biggest hand i ever lost, i lost with 4 Q's in 5 card draw. that hand was spectacular because 4 of us had made hands. 2 full houses, my 4 Q's and the winning 4 k's.
there was nothing i could have done to win that hand. i had a made hand, one you couldn't not play and i was pushed by one of the full houses, turns out there was a sleeper in the group with 4k's.
what are you going to do, that's poker.
there was nothing i could have done to win that hand. i had a made hand, one you couldn't not play and i was pushed by one of the full houses, turns out there was a sleeper in the group with 4k's.
what are you going to do, that's poker.
The problem is everyone thinks their opinions are fact. He's right, no matter what he says someone would claim he did it wrong.
Amazing how everyone on this forum is a seasoned professional poker player.
Poker has become such a fantastic fad I feel sorry for the originals.
Poker has become such a fantastic fad I feel sorry for the originals.
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Originals? You mean the original poker pros? I'd have to say they're rejoicing because there's more noobs out there for the pros to own. Because of the whole internet poker boom, there's more money in poker than there ever was, and the pros are happy. Just because they lose a big tournament to an amateur doesn't mean that they're upset or anything - the real money's to be made in cash games.
Poker is very situational. It's also subject to different strategies as well. There is often more than one acceptable way to play a particular hand. In fact, varying ones play in certain situations is often necessary to maximize profit.
However, there are some people who would advocate an extremely unprofitable play. For instance, folding 22 on that particular flop would be a mistake over the long run. That's pretty obvious.
Also, a person does not need to be a famous professional to discuss a particular subject. In fact, many of the best teachers, whether it's photography, baseball or any other sport or hobby are certainly not the best at their respective subject. In fact, the ones coming into a thread specifically about poker to insult the thread participants are the ones who seem to be "pounding there chest" while demonstrating that they should not be in the thread in the first place with comments like "Poker has become such a fantastic fad I feel sorry for the originals."
Anyone else want to chime in on this, I'm curious at what the correct play is with pocket 22 -- 66? Do you raise before the flop if your big blind or just check?
First, there is no such thing as a "correct way" to play anything in poker. The real answer to every question in poker is "it depends". There are countless factors that figure into the equation, some based on statistics and mathematics, some based on psychology, the size of the stacks of the players, the payouts (if a tournament) etc etc.
The reality in poker is that sometimes you get punished for making the right play, and sometimes you win when making the wrong play. In the long run you win by consistently making the right play based on a large number of variables.
That said, my personal phylosophy on small pairs in the big blind is that you generally throw them away, unless the pot odds (implied) indicate that you should call. You're going to be out of position after the flop, which is bad. In online games (especially low stakes games), people are eager to push all their chips into the middle on very marginal hands. That makes raising on a small pair to try and taken down the pot iffy at best. Normally I would fold those small pairs, but if you're the BB and nobody's bet in front of you, I'd just check to see if I could get lucky.
I've adopted Dan Harrington's approach to keeping your play random -- use a watch.
Lets say you hold AA in a particular situation (pre-flop). The 'correct play' if there is such a thing, might be to bet 2-3 times the BB, pushing out the riff raff but not pushing out everyone. However, if you do the same thing each time, observant players will peg you and know what you hold based on your hands. Soooooo.... you adjust your play to: 80% of the time I'm going to raise with that hand, 20% I call/check. I can look at my watch, if it's 48 seconds or more, I call/check, if it's less than 48 seconds into the current minute I raise. That ensures that there is some randomness to my play, and even if someone knows what I'm doing there's nothing they can do with that info.
That's what makes it such a great game, easy to play, incredibly tough to master. Luck plays a huge role in the short term, but in the long run skill wins out.
Different poker philosophies would play this situation differently. There is no wrong or right. It's like asking different basketball coaches whether they would guard the inbounder or not late in a close game.
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