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Fox News story. Black is white. Upd is down. Truth is a lie.

techs

techs

Lifer
http://www.thebostonchannel.co...e/19208830/detail.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...mos-prove-did-torture/

One news story. Two views. The first is the view 99 percent of all reputable news sources.
The second is Fox.

Most news organizations:
News Item: The Department of Justice has released previously classified memos which detail frequently brutal interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency under President George W. Bush.
Waterboarding? Check. Sleep deprivation? Check. Stuck in a box with insects? Check, check, check.

Fox News:
Attorney David Rivkin's argument disputes claims that the Department of Justice memos prove the Bush administration violated anti-torture laws.
"This data is analyzed in great detail to establish that the use of these techniques does not inflict either physical or psychological damage,"




And yet people still say Fox is fair and balanced?
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
I honestly believe the world would be a better place if all republicans just dropped dead right now.
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I believe you just earned your self a two week vacation for blatant trolling.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn
 
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
All of them have an agenda.

Why just pick on FOX?
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Ummm... could it be because they lie and distort and conceal the facts, as they did in this story? :shocked:
 
Originally posted by: techs
http://www.thebostonchannel.co...e/19208830/detail.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...mos-prove-did-torture/

One news story. Two views. The first is the view 99 percent of all reputable news sources.
The second is Fox.

Most news organizations:
News Item: The Department of Justice has released previously classified memos which detail frequently brutal interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency under President George W. Bush.
Waterboarding? Check. Sleep deprivation? Check. Stuck in a box with insects? Check, check, check.

Fox News:
Attorney David Rivkin's argument disputes claims that the Department of Justice memos prove the Bush administration violated anti-torture laws.
"This data is analyzed in great detail to establish that the use of these techniques does not inflict either physical or psychological damage,"




And yet people still say Fox is fair and balanced?
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You mean they actually did some reporting and did more than just parrot BHO's press release? TEH HORRAARRHSSS!!

Plus the first one reads like an editorial. The Fox link actually reads like news - with multiple sources for quotes/statements.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Phokus
I honestly believe the world would be a better place if all republicans just dropped dead right now.
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I believe you just earned your self a two week vacation for blatant trolling.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn
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THANK YOU RED DAWN.
 
Originally posted by: techs
http://www.thebostonchannel.co...e/19208830/detail.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...mos-prove-did-torture/

One news story. Two views. The first is the view 99 percent of all reputable news sources.
The second is Fox.

Most news organizations:
News Item: The Department of Justice has released previously classified memos which detail frequently brutal interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency under President George W. Bush.
Waterboarding? Check. Sleep deprivation? Check. Stuck in a box with insects? Check, check, check.

Fox News:
Attorney David Rivkin's argument disputes claims that the Department of Justice memos prove the Bush administration violated anti-torture laws.
"This data is analyzed in great detail to establish that the use of these techniques does not inflict either physical or psychological damage,"




And yet people still say Fox is fair and balanced?
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CNN's story aligns more with Fox than with these mysterious "99% of all reputable news sources" you cite.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...e.documents/index.html

If anything, your link to the Boston Channel (who tf are they?) mirrors more of the hard-core leftist blogs that are always screaming for Bush's head on a platter than anything else.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: techs
http://www.thebostonchannel.co...e/19208830/detail.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...mos-prove-did-torture/

One news story. Two views. The first is the view 99 percent of all reputable news sources.
The second is Fox.

Most news organizations:
News Item: The Department of Justice has released previously classified memos which detail frequently brutal interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency under President George W. Bush.
Waterboarding? Check. Sleep deprivation? Check. Stuck in a box with insects? Check, check, check.

Fox News:
Attorney David Rivkin's argument disputes claims that the Department of Justice memos prove the Bush administration violated anti-torture laws.
"This data is analyzed in great detail to establish that the use of these techniques does not inflict either physical or psychological damage,"




And yet people still say Fox is fair and balanced?
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CNN's story aligns more with Fox than with these mysterious "99% of all reputable news sources" you cite.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...e.documents/index.html

If anything, your link to the Boston Channel (who tf are they?) mirrors more of the hard-core leftist blogs that are always screaming for Bush's head on a platter than anything else.
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Yup. The first link is clearly an editorial and one man's opinion (Ted Reinstein, Chronicle Reporter per the article), while at least Fox quotes sources from David Rivkin, a constitutional lawyer and member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, ACLU Director Anthony Romero, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis, Former White House Press Secretary Dana Perino, and Michael Chertoff.

I guess Ted Reinstein = 99%?
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Phokus
I honestly believe the world would be a better place if all republicans just dropped dead right now.
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I believe you just earned your self a two week vacation for blatant trolling.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn
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:laugh: He's just been begging for it recently. Of course, the truly sad part is, he really believes what he wrote.
 
I find it Ironic That David Rivkin is one of the Only Constitution lawyers out there that have take the Side of Geroge W. Bush's justice department.

The papers admitted to waterboarding. The Lawyers in the DOJ said waterboarding isnt torture use it.....


Hmmmm

Lookup The United States of America vs. Josef Altstötter


the Lawyers Basically wrote these dishonest opinions saying this stuff "wasnt torture" to justify its use. the lawyers were the real criminals, the enablers, the dishonest hacks

but it all depends what your meaning of is, is.....



