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Freddie Mac Paid McCain's campaign manager lobby firm 30k per month.

Ok, can someone explain to me what the big deal is?

Freddie Mac paid McCain's campaign manager's former employer. How does that implicate John McCain? Or even his campaign manager? I've worked for a lot of companies-- does that mean if Freddie Mac ever paid any of those companies (even when I wasn't still employed there) that it means I was in Freddie Mac's pockets?

 
Originally posted by: QED
Ok, can someone explain to me what the big deal is?

Freddie Mac paid McCain's campaign manager's former employer. How does that implicate John McCain? Or even his campaign manager? I've worked for a lot of companies-- does that mean if Freddie Mac ever paid any of those companies (even when I wasn't still employed there) that it means I was in Freddie Mac's pockets?
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the big deal is that McCain (knowingly or not) lied about it... and considering the firm's name has McCain's campaign manager's name on the door (Davis Manafort), I'd say he's more than a random employee.

but it's stupid that we demonize lobbyists and turn them into boogeymen.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: QED
Ok, can someone explain to me what the big deal is?

Freddie Mac paid McCain's campaign manager's former employer. How does that implicate John McCain? Or even his campaign manager? I've worked for a lot of companies-- does that mean if Freddie Mac ever paid any of those companies (even when I wasn't still employed there) that it means I was in Freddie Mac's pockets?
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the big deal is that McCain (knowingly or not) lied about it... and considering the firm's name has McCain's campaign manager's name on the door (Davis Manafort), I'd say he's more than a random employee.

but it's stupid that we demonize lobbyists and turn them into boogeymen.
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Also you forgot McCain is the one running around saying he will get rid of these lobbysit and clean up DC. Yet his team is being run and headed by these same people.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: QED
Ok, can someone explain to me what the big deal is?

Freddie Mac paid McCain's campaign manager's former employer. How does that implicate John McCain? Or even his campaign manager? I've worked for a lot of companies-- does that mean if Freddie Mac ever paid any of those companies (even when I wasn't still employed there) that it means I was in Freddie Mac's pockets?
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the big deal is that McCain (knowingly or not) lied about it... and considering the firm's name has McCain's campaign manager's name on the door (Davis Manafort), I'd say he's more than a random employee.

but it's stupid that we demonize lobbyists and turn them into boogeymen.
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Also you forgot McCain is the one running around saying he will get rid of these lobbysit and clean up DC. Yet his team is being run and headed by these same people.
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just means he got rid of a few by hiring them, right?
 
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
 
Originally posted by: QED
Ok, can someone explain to me what the big deal is?

Freddie Mac paid McCain's campaign manager's former employer. How does that implicate John McCain? Or even his campaign manager? I've worked for a lot of companies-- does that mean if Freddie Mac ever paid any of those companies (even when I wasn't still employed there) that it means I was in Freddie Mac's pockets?
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The big deal is that its a shame that these Freddie Mac execs paid 1.8 million to just one lobbyist to gain political favor. Lobbyist in turn "lobbies" that favor to get beneficial votes by various members of house and senate. This is how washington works, and it SUCKS. Now we are bailing them out, becasue they have no money... This isnt specifically a McCain issue- its a washington issue, and an American issue. If you cant see the problem with that, then you are lost... Badly.

The fact that McCain's whole circle of friends and campaign advisors are all lobbyists doesnt speak well for his intentions, or motvations - but its not specifically a MCCain issue.
 
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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Davis lied.

whether or not McCain knew, I think, is debatable.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
but it's stupid that we demonize lobbyists and turn them into boogeymen.
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No it isn't. These people exist solely to engage in legal thievery from the american taxpayer. There is no merit in that, and lobbyists are paid to advance their clients interests ahead of what is best for the country.

Their bad reputation is well deserved. I've sat next to many a lobbyist on business trips and overheard their phone conversations.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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Davis lied.

whether or not McCain knew, I think, is debatable.
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McCain insisted the NYTIMES claim was untrue. That's a lie.

And, if he didn't know, maybe he should know what his left hand is doing? Davis and Schmidt are his top guys for the sake of yaweh...
 
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: QED
Ok, can someone explain to me what the big deal is?

Freddie Mac paid McCain's campaign manager's former employer. How does that implicate John McCain? Or even his campaign manager? I've worked for a lot of companies-- does that mean if Freddie Mac ever paid any of those companies (even when I wasn't still employed there) that it means I was in Freddie Mac's pockets?
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The big deal is that its a shame that these Freddie Mac execs paid 1.8 million to just one lobbyist to gain political favor. Lobbyist in turn "lobbies" that favor to get beneficial votes by various members of house and senate. This is how washington works, and it SUCKS. Now we are bailing them out, becasue they have no money... This isnt specifically a McCain issue- its a washington issue, and an American issue. If you cant see the problem with that, then you are lost... Badly.

