Fox News Reporting: Secrets of 9/11

[xj0hnx]

Well, I don't believe in at least one which I gather you do, the notion that the 9/11 attacks were the result of a few handfuls of Muslims conspired amongst each other.

Right, because some rogue shadow element of the government did it and managed not to leave any physical evidence, much better story 🙄

Let me ask you this, who in "the government" is committing all these multi-generational conspiracies?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Right, because some rogue shadow element of the government did it and managed not to leave any physical evidence, much better story 🙄

Let me ask you this, who in "the government" is committing all these multi-generational conspiracies?

It's called Serpents of the Round and it is run by Dan Halen.

 

[xj0hnx]

Sure, 'cause dust tends to gather on on exterior railings, particularly ones up on a tower. 🙄

You've never been to Texas have you?

Rather, as the shooting is over an accomplice to the murder is more likely to flee compared to a bystander, smoking or otherwise.

That would be your uncorroborated opinion.

Wow, it seems you must have some serious short-term memory issues. I'm sure they were professionals, and I doubt there were any gunshots from the knoll, which is why I said "I'm left suspect what happened there was just a distraction, intended to sow confusion while the real shooters got away" just a few posts back.

No, I see that, it begs why you're still going on about it. So we had Oswald, a "distraction" shooter, and some real assassins, one, or more? Be careful now Big Al is going to freak out on you for doubting his "evidence".

 

[fskimospy]

Well, I don't believe in at least one which I gather you do, the notion that the 9/11 attacks were the result of a few handfuls of Muslims conspired amongst each other.

Can you just give me a ballpark of how many conspiracies we're talking here? We've got 9/11, the MLK assassination, JFK, and what else? Did we fake the moon landing? Did David Copperfield really make the Statue of Liberty disappear?

 

[kylebisme]

Right, because some rogue shadow element of the government did it and managed not to leave any physical evidence, much better story

No, that's just ignorant nonsense, which is all you seem capable of, which is why I won't bother responding to you again.

 

[xj0hnx]

No, that's just ignorant nonsense, which is all you seem capable off, which is why I won't bother responding to you again.

Stop projecting and answer the question. Don't cop out right when you have to provide some type of valid theory.

You want to talk about "ignorant nonsense" you idiot Truthers can't even spew out consistent theories that hold water when even the slightest bit of reason is applied, and run away with "that's just ignorant nonsense, which is all you seem capable off, which is why I won't bother responding to you again." The real answer is you don't have a clue, and if you put another theory out there to get shot down it might destroy the fragile foundation of your psychotic ramblings.

 

[kylebisme]

Can you just give me a ballpark of how many conspiracies we're talking here? We've got 9/11, the MLK assassination, JFK, and what else?

Well, Project MKULTRA was a huge conspiracy of thousands of people kept secret for decades, as was Operation Gladio. Do you deny those?

Did we fake the moon landing?

I've yet to see any evidence of fakery in the moon landings.

Did David Copperfield really make the Statue of Liberty disappear?

That's about as likely as bin Laden having made the towers come down.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, Project MKULTRA was a huge conspiracy of thousands of people kept secret for decades, as was Operation Gladio. Do you deny those?


I've yet to see any evidence of fakery in the moon landings.


That's about as likely as bin Laden having made the towers come down.

Look, I'm not going to engage you in the same, tired truther arguments. My post was an attempt to get you to recognize just how far off the deep end you've gone. Actually, it was primarily just to make fun of you for being a nut.

I'm sure you don't think bin Laden knocked the towers down, and I don't really care. There's nothing any person is going to be able to say to you that will change your mind, because you are wedded to the idea of a grand conspiracy.

 

[kylebisme]

I never made claims of any grand conspiracy, you just invented that to slander me for not embracing the Muslim conspiracy which you so desperately cling to.

 

[fskimospy]

I never made claims of any grand conspiracy, you just invented that to slander me for not embracing the Muslim conspiracy which you so desperately cling to.

See what you're doing right now is the same thing that creationists do in evolution debates, namely an appeal to false equivalence. Sorry buddy, that's not how the real world works.

