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Fox TV's '24' Sanitizes Torture as "Necessary Evil"

Votingisanillusion

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I read this on WagNews before watching the latest episode of 24:

<< Tonight's edition of Fox Tevevision's 'crisis-in-a-day' thriller '24 is a blatant apologia for torture:

To thwart a terrorist plot, hero Jack Bauer (Kiefer Sutherland) and his Counter Terrorist Unit have shot a suspect in the leg while interrogating him; subjected the son of the defense secretary to high-tech sensory disorientation; stun-gunned a suspected but innocent colleague; and used a lamp cord to shock information from a businessman.

For 24's producers, in their fourth season of constructing a save-the-world scenario that must be completed in one day, the use of torture is about ?real-time? drama, not politics.

?It goes with the 24 conceit that we need information and don't have days to break this person. Sometimes we don't even have hours,? executive producer Howard Gordon says. [USA Today]

If that last comment sounds like a gung-ho Pentagon statement defending torture in Iraq, then you are hardly surprized, are you? Apologists for the inhuman detention treatment in Iraq have made just such excuses. This is Fox after all. Here's another tidbit of Bush'ist propaganda to conclude:

?Jack Bauer is a tragic character. He doesn't get away with it clean. He's got blood on his hands,? Gordon says. ?In some ways, he is a necessary evil.? >>



Well, if you remember the scene in which Jack's girlfriend looks shocked by the new side of Jack, the torturer, she recently discovered, you may have felt that her father telling her that "we need men like him" and her reaction was a great piece of psychological manipulation directed at the women watching the show; they are encouraged to feel like her and accept the fact that some men do torture, and that it is alright to love these men.
Before that Paul and others, after having been subjected to very painful torture, uncritically accept to go back to work with their torturers. Again, gross psychological manipulation of the masses of fans of 24. I do not feel like a fan anymore.
Frankly, I am very disappointed by this fourth season. It has turned into blatant propanganda for the Pentagon and the CIA's criminal conduct in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Guantanamo, and at home thanks to the fascist Patriot Act.
24 is now a fascist series.
Just like FoxNews is a fascist channel. No surprise.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Murderers, rapists and terrorists have it easy.

Personally, I would like to see them tortured daily, just for the hell of it.
 
Dec 27, 2001
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Yeah writing can't just suck.....no no no no.....this has to be part of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

And torture has been around for every season of 24, genius.

:roll:
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion

Well, if you remember the scene in which Jack's girlfriend looks shocked by the new side of Jack, the torturer, she recently discovered, you may have felt that her father telling her that "we need men like him" and her reaction was a great piece of psychological manipulation directed at the women watching the show; they are encouraged to feel like her and accept the fact that some men do torture, and that it is alright to love these men.
Before that Paul and others, after having been subjected to very painful torture, uncritically accept to go back to work with their torturers. Again, gross psychological manipulation of the masses of fans of 24. I do not feel like a fan anymore.
Frankly, I am very disappointed by this fourth season. It has turned into blatant propanganda for the Pentagon and the CIA's criminal conduct in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Guantanamo, and at home thanks to the fascist Patriot Act.
24 is now a fascist series.
Just like FoxNews is a fascist channel. No surprise.

lol jesus fvcking christ ... its a god damn show! do you think that 24 season 1 had the "propaganda for the Pentagon and the CIA's criminal conduct in Iraq" when showing elisha cuthbert running around in a hot outfit?

i highly doubt it ... what are you, a poetry teacher? you look way too deep into something that is merely entertainment.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: TheNinja
I'm going to try and shock myself with a lamp cord this weekend I think.

Make sure that if you live to sue and say that you saw it on tv
 

Jzero

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I would like to take this moment to point out that "24" is actually just a television show that has jumped the shark.
 

DaveSimmons

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Aug 12, 2001
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I guess the first Dirty Harry movie was written by DoD precogs to help pave the way for the upcoming torture 23 years later :roll:

As Freud used to say, "sometimes a lamp cord is just a lamp cord"
 

GasX

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Jzero
I would like to take this moment to point out that "24" is actually just a television show that has jumped the shark.
No, it is evil propaganda that is quietly and efficiently brainwashing the entire country. Can't you see the truuuuuttthh, mannnnnn?
 

isasir

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Aug 8, 2000
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I suppose then that the fact that the men tortured (Senator's son and Paul) are both white men, is an indication of the real terrorists as well?
 

frankie38

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Nov 23, 2004
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Please remember...24 is fiction.

This is a classic question:

Does the end justify the means? (From my Philosphy class)
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Oh, for the love of....Let us know when you a grow a pair and start to think for yourself. I'm sure Karl Rove was behind the writing too, eh?
 

everman

Lifer
Nov 5, 2002
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Yes I agree that all fictional material needs to be censored and edited to take into account the political climate of the day. :roll:
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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And Votingisanillusion crawls out of the cesspool that is P&N.

You can crawl back there now...:disgust:

Or you can start a thread bitching about violence in James Bond movies or Robert Ludlum's books.

You guys need to take a peek at the threads he posts over there, vast voting fraud conspiracies (note the username)...
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
The uncritical masses.
As opposed to the black helicoptor moonbat masses that you run with?

 

Pliablemoose

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Oct 11, 1999
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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
I am a complete idiot & cannot tell the difference between a TV drama & reality. I also think that Fox network is involved in a huge right wing conspiracy to support the president and the trilateral commission, and that the plots are written by the Skull & Bones society, and edited by the Hasty Pudding society, and I suspect Rupert Murdock planted the semen on Monica Lewinski's dress to have former president Clinton impeached.

Fixed that for you.

 

jalaram

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
The uncritical masses. As if Fox did not have an agenda.
It is not about fiction. It is about fiction by Fox.

Does NBC have an agenda with The West Wing? How about Law and Order? How about L&O: SVU?

If you want to talk politics, please take it to P&N.

 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
The uncritical masses. As if Fox did not have an agenda.
It is not about fiction. It is about fiction by Fox.

Does NBC have an agenda with The West Wing? How about Law and Order? How about L&O: SVU?

If you want to talk politics, please take it to P&N.
ABC's Boston Legal was going to have a jab at FOX News but it was pulled from the script.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
I am a complete idiot & cannot tell the difference between a TV drama & reality. I also think that Fox network is involved in a huge right wing conspiracy to support the president and the trilateral commission, and that the plots are written by the Skull & Bones society, and edited by the Hasty Pudding society, and I suspect Rupert Murdock planted the semen on Monica Lewinski's dress to have former president Clinton impeached.
Fixed that for you.
AHAHAHAHAHA :D

So is The West Wing propaganda too, or is that "just a TV show" because it's relatively liberal on the issues?
 

KeyserSoze

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Oct 11, 2000
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I Love 24. My favorite show. I Hate Fox News, and I don't think they are "Fair and Balanced" like they want the world to think.

That being said, give me a break. It's a TV show. This is Jack's character, as he's all about "the greater good." I can't believe that people are reading that much into the TV show. After this, we can honestly read into anything. Lighten up people.




KeyserSoze