Maybe you could stop with the BULLSH!T and simply say the the lead judge in the panel that removed Moore said he was an athiest. Which, by the way, I can't seem to find where this was stated in the God thread. And I'm certainly not just gunna take your word for it...you post so much BULLSH!T it'd be stupid to believe anything you say without verifying it.
Maybe you could stop with the BULLSH!T and simply say the the lead judge in the panel that removed Moore said he was an athiest. Which, by the way, I can't seem to find where this was stated in the God thread. And I'm certainly not just gunna take your word for it...you post so much BULLSH!T it'd be stupid to believe anything you say without verifying it.
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I guess the 10 fold increase of attacks on Jews is just a mirage then and that the recent arab migrants have nothing at all to with it, despite the number of beatings,synagogue burnings, lynchings, muders and rapes growing in paralell to thier population. Yea that makes sense.
Oh and someone earlier said Belgium is isnt as bad as France, lol at that.
Belgium
I think immigrants in the US are well-integrated. They retain their culture just like Irish and Italian immigrants and their children do now. But they consider themselves Americans. I think the problem might be is that in the US they're more widely accepted, but in Europe they're not as accepted. An Indian man can be considered American without a doubt, but it is probably harder for an Indian to be considered French by native Frenchman.
I think that's one of the reasons why the US is leading the world technologicaly, too. Why go to Europe where you're treated like a third-rate citizen when you can come to the US and be treated like anyone else? So, many more of the brightest people choose to come to the US for their studies and help make our society better.
Alabama and Massachusetts, recently Tennessee, too.
I'll admit I don't know much about Mexicans... I'm talking more about immigration from overseas.
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Are you talking about European immigrants ? If so then its no surprise that they integrate so fast since there isnt a HUGE difference in lifestyle and culture between Europe and European-American dominated USA.
Non Europeans ARE harder to assimilate, and im not being racist or anything, but just being realistic about it. And that goes for immigration anywhere-- Put it this way, A Irishman who moves to Saudi arabia would be alot harder to assimilate than a Palestinian or Iraqi because the Irishman has to make far more adjustments, and if you throw in Irish language TV and newspapers then that will only make it harder to assimilate since he wouldnt have to become accustomed to Saudi ways.
And not to go to far off topic, but I think that is why people arnt saying 'assimilation' much anymore, and only talk about multi-culturalism, since it -may- not be possible to ever fully assimilate some groups [though asians seem to be an exception] due to religion ethics history or whatever else. But time will tell.
lets debunk that article a bit shall we:
also he sais that teh walons control it, ha, what a big buncha lies, he obveously cannot understand out very, very, very complicated system of political parties, also he sais a rainbow of parties, once again, a blattant lie, at the moment he wrote that there was a purple green coalition; meaning the socialists, liberals and green party, the latter one just for good measure, nowadays it's just a purple coalition, thus socialists and liberals.
but from what I hear about the US politics, our socialists and liberals dont really resemble yours.
yesyes, that was our vague attempt at justice for the world, was a bad law, could be abused for too much political ends. it's gone now.
then he tells teh story about abou jahjah.
well, believe it or not, but I considder that quite a success story; he came here, as immigrant, was accepted ino our society, and went into poletics, what more can u ask from any citizen, suure he does not agree, but he has a right to disagree, and his citizens patrols is not illegal, and they have quit doing it since then because simply, the police was not racist.
also the author takes antwerp as example for belgium, well lemme tell ya, antwerp is the worst place in belgium to be, you dont judge a country by it's ugliest spot, you look at it overall.
now onto some of the comments there, we got good examples about very great malinformation.
That's almost KKK stuff he's saying right there, but against muslims. ppls it's just a religion, and it's like he thinks muslims would ever get a majority in voting, well lemme lighten up this situation a bit. the muslims in belgium dont make up 0.1 % of the belgian population.
man, i'm reading on, what a load of crap, I quote again:
most common name is simon for the guys, then laura for the girls, mohhamed is not even within the top 1000.
didnt read past page 1 of comments.
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No, I'm really talking about immigrnats from the third-world like India, Pakistan, China, etc. They are all very well assimiliated into the US but still retain their culture just like Irish, Italian, etc. immigrants still retain their culture. They retain their ways as well as their new country's ways.
