Free birth control cuts abortion rate dramatically, study finds

[blankslate]

I'd rather subsidize someone's birth control (not abortions) than subsidize the child(ren) that they can't afford to properly provide for.

 

[Wreckem]

The child support payments are made without consideration of the man's ability to pay. If he loses his job and can't make the payments, he goes to jail. And it's no secret that women get primary custody in the overwhelming majority of cases.

You incorrect assumptions in this post.

Child support payments are easily modified/deferred in cases of unemployment.

 

[Veliko]

I agree that the comparisons are far off.

However "FREE BC" isn't necessary when the market has reduced costs for a condom to a mere 20 cents. Furthermore abortions are prohibitively expensive exactly due to government funded abortions which allow doctors to charge higher rates because government is footing the bill.

If you claim to really care about the poor or about women's rights to an abortion then you would realize that propping up prices for abortions so that you either have to be rich or on the government dole to afford one is not best way to go about it. Forcing prices to drop by allowing competition in the marketplace to provide abortions would provide the best results for all women regardless of income level so that they are able to have abortions at a affordable price brought about through market competition.

I'm having a hard time imagining a price war happening on anything like abortions.

 

[Smoblikat]

That's all you got? Please, tell us why.

Because it isnt.

 

[nehalem256]

That's all you got? Please, tell us why.

If sex was a right one could argue rape laws are unconstitutional because they are punishing you for having sex. 🙄

Or maybe the government should be required to provide people with prostitutes?

And gun ownership is also a right. But the government is allowed to pass reasonable restrictions (such as not allowing crazies or convicted felons to own guns) and people are expected to be responsible with their guns.

You are arguing that people have some sort of universal right to sex and do not have to be responsible for exercising this right. That is insanity.

 

[nehalem256]

In the war between Biology and Ideological Nonsense, Biology Wins.

Isn't funny how without modern birth controls or legal abortions that the out of wedlock birthrate was significantly lower?

We all would prefer that. But this is unrealistic for a large portion of the population. Unfortunately, we all have to deal with it.

So what did we learn today?

1. Comparing sex to driving is nonsense
2. Condoms cost less than abortion, foster care, welfare, or mandatory abortions.

That concludes our lesson for today 🙂

1) Of course its nonsense. Comparing an activity that is important for working and acquiring goods needed for living to an activity that is purely for pleasure is ridiculous although in the opposite way you are implying.

2) Mandatory abortions cost society nothing assuming you require the person getting them to pay for it. And if they cannot loan them the money. It can actually be a net positive for government revenue!

2a.) If your boyfriend cannot afford a condom I recommend finding one who is less of a loser/homosexual.

 

[sao123]

Yeah, no married couples use birth control, or have unwanted children, or children they can't afford. Unplanned pregnancy only happens to sluts and only affects women.

I'm not against Birth Control for married couples. I'm not even against free birth control for married couples. But if there was zero non-marital sex, the need for birth control would drop by about 75%.

 

[jackstar7]

2a.) If your boyfriend cannot afford a condom I recommend finding one who is less of a loser/homosexual.

Wow.

 

[sandorski]

I'm not against Birth Control for married couples. I'm not even against free birth control for married couples. But if there was zero non-marital sex, the need for birth control would drop by about 75%.

There would be a whole lot less Pre-Marital Sex if the Age when one could Marry was 13 or so like it used to be. The problem with the issue is that our Social norms ignore Biology and have rendered the whole idea of waiting for Marriage obsolete for all but a few.

 

[nehalem256]

There would be a whole lot less Pre-Marital Sex if the Age when one could Marry was 13 or so like it used to be. The problem with the issue is that our Social norms ignore Biology and have rendered the whole idea of waiting for Marriage obsolete for all but a few.

And how many people got married at 13 in the 1950s?(see the chart above)

 

[nehalem256]

Wow.

Are you denying that a guy who cannot afford 20 cents for a condom is a loser. Or more likely a closet homosexual because almost anyone can make changes in their life to free up an extra 20 cents.

 

[buckshot24]

Are you denying that a guy who cannot afford 20 cents for a condom is a loser. Or more likely a closet homosexual because almost anyone can make changes in their life to free up an extra 20 cents.

You'd probably be better off not bringing the homosexual bit into this.

 

[nehalem256]

You'd probably be better off not bringing the homosexual bit into this.

