Freddie Mac Paid McCain's campaign manager lobby firm 30k per month.

[Dari]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.

You know your side is doing bad when you start arguing over semantics🙂.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.

You know your side is doing bad when you start arguing over semantics🙂.

What is my side? Truth?

And if you think there's no difference between a company he's not receiving distributions from receiving payments and him receiving payments, then you should go work for the media!

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
iirc, he fired gramm.

but still won't rule out a major role (perhaps Sec. Treas) under his admin.

 

[StageLeft]

Lobbyists are good people.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.

You know your side is doing bad when you start arguing over semantics🙂.

What is my side? Truth?

And if you think there's no difference between a company he's not receiving distributions from receiving payments and him receiving payments, then you should go work for the media!

Keep focusing on the wordings of the debate rather than the larger implications. We know your mind is closed regarding your preference so you do no favors to yourself or others by trying to make yourself believe that there is nothing wrong here. Continue your focus on what the meaning of "is" is and let us know how it turns out.

 

[Butterbean]

Just a peer media hatchet job. Paul Begala was also paid by Fannie for consulting. Of course Obama had Fannie CEO picking VP's for him. Americans would have to be dumb to swallow this. Then again they swallow lots of things these days.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Just a peer media hatchet job. Paul Begala was also paid by Fannie for consulting. Of course Obama had Fannie CEO picking VP's for him. Americans would have to be dumb to swallow this. Then again they swallow lots of things these days.

Man I know. They are so mind bogglingly stupid that they think Obama is a stealth marxist who wants to teach kindergarteners how to have sex.

So yes, some people in America are apparently very very dumb.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Just a peer media hatchet job. Paul Begala was also paid by Fannie for consulting. Of course Obama had Fannie CEO picking VP's for him. Americans would have to be dumb to swallow this. Then again they swallow lots of things these days.

What have you been swallowing recently?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.

You know your side is doing bad when you start arguing over semantics🙂.

What is my side? Truth?

And if you think there's no difference between a company he's not receiving distributions from receiving payments and him receiving payments, then you should go work for the media!

Keep focusing on the wordings of the debate rather than the larger implications. We know your mind is closed regarding your preference so you do no favors to yourself or others by trying to make yourself believe that there is nothing wrong here. Continue your focus on what the meaning of "is" is and let us know how it turns out.

I guess when you can't focus on the stated facts, you just accuse others of playing semantics. Pretty sorry defense of your supposed point.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.

You know your side is doing bad when you start arguing over semantics🙂.

What is my side? Truth?

And if you think there's no difference between a company he's not receiving distributions from receiving payments and him receiving payments, then you should go work for the media!

Keep focusing on the wordings of the debate rather than the larger implications. We know your mind is closed regarding your preference so you do no favors to yourself or others by trying to make yourself believe that there is nothing wrong here. Continue your focus on what the meaning of "is" is and let us know how it turns out.

I guess when you can't focus on the stated facts, you just accuse others of playing semantics. Pretty sorry defense of your supposed point.

Don't mind me. I was enjoying your focus on the meaning of words. It's like concentrating on the trees and ignoring the forests. But please continue as if I don't exist.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: loki8481
but it's stupid that we demonize lobbyists and turn them into boogeymen.

No it isn't. These people exist solely to engage in legal thievery from the american taxpayer. There is no merit in that, and lobbyists are paid to advance their clients interests ahead of what is best for the country.

Their bad reputation is well deserved. I've sat next to many a lobbyist on business trips and overheard their phone conversations.

what about the people/groups who lobby to represent your interests?

I'm sure microsoft employees don't mind microsoft's lobbyists... I'm pretty happy that gay rights and environmental lobbyists exist, old people would probably say the same about AARP.

Well it's influence peddling pure and simple, and it's antithetical to our democratic principles. The fact is that most bills are written by lobbyists, for lobbyists. It really doesn't matter what X% of lobbying might represent causes or interests that I support. I am against it on principle. I already supposedly have someone to represent my interests, my Senators and my Congressman.

It's no small coincidence that the telecoms threw a huge party for the D's that supported telecom immunity or that Dept of Interior employees were snorting coke off the fake tits of some oil lobbyists. It's a wholly corrupt system and needs to be abolished.

It's tantamount to treason in my eyes, there are plenty of legitimate avenues for Congress people to become informed about an issue without being coerced with "gifts", campaign contributions, and other perks.

A step in the right direction would be term limits for both the House and Senate. This would certainly free up Congress to spend more time doing work and less time trying to get reelected.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Just a peer media hatchet job. Paul Begala was also paid by Fannie for consulting. Of course Obama had Fannie CEO picking VP's for him. Americans would have to be dumb to swallow this. Then again they swallow lots of things these days.

