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[Genx87]

I'm not agreeing with the ban on sugary drinks but isn't what is being practiced what the small government conservatives preach, i.e., small/local governments passing laws that they feel are representative of their constituents? Don't like it, move to another city.

Absolutely not.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Just wait until they go after Starbucks, that's when hell will break loose.

 

[wirednuts]

BREAKING NEWS: your body turns most of its food into sugar, mainly for your brain to directly survive on. between water, air and sugar you can stay alive for a long time.

im so tired of people demonizing sugar. SUGAR! its our most basic food need. yes, high quantities of processed sugar is bad because your body cant regulate it. but its still sugar. in moderation it is perfectly healthy for you. just like everything else.

 

[feralkid]

BREAKING NEWS: your body turns most of its food into sugar, mainly for your brain to directly survive on. between water, air and sugar you can stay alive for a long time.

im so tired of people demonizing sugar. SUGAR! its our most basic food need. yes, high quantities of processed sugar is bad because your body cant regulate it. but its still sugar. in moderation it is perfectly healthy for you. just like everything else.

I think they are usually referring to the use of added refined sugar, not what is found naturally in foods.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Actually, sugar is bad.

Your body converts things INTO sugar, but at a controlled pace. Same thing with fats. They are important in your diet due to caloric intake, oils, and certain other chemicals.

BUT, you eat too much and it is BAD for you.

Our bodies were not constructed for a constant large supply of simple mono and di-saccherides (sp). Our bodies were made to take what they could get and make it last. Doping up the blood with too much, too often, just dumps it into fat that is never used.

The problem is, as has been said, when people cannot differentiate between a needed nutrient and a demonized substance.


You eat what you need, not what you want or can obtain easily.

 

[ElFenix]

BREAKING NEWS: your body turns most of its food into sugar, mainly for your brain to directly survive on. between water, air and sugar you can stay alive for a long time.

im so tired of people demonizing sugar. SUGAR! its our most basic food need. yes, high quantities of processed sugar is bad because your body cant regulate it. but its still sugar. in moderation it is perfectly healthy for you. just like everything else.

your body converts things into glucose. sugar != glucose.

In this case, this was a bad way to go about it, if the government, instead, added taxes to bad food making it expensive to buy, it would add incentives to eat healthier, depending on how much the tax is.

how about we stop subsidizing the bad shit.

of course, then we get into the issue of what's bad and what's good. we don't have a clue. the more the government has done to manipulate what people eat the worse our health has become.

 

[rayfieldclement]

Are places like Burger King etc... subsidized by tax monies?

 

[Ninjahedge]

Irrelevant.

 

[Phokus]

Absolutely not.

Aren't you a ron paul supporter? Even HE would say he isn't against cities/states that make such bans/regulations (even if he's personally against such regulations). He's just against federal regulations and is a fervent states rights supporter. So you're wrong.

 

[Phokus]

of course, then we get into the issue of what's bad and what's good. we don't have a clue. the more the government has done to manipulate what people eat the worse our health has become.

We do? Sugar/most carbs/processed foods, those are what makes you fat.

 

[Exterous]

So you actually want to pay for people that make poor life choice?

Ok genius - where did I say that? All I said is that our insurance system is socialized risk and has been for a while. Do you have car insurance? Home owners or renters insurance? Any type of medical insurance? Congrats - you are paying into a socialized risk system.

We do? Sugar/most carbs/processed foods, those are what makes you fat.

And yet you can eat those foods in moderation and not get fat. Its not sugar/carbs/processed foods its the amount of them. That holds true for pretty much everything. If you eat more calories than you burn you gain weight. So does your new tax system take into account how much of something on a you have bought before you get taxed or does it just punish everyone, even the responsible people?

 

[Phokus]

And yet you can eat those foods in moderation and not get fat. Its not sugar/carbs/processed foods its the amount of them. That holds true for pretty much everything. If you eat more calories than you burn you gain weight. So does your new tax system take into account how much of something on a you have bought before you get taxed or does it just punish everyone, even the responsible people?

If you're eating those foods in moderation, you aren't really being punished much, if you are gorging yourself on it, you're going to feel it in the wallet big time. That's the point.

Besides that, you're paying for their indiscretions with food in other ways, notably, higher healthcare costs.

 

[nehalem256]

Ok genius - where did I say that? All I said is that our insurance system is socialized risk and has been for a while. Do you have car insurance? Home owners or renters insurance? Any type of medical insurance? Congrats - you are paying into a socialized risk system.

You do realize that risky drivers pay more right?

And for medical insurance at least where I work you pay more if you smoke. Maybe they should also charge more for being overweight/obese? Pass the costs on to those who cause the problem.

 

[ElFenix]

Are places like Burger King etc... subsidized by tax monies?

not directly, but much of the farming industry is subsidized, creating artificially low prices for beef, chicken, corn, etc.

We do? Sugar/most carbs/processed foods, those are what makes you fat.

the science behind a lot of this is really inconclusive, apparently. but people run with it and parade it as fact and make it into public policy, influencing people's choices.

 

[nehalem256]

We do? Sugar/most carbs/processed foods, those are what makes you fat.