 
Originally posted by: techs
http://www.thebostonchannel.co...e/19208830/detail.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...mos-prove-did-torture/

One news story. Two views. The first is the view 99 percent of all reputable news sources.
The second is Fox.

Most news organizations:
News Item: The Department of Justice has released previously classified memos which detail frequently brutal interrogation techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency under President George W. Bush.
Waterboarding? Check. Sleep deprivation? Check. Stuck in a box with insects? Check, check, check.

Fox News:
Attorney David Rivkin's argument disputes claims that the Department of Justice memos prove the Bush administration violated anti-torture laws.
"This data is analyzed in great detail to establish that the use of these techniques does not inflict either physical or psychological damage,"
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You very conveniently cut off the Fox News quotation just before the following:

But not everyone thinks the memos clear the administration. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, said while he applauds the Obama administration for releasing the memos, their " alarming content requires further action."

These memos, without a shadow of a doubt, authorized torture and gave explicit instruction on how to carry it out, all the while carefully attempting to maintain a legal fig leaf," he said. "These memos make it abundantly clear that the Bush administration engaged in torture. Because torture is illegal under American law -- as the U.S. is a signatory to the Convention Against Torture -- we are legally required to investigate and, when appropriate, to prosecute those responsible for these crimes."
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Now, I'm not claiming that Fox News has no agenda overall, clearly they do. However, it's ridiculous to use this article as proof when the Fox version clearly gives both sides while the local new story you cite provides a single, editorialized, view.

The CNN article actually seems more favorable to the tactics than does the Fox article. I guess CNN has a conservative bias now?

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Phokus
I honestly believe the world would be a better place if all republicans just dropped dead right now.
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I believe you just earned your self a two week vacation for blatant trolling.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn
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THANK YOU RED DAWN.
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Heh, yeah that was over the top. Now if he'd limited it to Neocons...THEN it would have been nothing but a true statement. 😎
 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Phokus
I honestly believe the world would be a better place if all republicans just dropped dead right now.
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I believe you just earned your self a two week vacation for blatant trolling.

Anandtech Senior Moderator
Red Dawn
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THANK YOU RED DAWN.
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Heh, yeah that was over the top. Now if he'd limited it to Neocons...THEN it would have been nothing but a true statement. 😎
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Well, go somewhere you are your kind can wallow in your GOP hatred *shrug*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/
www.democrat.com/
www.democratsforum.com/
www.allthingsdemocrat.com/
angrydemocratforum.blogspot.com/


 
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
All of them have an agenda.

Why just pick on FOX?
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Quite obviously because Fox' slogan is "fair and balanced" with a side of "we report. you decide." They make all these claims of being unbiased, when everyone on the planet knows they are the conservative news network.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
All of them have an agenda.

Why just pick on FOX?
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Quite obviously because Fox' slogan is "fair and balanced" with a side of "we report. you decide." They make all these claims of being unbiased, when everyone on the planet knows they are the conservative news network.
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Is that why some of their sources for the OP article are from Dems? 😕
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
All of them have an agenda.

Why just pick on FOX?
Click to expand...

Quite obviously because Fox' slogan is "fair and balanced" with a side of "we report. you decide." They make all these claims of being unbiased, when everyone on the planet knows they are the conservative news network.
Click to expand...

Is that why some of their sources for the OP article are from Dems? 😕
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*sigh* Don't play stupid, kid. Everyone with a rational brain knows that Fox has a conservative slant. Conservatives know it. Liberals know it. Moderates know it. Its just the way it is. Does this mean EVERY SINGLE STORY on the network favors conservatives? No. And you've GOT to be kidding if you think a conservative slant can't be obtained from a liberal source. Properly explaining your opposition's position, and then dismantling it, is one of the most effective debate styles out there.

I didn't even read the articles he linked because frankly, I don't care. Those two articles do not overshadow the many thousands Fox has run over its history.

Fox is very obviously a conservative network. And that in itself is fine - obviously there is a market for it, given their ratings. What is amusingly hypocritical is pairing that with their "fair and balanced" slogan.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
All of them have an agenda.

Why just pick on FOX?
Click to expand...

Quite obviously because Fox' slogan is "fair and balanced" with a side of "we report. you decide." They make all these claims of being unbiased, when everyone on the planet knows they are the conservative news network.
Click to expand...

Is that why some of their sources for the OP article are from Dems? 😕
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*sigh* Don't play stupid, kid. Everyone with a rational brain knows that Fox has a conservative slant. Conservatives know it. Liberals know it. Moderates know it. Its just the way it is. Does this mean EVERY SINGLE STORY on the network favors conservatives? No. And you've GOT to be kidding if you think a conservative slant can't be obtained from a liberal source. Properly explaining your opposition's position, and then dismantling it, is one of the most effective debate styles out there.

I didn't even read the articles he linked because frankly, I don't care. Those two articles do not overshadow the many thousands Fox has run over its history.

Fox is very obviously a conservative network. And that in itself is fine - obviously there is a market for it, given their ratings. What is amusingly hypocritical is pairing that with their "fair and balanced" slogan.
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lol @ kid....Oh I agree Fox is conservative. I guess I was speaking for this particular OP. Sources are from both sides of the aisle (which they many times are).
 
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