Why? I have no problem with him being a homosexual. But I would not recommend that women date male homosexuals for obvious reasons.

 

[buckshot24]

Why? I have no problem with him being a homosexual. But I would not recommend that women date male homosexuals for obvious reasons.

What you think of homosexuals isn't the issue. It's a distraction from the main point you are trying to make. Plus I don't know how him being homosexual has anything to do with obtaining a condom.

 

[nehalem256]

What you think of homosexuals isn't the issue. It's a distraction from the main point you are trying to make. Plus I don't know how him being homosexual has anything to do with obtaining a condom.

I am suggesting that a guy who is unwilling to make small sacrifices in say his beer money to afford a 20 cent condom, so he can have sex with a woman, is probably a closet homosexual.

EDIT: Or for instance give up one starbucks coffee and you can afford condoms for a month.

 

[alkemyst]

I am suggesting that a guy who is unwilling to make small sacrifices in say his beer money to afford a 20 cent condom, so he can have sex with a woman, is probably a closet homosexual.

EDIT: Or for instance give up one starbucks coffee and you can afford condoms for a month.

The problem is those .20 cent condoms aren't on hand during the act.

I don't agree with this, but when BC is free people do tend to stock up.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I'm having a hard time imagining a price war happening on anything like abortions.

How many doctors who perform abortions would limit themselves to just the rare and few wealthy clients for such a procedures if they were forced to compete for their clients? Price will come down for those wanting to stay in the business of offering abortions to as many potential clients as possible.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

What you think of homosexuals isn't the issue. It's a distraction from the main point you are trying to make. Plus I don't know how him being homosexual has anything to do with obtaining a condom.

LOL - I have to agree. I don't know many homosexuals who love going bareback inside a woman because it "feels better".

 

[alkemyst]

How many doctors who perform abortions would limit themselves to just the rare and few wealthy clients for such a procedures if they were forced to compete for their clients? Price will come down for those wanting to stay in the business of offering abortions to as many potential clients as possible.

Doesn't really scale in all areas. In Palm Beach here, many doctors don't take any insurance. They aren't cheap either, but very good at what they do.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If sex was a right one could argue rape laws are unconstitutional because they are punishing you for having sex.

Sex is a consensual act. Nice try though.

 

[ch33zw1z]

2) Mandatory abortions cost society nothing assuming you require the person getting them to pay for it. And if they cannot loan them the money. It can actually be a net positive for government revenue!

2a.) If your boyfriend cannot afford a condom I recommend finding one who is less of a loser/homosexual.

You assume too much.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are arguing that people have some sort of universal right to sex and do not have to be responsible for exercising this right. That is insanity.

I am absolutely not arguing responsibility for this act. In the end, SOMEone will bear the responsibility.

You don't want people to be provided birth control, yet you don't want to pay for someone else's children. Make up your fucking mind!

You can't have it both ways here, people are gonna fuck, end of story. You don't have to, nobody's forcing you (that's called rape, btw), but other's will be doing, and are doing it right now.

I would rather spend taxes preventing unwanted pregnancies than fostering a child into adulthood at the expense of the tax payer.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Because it isnt.

So, you're done here. Ok, thanks.

 

[Smoblikat]

I am absolutely not arguing responsibility for this act. In the end, SOMEone will bear the responsibility.

You don't want people to be provided birth control, yet you don't want to pay for someone else's children. Make up your fucking mind!

You can't have it both ways here, people are gonna fuck, end of story. You don't have to, nobody's forcing you (that's called rape, btw), but other's will be doing, and are doing it right now.

I would rather spend taxes preventing unwanted pregnancies than fostering a child into adulthood at the expense of the tax payer.

Our minds are made up. We dont want to deal with other peoples brats, and we sure as hell dont want to give people money to screw. The only logical option is...............this might be hard for you to grasp...............THAT PEOPLE SHOULD GET THEIR OWN BC or dont have sex. Sex isnt a necessity to live.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Our minds are made up. We dont want to deal with other peoples brats, and we sure as hell dont want to give people money to screw. The only logical option is...............this might be hard for you to grasp...............THAT PEOPLE SHOULD GET THEIR OWN BC or dont have sex. Sex isnt a necessity to live.

Who's our?

Great, you've made up your mind. Congrats!

You say you don't want to deal with other people's brats, but what you're advocating is just that...

And you're not giving people money to screw! Back to that again?