking about...

All sorts of movies have been banned in various countries. Some get unbanned after some years. Dirty Harry, A Clockwork Orange, The Life of Brian and other Monty Python films, Natural Born Killers, Lion of the Desert, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and The Battle of Algiers are what I can name off the top of my head.

A Clockwork Orange and Natural Born Killers were initially banned in Ireland. The Life of Brian was banned in Ireland for eight years, and in Norway for 1 year. Dirty Harry was banned for 1 year in Finland.
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre was banned is Ireland and Sweden. Both countries eventually released it as 18+. The Battle of Algiers was banned in France between 1965 and 1971. Today, however, no film is banned in any of the EU countries.

As the US has a problem with sex, Europe has (and even more so in the past) a problem with violence.

I wonder if Lion of the Desert is still banned in Italy. I can't find any mention of it being unbanned. According to IMBD: This film is banned in Italy. Owning and showing it is a criminal offence, on the ground of "defamation of the armed forces."

Europe seems to have a problem with depicting their history in a bad light. The Lion of the Desert and The Battle of Algiers both being banned in recent times is an example of that. There also seems to be a relative dearth of praised European movies that deal with colonialism and recent calamities. I wonder if government pressure and general European society's dislike of looking down upon its errors results in this.

No movie is currently banned in Italy, but it's not really relevant. No movie theatre would screen such an old film anyway. Unless a ban is lifted very soon after a movie release, like for example in the case of "Toto' che visse 2 volte", most people will never see it on the big screen.