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Printed Circuit Bro said:
It's relevant because this is a discussion board, where the free exchange of ideas is the entire purpose of the board. I acknowledge that you disagree. It's okay to disagree, Vic.

Yet another intentionally intellectually dishonest assertion from you, that I claimed that in order to hold Fox accountable, someone else must give up their 1a rights to journalistic opinion.

At least you're consistent.
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Printed Circuit Bro said:
Journalism is dead. Activism has taken its place. CNN's purpose is ideological propaganda. MSNBC's purpose is the same. So is the LA Times, NY Times, etc. They all spin the story the way they want it to read, to support their side and demonize their opponents.

This is why they should all be treated the same. They basically are the same, just different sides of the same rusty scraped up devalued coin.
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Do you read your own posts?
 
Vic said:
Except for the part where you argued that the only way to treat news media equally under the law was to deny all of them their right to journalistic opinion.
So we can't hold Fox accountable for its propaganda, even when it jeopardizes public safety, until all journalistic opinions that conflict with yours have been silenced. This is what you are portraying as equal treatment.
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This is a blatant lie from your face.

I've never argued that the only way to treat media equally under the law is to deny all of them their right to journalistic opinion.

Please quote where I posted this. I'll wait.

I've never argued that Fox can't be held accountable for its propaganda and, repeatedly, have said exactly the opposite in this thread.

More consistent intentionally intellectually dishonest replies from you.
 
Vic said:
Except for the part where you argued that the only way to treat news media equally under the law was to deny all of them their right to journalistic opinion.
So we can't hold Fox accountable for its propaganda, even when it jeopardizes public safety, until all journalistic opinions that conflict with yours have been silenced. This is what you are portraying as equal treatment.
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No, I said they should all be treated equally with respect to this disclaimer for opinion shows that was proposed by another poster for Fox.

HomerJS said:
I would accept this as a remedy for all Fox News opinion shows. Disclaimer before every broadcast.

"The following program is strictly entertainment representing the opinion of the host. The content is in no way to be considered news or information to be acted on by the public".
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To which I responded:

pcgeek11 said:
That would be fine by me if they also did it for all the other channel opinion shows. What is good for one should be good for all.
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Sorry you can't wrap your head around a simple fair concept.
 
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fskimospy said:
This is the sort of babyish pouting that you always do.

Because you're both incapable of defending your positions and unwilling to change your mind you view people pointing that out as some sort of misbehavior on their part.
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And they just keep doing it. The sheep won't allow for any legitimate negative discussion about their precious Fox news without bleating whatabout to other news organizations and how they disagree with their opinions, and how that is somehow the same as Fox intentionally lying.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
I've been doing basically nothing but defending my position from repeated misrepresentations
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I haven't once misrepresented your position. Ironically, you claimed that I did that before admitting my depiction of it was completely correct.

I'd love to read your mountains of evidence that argues that most of the mainstream media does not have a conservative or liberal bias.

Got any links I can read online?
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Sure, here's some I've linked to on here before, there are plenty more though. While all of their conclusions differ from each other modestly, the overarching theme is that there's little left/right bias in the mainstream media.



Conclusion | Pew Research Center

Once again, the game of politics—rather than the ideas or even the background of the personalities—has dominated how the press has presented the race for president. What is new in…
www.journalism.org www.journalism.org
 
pcgeek11 said:
No, I said they should all be treated equally with respect to this disclaimer for opinion shows that was proposed by another poster for Fox.

Sorry you can't wrap your head around a simple fair concept.
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I have no objections to such a disclaimer, but how do you know Fox news wouldn't?

Once again, it's all just a red herring. Every other news organization shouldn't have to burdened because your beloved Fox news got caught being a bad actor. And more to the point, we should be able to discuss Fox news' bad acting without partisans constantly changing the subject to "whatabout CNN, whatabout MSNBC, etc."
 
pcgeek11 said:
Right, like the only media bias is Fox...
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I've written otherwise in this thread, did you not read it?

The difference is that the TV channel Fox News makes programming decisions for the express purpose of pushing conservative viewpoints while other organizations (including the actual news component of Fox News for the most part!) does not.
 