An Irishman might have trouble assimilating into Saudi Arabia because the natives might not accept him, similar to how Europeans view immigrants.
hmmh, I'll check my source a bit, tho it'll be hard (newspaper, we allways get rid of it after a week or two)
but yes, those numbers will be correct, and mine wrong, I think my number might have been illegal muslims, since the article dealt with illegal immigration.
still 3.6 % is a far cry from 51% and then there's also the problem that there aint a muslim party yet. (AEL doesnt really count it was a party, but it is not partaking in political activities)
but yes, those numbers will be correct, and mine wrong, I think my number might have been illegal muslims, since the article dealt with illegal immigration.
still 3.6 % is a far cry from 51% and then there's also the problem that there aint a muslim party yet. (AEL doesnt really count it was a party, but it is not partaking in political activities)
would u please stop the nasty generalisation, okay, my numbers seem to be wrong, but there seems to be some general issue that we europeans are racists or sumething, well, there definetly are racists overhere, but they're not a majority.
my numbers were just wrong, sh!t happens.
I guess... why don't you think they're as assimilated? Is it because their customs/beliefs are a lot different? Like I said, they retain their ways and adopt some of ours, which is just like the Irish or Italians. Sure the Irish or Italian ways may seem more "normal" to you, but what the other immigrants retain is basically the same.
They're a very large portion of the population for this to be considered a generalization, just like saying Americans are fat lards (I'm not saying there aren't any racists in the US/Canada either). The general attitude there is very negative. Such a pity, too, since immigrants can help make a country stronger if you would accept them as your own.
... you just completely misunderstood me.
generalisation was about you saying europeans act like immigrants are third class citizens.
we dont.
... you just completely misunderstood me.
generalisation was about you saying europeans act like immigrants are third class citizens.
we dont.[/quote]
I'd have to severely disagree about certain types of immigrants and their view of European countries in this case. You may think you don't, but they certainly feel different than you. Hell, I did, too.
is feeling different that bad ?
I mean I'd feel different if I walked around anywhere else but belgium or the netherlands, the language is different, the customs are different, offcourse you would feel different and not very at yer comfort.
I mean I'd feel different if I walked around anywhere else but belgium or the netherlands, the language is different, the customs are different, offcourse you would feel different and not very at yer comfort.
Well, suffice to say, I don't endorse the forcing of any form of belief on anyone (and no, liberating a people is NOT "forcing freedom" on them, only a moron would assert such a premise. Freedom is man's *natural* state and it is only FORCE that can take it away from him), even Atheism (which isn't really a belief, but an absence of belief specifically in a God. I hate when I ask people what they believe in and they say "I'm an Atheist". Well that's nice, but I didn't ask what you DON'T believe in! 
On the Jew/Palestinian subject, all I can say is that if these people have nothing better to fight about than who worships the invisible man in the sky the right way, they should count themselves lucky and go the hell home. I mean what a *stupid* issue!
Jason
EDIT: Oh, and from an American point of view, I *LOVE* immigrants (the legal kind). Of all our citizens, they understand the most clearly how and why it is better to live in a system where individual rights are (mostly) protected by the government and where people are free to pursue their dreams within every legal means. They're WAY more astute than natural citizens, I suppose because they've *seen* the other side.
On the Jew/Palestinian subject, all I can say is that if these people have nothing better to fight about than who worships the invisible man in the sky the right way, they should count themselves lucky and go the hell home. I mean what a *stupid* issue!
Jason
EDIT: Oh, and from an American point of view, I *LOVE* immigrants (the legal kind). Of all our citizens, they understand the most clearly how and why it is better to live in a system where individual rights are (mostly) protected by the government and where people are free to pursue their dreams within every legal means. They're WAY more astute than natural citizens, I suppose because they've *seen* the other side.
I find that the immigrants themselves as well as visitors/tourists disagree with you. It's a common perception.
No, I'm saying that their view is different than yours. I'm not saying you're right/wrong about how it really is, but about what the common opinion is like.
I find that Europeans mostly say 'We're not a melting pot like the US, so you can't compare the two' about things like this.
I know this might be hard to proove, but can you at least try, because right now I'm rather not inclined to believe you, I'll talk bout it on school tomorro with my foreign buddies, and ask em how they think about the subject.
and tourists, man, that wont be in belgium, you're treated like a king
I cant speak on behalf of europe tho, and I dunno squat bout how it's goin' on in france, germany et all.
EDIT
well, I dont treat a foreigner or immigrant any differrent then I would treat someone from belgium, so no issue there, but I know for sure that at least 10% of the belgium population does not share my opinion on this (that 10% is national average the right wing party's get)
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