Eating more calories than you burn makes you fat. It is simple physics.

 

[Phokus]

the science behind a lot of this is really inconclusive, apparently. but people run with it and parade it as fact and make it into public policy, influencing people's choices.

Not really, sugar (and carbs in general) causes your insulin to spike. Insulin is the fat storing hormone. If you cut carbs out of your system, even if you eat bacon breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you won't get fat.

 

[Phokus]

Eating more calories than you burn makes you fat. It is simple physics.

Calories don't matter nearly as much as how much insulin is in your system (insulin is a fat storing hormone). Sugar and carbs, in general, causes insulin to spike in your system. Like i said in the other post, you can eat bacon for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, but if you don't spike your insulin, you won't get fat. High Calories = Fat is the biggest lie ever.

 

[DrPizza]

Buy the size you like ?

My point is that it was a gradual cultural change. No one would have said, "yeah, I'll have a 48 ounce drink." In the 70's, if you introduced them, people would have thought you were nuts. Now, there are people who routinely get one every time they walk into 7-11. How do you dial that back?

 

[Genx87]

Aren't you a ron paul supporter? Even HE would say he isn't against cities/states that make such bans/regulations (even if he's personally against such regulations). He's just against federal regulations and is a fervent states rights supporter. So you're wrong.

I find it amusing you constantly try to label me. Before I was a far right winger. Today I am a ron paul supporter. And based on your new label say I am wrong. So delicious.

 

[Phokus]

I find it amusing you constantly try to label me. Before I was a far right winger. Today I am a ron paul supporter. And based on your new label say I am wrong. So delicious.

It doesn't really matter, you're clearly wrong about what 'conservatives' think.

 

[Genx87]

It doesn't really matter, you're clearly wrong about what 'conservatives' think.

Sure I am in your eyes because you believe conservatives as a monolithic group.

 

[Phokus]

Sure I am in your eyes because you believe conservatives as a monolithic group.

Well, they are pretty fucking shitty, but not all in the same ways.

 

[Exterous]

You do realize that risky drivers pay more right?

And for medical insurance at least where I work you pay more if you smoke. Maybe they should also charge more for being overweight/obese? Pass the costs on to those who cause the problem.

Since you ignored my first question does that mean you realized your incorrectly inferred a statement that was never made by me?

And you do realize that even though risky drivers pay more it is still a socialized risk system right?

Calories don't matter nearly as much as how much insulin is in your system (insulin is a fat storing hormone). Sugar and carbs, in general, causes insulin to spike in your system. Like i said in the other post, you can eat bacon for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, but if you don't spike your insulin, you won't get fat. High Calories = Fat is the biggest lie ever.

I'm not saying high calories = fat. I am saying that consistently eating more calories than you burn will = weight gain for most situations

The Mayo clinic and CDC seem to agree with me:

When it comes to maintaining a healthy weight for a lifetime, the bottom line is – calories count! Weight management is all about balance—balancing the number of calories you consume with the number of calories your body uses or "burns off."

Unfortunately, weight gain is most commonly the result of eating more calories than you burn. To lose weight, then, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories, increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity, or both.

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/calories/index.html
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006

 

[Phokus]

Since you ignored my first question does that mean you realized your incorrectly inferred a statement that was never made by me?

And you do realize that even though risky drivers pay more it is still a socialized risk system right?



I'm not saying high calories = fat. I am saying that consistently eating more calories than you burn will = weight gain for most situations

The Mayo clinic and CDC seem to agree with me:


http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/calories/index.html
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006

Except the Mayo Clinic and the CDC is wrong. You can lose weight eating high fat/high calories AS LONG AS YOU KEEP CARBS LOW. I have a friend who lost 50 pounds eating this as his normal meal:

Breakfast: 3 eggs (all with yolk) and 4 pieces of bacon (or sausage)

Lunch: 2 Burger patties (without bun), 2 pieces of cheese on it, maybe some salad

Snack: Nuts, Cheese

Dinner: A big ass steak and some cooked vegetables.

Keepking blood sugar low/insulin low is much more important.

Look at the people who lost lots of weight eating 'bad' fatty food:

http://www.reddit.com/r/keto

The 'low calorie' myth is an oversimplistic explanation because it's much easier to tell people to eat less calories rather than focus more on the TYPES of calories you're eating.

 

[ElFenix]

Except the Mayo Clinic and the CDC is wrong. You can lose weight eating high fat/high calories AS LONG AS YOU KEEP CARBS LOW. I have a friend who lost 50 pounds eating this as his normal meal:

Breakfast: 3 eggs (all with yolk) and 4 pieces of bacon (or sausage)

Lunch: 2 Burger patties (without bun), 2 pieces of cheese on it, maybe some salad

Snack: Nuts, Cheese

Dinner: A big ass steak and some cooked vegetables.

Keepking blood sugar low/insulin low is much more important.

Look at the people who lost lots of weight eating 'bad' fatty food:

http://www.reddit.com/r/keto

The 'low calorie' myth is an oversimplistic explanation because it's much easier to tell people to eat less calories rather than focus more on the TYPES of calories you're eating.

iow, the common wisdom propounded by the government (CDC) may be wrong. which was exactly my point.