Vic said:
And they just keep doing it. The sheep won't allow for any legitimate negative discussion about their precious Fox news without bleating whatabout to other news organizations and how they disagree with their opinions, and how that is somehow the same as Fox intentionally lying.
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It's the usual projection that conservatives engage in - they know that Fox does this, back in the 90's and 2000's you would hear them argue that Fox wasn't really right wing and was actually centrist. Sometime around the late 2000's and through the 2010's they appear to have given up on that. Now the argument is that everyone else is just as bad as they are.
 
fskimospy said:
I've written otherwise in this thread, did you not read it?

The difference is that the TV channel Fox News makes programming decisions for the express purpose of pushing conservative viewpoints while other organizations (including the actual news component of Fox News for the most part!) does not.
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You claiming CNN and MSNBC are not just as guilty as Fox Opinion and Commentary shows is laughable.
 
fskimospy said:
I've written otherwise in this thread, did you not read it?

The difference is that the TV channel Fox News makes programming decisions for the express purpose of pushing conservative viewpoints while other organizations (including the actual news component of Fox News for the most part!) does not.
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Each news org caters to its own market segment. I have no objections to that. While partisan news reporting and corresponding journalistic opinion are as old as America itself. My objection is to those who use the existence of journalistic opinion they disagree with as an excuse for outright lying by news orgs whose opinion they do agree with.
 
Vic said:
Each news org caters to its own market segment. I have no objections to that. While partisan news reporting and corresponding journalistic opinion are as old as America itself. My objection is to those who use the existence of journalistic opinion they disagree with as an excuse for outright lying by news orgs whose opinion they do agree with.
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Yup.
 
fskimospy said:
I haven't once misrepresented your position. Ironically, you claimed that I did that before admitting my depiction of it was completely correct.



Sure, here's some I've linked to on here before, there are plenty more though. While all of their conclusions differ from each other modestly, the overarching theme is that there's little left/right bias in the mainstream media.



Conclusion | Pew Research Center

Once again, the game of politics—rather than the ideas or even the background of the personalities—has dominated how the press has presented the race for president. What is new in…
www.journalism.org www.journalism.org
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I disagree with your depiction that news outlets do not have a left or right bias. How could I have "admitted" your depiction was correct if I disagree with you?

I don't think you're reading my posts.
 
fskimospy said:
It's the usual projection that conservatives engage in - they know that Fox does this, back in the 90's and 2000's you would hear them argue that Fox wasn't really right wing and was actually centrist. Sometime around the late 2000's and through the 2010's they appear to have given up on that. Now the argument is that everyone else is just as bad as they are.
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That last part has become their argument for just about everything the 10-12 years. And why I walked away from the GOP. They have no moral standing or positive message any more.
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
I disagree with your depiction that news outlets do not have a left or right bias. How could I have "admitted" your depiction was correct if I disagree with you?

I don't think you're reading my posts.
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I don’t think you’re reading your own posts. I originally asked if you viewed Fox and mainstream media to be the same and you disputed it, calling it a ‘so you’re saying fallacy’, only to later admit you were saying exactly that.
 
fskimospy said:
I don’t think you’re reading your own posts. I originally asked if you viewed Fox and mainstream media to be the same and you disputed it, calling it a ‘so you’re saying fallacy’, only to later admit you were saying exactly that.
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The conclusion is that the fallacy I was referring to wasn't whether or not Fox is considered mainstream.

If I agree that Fox belongs in the mainstream media category, which it does, AND I called you out for a fallacy, which was correct, that must mean that the fallacy isn't whether or not Fox be classified as mainstream media. 🙂
 
Printed Circuit Bro said:
The conclusion is that the fallacy I was referring to wasn't whether or not Fox is considered mainstream.

If I agree that Fox belongs in the mainstream media category, which it does, AND I called you out for a fallacy, which was correct, that must mean that the fallacy isn't whether or not Fox be classified as mainstream media. 🙂
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I don’t think you understand what a fallacy is, haha.

Regardless, what are your thoughts on media bias? Have you reconsidered in light of the evidence I presented?
 
fskimospy said:
I don’t think you understand what a fallacy is, haha.

Regardless, what are your thoughts on media bias? Have you reconsidered in light of the evidence I presented?
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You presented evidence?

I thought someone was going to post some links to peer-reviewed studies showing no conservative or liberal bias in the media.

I'm still waiting to read that. Did you post them and I missed them? If you did and I missed them, sorry! Where are they?
 
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