Go back in your closet.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.

You know your side is doing bad when you start arguing over semantics🙂.

What is my side? Truth?

And if you think there's no difference between a company he's not receiving distributions from receiving payments and him receiving payments, then you should go work for the media!

Keep focusing on the wordings of the debate rather than the larger implications. We know your mind is closed regarding your preference so you do no favors to yourself or others by trying to make yourself believe that there is nothing wrong here. Continue your focus on what the meaning of "is" is and let us know how it turns out.

I guess when you can't focus on the stated facts, you just accuse others of playing semantics. Pretty sorry defense of your supposed point.

Let me get this straight. He owns the firm that's getting the donations but he's not profiting from them? Yeah, right. If your really believe that I've got land in S Florida to sell you.

 

[Moonbeam]

I heard the payments his firm got don't go to him. To me this complicates this as a black and white issue.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Robor

Let me get this straight. He owns the firm that's getting the donations but he's not profiting from them? Yeah, right. If your really believe that I've got land in S Florida to sell you.

until someone finds check stubs or wire transfer receipts saying otherwise, he's not only not getting his partnership share of freddie's money, he's not getting his partnership share of anything.

otherwise it's all just bullshiting and something for junkies to get their jollies off with.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Robor

Let me get this straight. He owns the firm that's getting the donations but he's not profiting from them? Yeah, right. If your really believe that I've got land in S Florida to sell you.

until someone finds check stubs or wire transfer receipts saying otherwise, he's not only not getting his partnership share of freddie's money, he's not getting his partnership share of anything.

otherwise it's all just bullshiting and something for junkies to get their jollies off with.

If you say so😉

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
The big deal ?

1. McCain and davis LIED
2. These are not Campaign Donations, these are campaign access payments directly to a MCCAIN's main guy
3. McCain and davis LIED
4. HE was paid until last month!
5. MCCAIN WAS CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.

HE was paid? or the firm was paid?

Please post the link where is says the Davis himself (not the firm) received money.

You know your side is doing bad when you start arguing over semantics🙂.

What is my side? Truth?

And if you think there's no difference between a company he's not receiving distributions from receiving payments and him receiving payments, then you should go work for the media!

Keep focusing on the wordings of the debate rather than the larger implications. We know your mind is closed regarding your preference so you do no favors to yourself or others by trying to make yourself believe that there is nothing wrong here. Continue your focus on what the meaning of "is" is and let us know how it turns out.

I guess when you can't focus on the stated facts, you just accuse others of playing semantics. Pretty sorry defense of your supposed point.

What the hell is the difference if its him personally or the firm? The fact is he is a lobbyist and is being paid to get favorable votes from Congress. That is broken and needs to stop. It matters zero whether he was paid directly or via company profit, or for that matter, if he was just an employee getting a paycheck. The whole thing is bogus.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Robor

Let me get this straight. He owns the firm that's getting the donations but he's not profiting from them? Yeah, right. If your really believe that I've got land in S Florida to sell you.

until someone finds check stubs or wire transfer receipts saying otherwise, he's not only not getting his partnership share of freddie's money, he's not getting his partnership share of anything.

otherwise it's all just bullshiting and something for junkies to get their jollies off with.

If you say so😉

lol at you calling people close minded while screaming LALALA with your fingers in your ears.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Robor

Let me get this straight. He owns the firm that's getting the donations but he's not profiting from them? Yeah, right. If your really believe that I've got land in S Florida to sell you.

until someone finds check stubs or wire transfer receipts saying otherwise, he's not only not getting his partnership share of freddie's money, he's not getting his partnership share of anything.

otherwise it's all just bullshiting and something for junkies to get their jollies off with.

Please. I expected better of you, sir.

Payments go to Davis' firm, which is a partnership. He's not receiving payment *at this time*. So what happens to the money, anyway? It stays in the firm until it's disbursed to the partners. He'll get his share before it's over.

It doesn't bother me that he's a lobbyist, or that Freddie has been paying his firm. That's largely expected and unexceptional. Nor is lobbying "evil!" by definition- it's as old as the Republic itself, actually older, becoming problematical only in the kind of quid pro quo we've seen a lot of recently. Anybody who has a particular pov to express to the congresscritters wants spokespeople who are highly persuasive and well-connected. I would, in their place. Doesn't mean that the congresscritters have to do what the lobbyists' clients want, either.

It does bother me when somebody's pissing down my leg, telling me it's raining, which is the way that the McCain campaign has been handling the whole issue of lobbyists. It's not straight talk, it's dishonest, and anybody with a lick of sense should realize that.

 

[Stoneburner]

HAH!

Newsweek just found Davis is still officially part of the firm!

HAH! i say HAH!