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JD50 said:
There aren't infinity people that need testing. Did they have enough kits for everyone that needed one?
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No idea, considering I wasn't making that claim. That wasn't part of my argument. 🙂 Other countries had a more urgent need for a greater quantity of kits than we needed at the time.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
Nope, never made the claim that the WHO had insufficient kits to meet early US demand.

Please quote where I made that claim.
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Printed Circuit Bro said:
Like I said, WHO had only a certain amount of kits available and other countries were screaming for them because they were in more dire need.
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Printed Circuit Bro said:
Other countries had a more urgent need for a greater quantity of kits than we needed at the time.
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This trolling is even worse than the Trump criticizes Trump lines of posting.

But even more telling is you sudden willingness to stop responding about your claims of the WHO testing situation. So which is it? Are we supposed to ignore your statement of "those tests" in reference to my post about WHO tests, and we're to believe your reconstruction of history that what you really meant was to talk about non-WHO/CDC approved tests that aren't meant to be frontline diagnostic tests? You really should read about a situation instead of relying on information gleaned from half-assed Google searches.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
No idea, considering I wasn't making that claim. That wasn't part of my argument. 🙂 Other countries had a more urgent need for a greater quantity of kits than we needed at the time.
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And? That’s important to the discussion because? Why would it matter if other countries needed them more?
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
It's not banned, though, as I've been told several times. Personal insults are very much welcome on this forum apparently, despite the rules.
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This misconception is because many people don't understand the rules, or expect them to serve their own purposes. But first, only "egregious personal attacks" are infracted. Second, being called a troll, after having been caught trolling, is not an ad hominem but a statement of fact. Likewise, being called a liar after having been caught in a lie is also a statement of fact.
Many trolls and repeat liars here have trouble with the above because they expect the forum rules and the mods to facilitate their behavior. Which, while I'm not a mod, I feel confident just isn't going to happen.
 
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Printed Circuit Bro said:
No idea, considering I wasn't making that claim. That wasn't part of my argument. 🙂 Other countries had a more urgent need for a greater quantity of kits than we needed at the time.
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If there was no shortage of kits, it would not matter if other countries had a more urgent need for a greater quantity of kits than we needed at the time. If there was no shortage, every country could have been provided with all the kits they needed or wanted. If there were not enough to provide all the kits that were needed or wanted at a specific time, that is the very definition of a shortage.
 
Vic said:
This misconception is because many people don't understand the rules, or expect them to serve their own purposes. But first, only "egregious personal attacks" are infracted. Second, being called a troll, after having been caught trolling, is not an ad hominem but a statement of fact. Likewise, being called a liar after having been caught in a lie is also a statement of fact.
Many trolls and repeat liars here have trouble with the above because they expect the forum rules and the mods to facilitate their behavior. Which, while I'm not a mod, I feel confident just isn't going to happen.
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@Printed Circuit Bro thinks calling him by actions is a personal attack. Example

He made claim Trump took action against COVID-19 in Jan but refused to state the so called action. That is classic troll like behavior. Making some declarative statement or claim without backing it up.
 
dank69 said:
If there was no shortage of kits, it would not matter if other countries had a more urgent need for a greater quantity of kits than we needed at the time. If there was no shortage, every country could have been provided with all the kits they needed or wanted. If there were not enough to provide all the kits that were needed or wanted at a specific time, that is the very definition of a shortage.
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There either isn't enough kits for everyone or there's an infinite number of kits, and it can't be the latter. China was already battling with a lack of testing kits. Evidence for this is in the various tracking sites showing # of infected cases. There's a point in Jan/Feb where the # of cases skyrocketed in China. It wasn't because of a sudden increase in infections it was the sudden availability of more kits to test people with.

Since this outbreak began, we have never been in a situation where there were enough kits and testing, globally, to keep up with demand. To this day there are still not enough kits everywhere, not enough medical professionals to perform testing, and not enough lab throughput on testing to keep up with demand. Last I read it was 18 days backlog to get your test results if you aren't doing one of those blood test thingies.
 
HomerJS said:
@Printed Circuit Bro thinks calling him by actions is a personal attack. Example

He made claim Trump took action against COVID-19 in Jan but refused to state the so called action. That is classic troll like behavior. Making some declarative statement or claim without backing it up.
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So even though what I typed was true, I'm still branded a troll in your eyes because I wouldn't search google and give you a link.

That's the level if intellectual dishonesty you bring to the table.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
First, it's not possible to have infinity number of tests, but that's not the same as claiming a shortage. Other countries needed those kits more than we did so we refused the offer. You can scream and project and strawman until you're blue in the face. Doesn't bother me any.



