freedom of expression....dont some get it?

[mammador]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

 

[schmuckley]

in before you get called a bigot. :awe:

 

[Jaskalas]

...why do they live in our societies?

1: Our wealth and security are shared by all. Those are attributes that drive immigrants to our land.
2: Conquest. They believe they can come here and stake their own claim on the land.

 

[nickqt]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

All Muslims don't like freedom of expression?

Every single one of them?

Or are you just grouping all Muslims together based on the actions of a few?

 

[mammador]

All Muslims don't like freedom of expression?

Every single one of them?

Or are you just grouping all Muslims together based on the actions of a few?

actually, yes. freedom of expression means accepting points you don't like....if they don't like it, they can leave..

 

[nickqt]

actually, yes. freedom of expression means accepting points you don't like....if they don't like it, they can leave..

You want to clarify what you're saying?

You are saying that All Muslims, every single one of them, do not like free expression?

 

[ivwshane]

Lol! I bet the OP isn't even aware of his own hypocrisy!

 

[mammador]

humans are hypocrites, duh..

 

[werepossum]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

It's worth pointing out that the vast majority of American Muslims DO appreciate freedom of speech as well as religious freedom which not only allows them to freely practice their non-Christian faith in a Christian land, but also protects them from the Islamic religious police or religious conformist vigilantes common to so many Islamic nations.

 

[raildogg]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

Freedom of expression? So a "Muslim" living in Egypt cannot live an ordinary life compared to a Westerner? It seems like there is more of a nanny state system in the West than any other place. I doubt the Muslim countries have as many cameras installed on streets as the Western countries. Yet here you are talking about freedom of expression. Hey, wasn't the guy who owned a sports team forced to step down? I understand that is not a government related policy but it shows you that freedom of expression only goes so far.

The Muslims are no different from you. You've been led to believe they are. They are the same. The media, the politicians and religious leaders would want you to believe the so-called Muslims are different. The are just as hypocritical as you and I. They say one thing, like living peace and harmony, yet they do the opposite - just like you and I. They talk about their religion, just like Christians talk about theirs, yet they NEVER practice it. Praying all day doesn't mean your actually practicing it. ACTION is what counts. So in terms of hypocrisy, the Western world and the Islamic world are the same. Both a bunch of exploiters of their religion.

 

[raildogg]

1: Our wealth and security are shared by all. Those are attributes that drive immigrants to our land.
2: Conquest. They believe they can come here and stake their own claim on the land.

Conquest? Are you really sure? I mean, when a family decides to come to America, do they think, "Let's go to America to conquer their land!?" Or are other reasons more important to move here?

If you want to talk about conquest and owning land, nobody does it better than Westerners as history has shown us. I will not name the countries that Western people have conquered, destroyed and taken over because that is apparent.

 

[IronWing]

Trolling up
Trolling down
Up, down, down, up
Trolling all along the way
The forum may be stupid now
But it's getting dumber every day.

Garbage here
Garbage there
Here, there, there, here
Garbage all along the way
The forum may dirty now
But it's getting fouler every day.

Apologies to Pete Seeger

 

[Double Trouble]

The Muslims are no different from you. You've been led to believe they are. They are the same. The media, the politicians and religious leaders would want you to believe the so-called Muslims are different.

Sorry, but no. They (as a group) are different. Survey's have consistently shown that as a group, Muslims in many western countries are not the same as the other people in terms of values such as freedom of expression and freedom of religion. A few days ago there was a gallup poll showing about 40% of Muslims in the UK want sharia law in the UK. Similar polls show huge gaps in other countries like Germany, France and elsewhere on similar questions. As a groups, they are indeed different, even though that doesn't say anything about any particular individual(s).

 

[MongGrel]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

1: Our wealth and security are shared by all. Those are attributes that drive immigrants to our land.
2: Conquest. They believe they can come here and stake their own claim on the land.

This.

+1

China is still using the old School Communist route, and doing it in long scale plans over time, even if they have adopted Capitalism into the plan over time.

China is kinda like the Borg on a slower level, or used to be.

I think that might be even changing a bit, but not radically.

Cordwainer Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordwainer_Smith

 

[Double Trouble]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

Tolerance is both a strength and a weakness. It's a great strength when it means people are free to hold their own beliefs different from others. It becomes a weakness when those who don't share our core beliefs abuse the tolerance and are allowed to come into the countries in large numbers without having to adopt those core values.

 

[MongGrel]

Tolerance is both a strength and a weakness. It's a great strength when it means people are free to hold their own beliefs different from others. It becomes a weakness when those who don't share our core beliefs abuse the tolerance and are allowed to come into the countries in large numbers without having to adopt those core values.

+1

 

[OBLAMA2009]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

fyi in most western countries they have laws agaisnt inflammatory/hate speech. u can go to jail for say, speaking out against israel in countries like germany or france.

 

[alcoholbob]

Jizya.

 

[Vic]

If Muslims dont like freedom of expression, why do they live in our societies?

This is part of the rigours of Western culture.....is it not?

No, in fact, it's not, but only a relatively recent development of liberalism. Christian religions and European monarchies have historically been extremely opposed to freedom of expression, particularly of religion.

 

[Vic]

Tolerance is both a strength and a weakness. It's a great strength when it means people are free to hold their own beliefs different from others. It becomes a weakness when those who don't share our core beliefs abuse the tolerance and are allowed to come into the countries in large numbers without having to adopt those core values.

The only 'core value' in America is the law.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Tolerance is both a strength and a weakness. It's a great strength when it means people are free to hold their own beliefs different from others. It becomes a weakness when those who don't share our core beliefs abuse the tolerance and are allowed to come into the countries in large numbers without having to adopt those core values.

:thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

Conquest? Are you really sure? I mean, when a family decides to come to America, do they think, "Let's go to America to conquer their land!?" Or are other reasons more important to move here?

If you want to talk about conquest and owning land, nobody does it better than Westerners as history has shown us. I will not name the countries that Western people have conquered, destroyed and taken over because that is apparent.

All those people whose land we conquered, they didn't have a flag. This is what happens if you don't have a flag stuck in your land. Westerners will come and stick their flag in flagless land and claim it. Western people also discovered all these lands in ships. Ships full of flags is the trick. If you don't understand about flags, you don't exist.

 

[TheSlamma]

You want to clarify what you're saying?

You are saying that All Muslims, every single one of them, do not like free expression?

The ones that practice their religion the LEAST amount are the ones most likely to like free expression.

 

[rudeguy]

The ones that practice their religion the LEAST amount are the ones most likely to like free expression.

I could not disagree with you more.

How many people posting in this thread actually associate with Muslims? A large number of our customers are Muslim. I get to talk to FOB Iraqi and Iranians all the time. They are some of the coolest, awesomest people I ever meet. They couldn't give two shits what you think of their religion but they are devout Muslims. What you say and what you think affects them exactly zero. But they not only are not trying to stop you from expressing yourself, they are laughing at your ignorance of who they really are.

I feel bad for ignorant people. I really do.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Most Muslims I know like freedom of expression.

A pretty large group of Muslims even tried to peacefully protest to participate in freedom of expression in Texas with their "Stand with the Prophet" event.

They were told that they were not American, and many were told to "go home". Note: Many of these were Americans who were already at home...

So, f we are going to lump together all muslims as being anti 1st amendment, then we must also lump together all texans so as not to discriminate.

Or, we have the option of not being complete idiots, we can think with our brains! I recommend you try it, it wont hurt, I promise.