 

[xj0hnx]

Well, Project MKULTRA was a huge conspiracy of thousands of people kept secret for decades, as was Operation Gladio. Do you deny those?

MKUltra was a set secret CIA projects and sub-projects, not a "conspiracy theory", do you not know the difference?

 

[xj0hnx]

I never made claims of any grand conspiracy, you just invented that to slander me for not embracing the Muslim conspiracy which you so desperately cling to.

All you do here is post conspiracy crap, so now you are a blatant liar, as well as a conspiracy nut.

 

[kylebisme]

See what you're doing right now is the same thing that creationists do in evolution debates

No, I'm not, as creationists offer an alternative narrative to evolution. On the other hand, I've no alternative native to your Muslim conspiracy, just evidence which refutes that narrative, much like scientists were uncovering evidence which refutes creationism long before Darwin came around to construct an alternative narrative based on such evidence.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I never made claims of any grand conspiracy, you just invented that to slander me for not embracing the Muslim conspiracy which you so desperately cling to.

Here is how scientific theories work. Theories that best fit the facts are the forerunners until a better theory is produced. Currently you can't produce a better theory.

Creationists can't produce a decent theory because they can't produce a single fact to support their theory, much like truthers. Instead they try to poke holes in evolution. This is the identical approach that truthers use. They can't produce any sort of theory of their own that makes sense so they try to poke holes in the predominant theory and proclaim, as you have, that since every question can't be answered it must not be valid.

Until truthers can produce a better theory that withstands scientific scrutiny, and we all know they can't even begin to do such a thing, the current explanation stands.

Provide something better. It's as simple as that. We will be waiting for you to do so but you, al981, eventhorizon, and every single other truther in this place absolutely refuse to state any sort of theory of their own because they know they'll be ripped to shreds if they ever attempted anything of the sort. So post your own theory or admit to the simple fact that you have no viable alternative and after realizing that, STFU, because you got nothing. NOTHING!

 

[kylebisme]

proclaim, as you have, that since every question can't be answered it must not be valid.

Please quote wherever you believe I did that.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Please quote wherever you believe I did that.

Here is one of many:

"That's about as likely as bin Laden having made the towers come down."

If you don't believe bin Laden was involved either present your alternate theory about how you believe it 'really' happened or go the fuck away. Because if you don't have any alternate theory to present you're doing nothing more than trolling. Nobody gives a flying fuck about your about your lameass paranoias and suspicions if you can't present a viable, scientifically-based alternative. The fact that you seem to have an extremely difficult time grasping that concept in the first place demonstrates what a clueless dolt you really are.

 

[First]

There are several threads here where the resident Truther nuts get schooled pretty badly in common sense and High School physics. It's an entertaining read. Here's a few good ones:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=329108
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2089947
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=210660

Bump.

 

[kylebisme]

Here is one of many:

"That's about as likely as bin Laden having made the towers come down."

That's one of many examples of me stating my rejection of the official story for how the towers came down, but it's not me proclaiming "that since every question can't be answered it must not be valid" by any stretch, nor have I ever suggested that. I've stated many of my actual reasons for rejecting the official story for how the towers came down to you in the past, but you insist on arguing against ridiculous caricatures of them instead, and I've no interest in anything of the sort.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Please quote wherever you believe I did that.

Here is one of many:

"That's about as likely as bin Laden having made the towers come down."

If you don't believe bin Laden was involved either present your alternate theory about how you believe it 'really' happened or go the fuck away. Because if you don't have any alternate theory to present you're doing nothing more than trolling. Nobody gives a flying fuck about your about your lameass paranoia and suspicions if you can't present a viable, scientifically-based alternative. The fact that you seem to have an extremely difficult time grasping that concept in the first place demonstrates what a clueless dolt you really are.

His alternate theories have to many holes punched in them that they are unusable. They have more holes in them than he can punch in the official story.

That is why they are not official.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

That's one of many examples of me stating my rejection of the official story for how the towers came down, but it's not me proclaiming "that since every question can't be answered it must not be valid" by any stretch, nor have I ever suggested that. I've stated many of my actual reasons for rejecting the official story for how the towers came down to you in the past, but you insist on arguing against ridiculous caricatures of them instead, and I've no interest in anything of the sort.