The fact that McCain's whole circle of friends and campaign advisors are all lobbyists doesnt speak well for his intentions, or motvations - but its not specifically a MCCain issue.
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/signed

If we concede that money buys power in Washington, then we also concede that as wealth accumulates in the few power brokers and rich at the top of the structure, the average working and middle class American will continue to have their influence on their government eroded. I believe most Americans already believe that the government doesn't work for them, but what does it take to push them over the edge and for them to start demanding their country be returned?
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
repost.

also, lobbyists are people too.
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and they are "good people" according to McCain.


No they are paid puppets.

I was actually pretty good friends with a guy in Atlanta until I found out he was a lobbyist.

When he started telling me the crap he pulled and did I quickly distanced myself from him.

 
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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What person hasn't lied, not to mention what person that we have voted for hasn't lied?

It sucks, but people are blowing this out of proportion, look at every canidates claims before and after his term is over, most go opposite directions.
 
Originally posted by: rudder
Let's be fair... Obama was number 2 on the amount of donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while he was in the senate.

This list of full of dems and republicans.
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Let's be fair, the vast majority comes from individuals, voters. Considering that he's raking in such huge amounts from individuals, is it surprising that he's got a lot from that area?

if you look at PAC numbers, it's not the same story.

McCain is a tool and a hypocrite. He blasts deregulation, but Phil Gramm, the king of deregulation, is his chief advisor. He blasts lobbyists, but employs ones from the GSEs, not to mention the ones that handed the Airforce Tanker competition to EDS.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: loki8481
but it's stupid that we demonize lobbyists and turn them into boogeymen.
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No it isn't. These people exist solely to engage in legal thievery from the american taxpayer. There is no merit in that, and lobbyists are paid to advance their clients interests ahead of what is best for the country.

Their bad reputation is well deserved. I've sat next to many a lobbyist on business trips and overheard their phone conversations.
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what about the people/groups who lobby to represent your interests?

I'm sure microsoft employees don't mind microsoft's lobbyists... I'm pretty happy that gay rights and environmental lobbyists exist, old people would probably say the same about AARP.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: loki8481
but it's stupid that we demonize lobbyists and turn them into boogeymen.
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No it isn't. These people exist solely to engage in legal thievery from the american taxpayer. There is no merit in that, and lobbyists are paid to advance their clients interests ahead of what is best for the country.

Their bad reputation is well deserved. I've sat next to many a lobbyist on business trips and overheard their phone conversations.
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what about the people/groups who lobby to represent your interests?

I'm sure microsoft employees don't mind microsoft's lobbyists... I'm pretty happy that gay rights and environmental lobbyists exist, old people would probably say the same about AARP.
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Gotta love ME ME ME attitudes.
 
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.
 
what about the people/groups who lobby to represent your interests?
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regardless of who or what it is for- If they are getting paid millions of dollars to buy "gifts" and make other campaign contributions to get favorable votes from Senators and Congressman for their companies (or causes) it should be made illegal. McCain not only agrees with this process, but fully embraces it. Obama wants to make it stop entirely.

Sorry, Obama majorly wins this one.
 
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Click to expand...

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.
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Davis owns the firm. If you owned a company, and someone paid your company $15,000/month, would you benefit from it? Of course you would.

This story is BIG. McCain has been caught in a major lie; either that or Rick Davis lied to him. Either way, Davis will probably resign from the campaign over this.

:laugh: :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

and they are "good people" according to McCain.
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i thought that was clinton?

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
McCain is a tool and a hypocrite. He blasts deregulation, but Phil Gramm, the king of deregulation, is his chief advisor. He blasts lobbyists, but employs ones from the GSEs, not to mention the ones that handed the Airforce Tanker competition to EDS.
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iirc, he fired gramm.



Originally posted by: jpeyton
Davis owns the firm. If you owned a company, and someone paid your company $15,000/month, would you benefit from it? Of course you would.
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Davis also said he "had a severed leave of absence" from his lobbying and consulting firm, and "I've taken no compensation from my firm for 18 months." (A campaign spokesman said that Davis receives no partnership distribution under his arrangement).
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Click to expand...

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.
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Davis owns the firm. If you owned a company, and someone paid your company $15,000/month, would you benefit from it? Of course you would.

This story is BIG. McCain has been caught in a major lie; either that or Rick Davis lied to him. Either way, Davis will probably resign from the campaign over this.

:laugh: :laugh:
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Actually, allegedly his arrangement doesn't call for a distribution, but don't let that get in the way of a good rant.
 
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