You're arguing against claims that I didn't make. I never claimed that the WHO test kits were inaccurate. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it won't become true.
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8...9...10 you are out. Stop soiling yourself in public man. Be better.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
There either isn't enough kits for everyone or there's an infinite number of kits, and it can't be the latter.
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This is wrong. There is no need to play with "infinity" here and you are doing so merely to avoid having to say "I was wrong." If we added up the number of kits needed by all countries on the date of your choosing, that would be the number needed at that point in time, and that number would not be infinity. If that number or more were available at that time, there would not be a shortage. If less than that number were available, then there was a shortage. Your choice now is to admit that when you said other countries needed them more than we did at that point in time you were in fact saying that there was a shortage because there were not enough to give all countries what they needed, perhaps salvaging a modicum of respect here, or to continue to make a fool of yourself, ironically achieving the opposite of your desired outcome.


China was already battling with a lack of testing kits. Evidence for this is in the various tracking sites showing # of infected cases. There's a point in Jan/Feb where the # of cases skyrocketed in China. It wasn't because of a sudden increase in infections it was the sudden availability of more kits to test people with.

Since this outbreak began, we have never been in a situation where there were enough kits and testing, globally, to keep up with demand. To this day there are still not enough kits everywhere, not enough medical professionals to perform testing, and not enough lab throughput on testing to keep up with demand. Last I read it was 18 days backlog to get your test results if you aren't doing one of those blood test thingies.
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All this is just another way of saying we had a shortage then and continue to have a shortage now.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
So even though what I typed was true, I'm still branded a troll in your eyes because I wouldn't search google and give you a link.

That's the level if intellectual dishonesty you bring to the table.
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You still are not doing it. A refusal to clarify leaves both sides without point of reference.

But that's your point. It allows you to constantly drop unsubstantiated turds as a defense of some claim/statement.

Classic troll.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
So even though what I typed was true, I'm still branded a troll in your eyes because I wouldn't search google and give you a link.

That's the level if intellectual dishonesty you bring to the table.
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It is up to you to provide proof. It might be true that some website somewhere said what you think it said. It is more than likely that that website was a garbage website, or you misunderstood what you read, or both. The burden is on you to provide your sources so they can be vetted. If you can't do that, then admit you were talking out your ass or continue to be treated like a troll.
 
dank69 said:
This is wrong. There is no need to play with "infinity" here and you are doing so merely to avoid having to say "I was wrong." If we added up the number of kits needed by all countries on the date of your choosing, that would be the number needed at that point in time, and that number would not be infinity. If that number or more were available at that time, there would not be a shortage. If less than that number were available, then there was a shortage. Your choice now is to admit that when you said other countries needed them more than we did at that point in time you were in fact saying that there was a shortage because there were not enough to give all countries what they needed, perhaps salvaging a modicum of respect here, or to continue to make a fool of yourself, ironically achieving the opposite of your desired outcome.


All this is just another way of saying we had a shortage then and continue to have a shortage now.
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Yea you took the effort to spell the faillogic out, either he is still gonna retard or ignore it flat out. Its the no cure situation. I.cant.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
There either isn't enough kits for everyone or there's an infinite number of kits, and it can't be the latter. China was already battling with a lack of testing kits. Evidence for this is in the various tracking sites showing # of infected cases. There's a point in Jan/Feb where the # of cases skyrocketed in China. It wasn't because of a sudden increase in infections it was the sudden availability of more kits to test people with.

Since this outbreak began, we have never been in a situation where there were enough kits and testing, globally, to keep up with demand. To this day there are still not enough kits everywhere, not enough medical professionals to perform testing, and not enough lab throughput on testing to keep up with demand. Last I read it was 18 days backlog to get your test results if you aren't doing one of those blood test thingies.
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If anyone needs further evidence of how little this poster understands the COVID-19 situation and is a total troll, this is it.

1) The "point in Jan/Feb where the # of cases skyrocketed in China" is because they allowed the diagnostic criteria for COVID-19 to include an abnormal CT scan as opposed to the RT-PCR assay for SARS-CoV-2. That's why nearly 14,000 new cases were suddenly recognized on Feburary 13th. These cases were backlogged cases from days and weeks prior. And yet somehow this poster can't provide any evidence that there was a shortage of kits in early March when the first evidence of local transmission was occurring in Washington, NY, etc, and why the US had only completed a total of 13,953 tests while South Korea was conducting 20,000 tests per day.

2) Anthony Fauci admits the US was failing when comparing the US response to testing versus other countries. "The idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countries are doing it, we're not set up for that. Do I think we should be? Yes. But we're not." Yet, this poster thinks he knows more than Dr. Fauci. Instead of producing massive evidence of widespread insufficient "enough kits and testing, globally," he provides none. So why could South Korea test 20,000 patients a day when Dr. Fauci made that statement? Where did Dr. Fauci say that there was a global shortage of testing kits and that was the reason why the US was "failing?"

3) Remember what this troll said? He "never made the claim that the WHO had insufficient kits to meet early US demand." Read what he posted. "Since this outbreak began, we have never been in a situation where there were enough kits and testing, globally, to keep up with demand." He's not just a hypocrite, but is clearly trolling. On top of it, he wants us to all ignore exactly what he said about "those tests" and somehow believe what he really meant to talk about was tests that are not approved by any medical organization as first-line diagnostics for COVID-19.
 
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