That statement has absolutely nothing to do with "how" the towers came down. OBL was involved in the planning of 9/11, not the execution. Nor have you provided any proof whatsoever to demonstrate that the bin Laden theory is incorrect (since he even stated himself that he was involved).

Nor do you state "reasons." Without presenting any alternate theory all of your proclamations end up as nothing more than personal opinions because without a theory of your own you don't have a platform to stand on in the first place. When you can provide a comprehensive, coherent theory of how it all went down that makes more sense than the prevailing theory, then you might have something. Until that time, which we all know will never come, the prevailing theory stands as the leading theory no matter how many miniscule holes you think you can punch in it. Do you comprehend that fact or not? Without a theory of your own you can't prove shit.

 

[EagleKeeper]

His reasoning for the alternate is that the Federal Government was starting to investigate some companies on Wall Street regrading fraud

Those companies spent millions of dollars and time to wire the WTC7 for demolition. Such care was done that no one was able to detect anything out of the ordinary. The modifications to the building was so perfect that and secretly planned that no one can identify who did the pre-demolition and with what substance.

Paint fumes were able to be cleared out using unknown technology;carpeting and sheet rock replaced with such accuracy that the seams could not be detected and color shading perfectly matched. Carpeting was glued down and the glue fumes undetectable
by the workers when they arrived the morning after the cleanup.

No paint chips; carpet fibers or sheet rock dust left for anyone to detect.

And now the guilty parties sat around and waited for a major incident to occur so they could demolish the building and destroy the evidence without anyone suspecting except for the 911 truthers.

Remote detonators had to be installed so as to be completely destroyed or be mis-catalogued as some other piece of electronics. Or they sent a person into the building after evacuated to perform the demolition sequence.

 

[First]

I love when some Truthers will claim scientific reasoning as the crux of their arguments without being able to admit that any scientific theory with major logical holes, gaps in timelines and little to no evidence for their existence overall would be considered bunk scientific theories. Which is why the "theory" of 19 Saudi hijackers, which has significant hard evidence, corroboration, and few timeline gaps or logical inconsistencies is overwhelmingly considered the preeminent explanation for 9/11. Not patently false and absurd Truther "physics" explanations for WTC7's collapse or demolitions with no hard evidence or conspiracies with not a single American citizen coming forward to admit any such plot. It's tough for Truthers to admit, which is why they always fail to nut up with specifics.

 

[airdata]

Well, Project MKULTRA was a huge conspiracy of thousands of people kept secret for decades, as was Operation Gladio. Do you deny those?

Isn't it funny how the people who debunk and deny never have anything to say after the fact when things are proven to be true?

I've yet to see any evidence of fakery in the moon landings.

I'm not on the boat and saying we didn't goto the moon, but there is plenty of information available to cast doubt on the events.

That's about as likely as bin Laden having made the towers come down.

^5

 

[airdata]

I love when some Truthers will claim scientific reasoning as the crux of their arguments without being able to admit that any scientific theory with major logical holes, gaps in timelines and little to no evidence for their existence overall would be considered bunk scientific theories. Which is why the "theory" of 19 Saudi hijackers, which has significant hard evidence, corroboration, and few timeline gaps or logical inconsistencies is overwhelmingly considered the preeminent explanation for 9/11. Not patently false and absurd Truther "physics" explanations for WTC7's collapse or demolitions with no hard evidence or conspiracies with not a single American citizen coming forward to admit any such plot. It's tough for Truthers to admit, which is why they always fail to nut up with specifics.

I love that... um.. idk what to call you. "deniers''? don't see that there are logical holes, gaps in timelines and little to no evidence to back up the official story of 911, like many other major historical events.

As long as we're winning, we get to write the history books. That's all that matters in the end.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I love that... um.. idk what to call you. "deniers''? don't see that there are logical holes, gaps in timelines and little to no evidence to back up the official story of 911, like many other major historical events.

As long as we're winning, we get to write the history books. That's all that matters in the end.

/woosh, right over airdata's head

We can't be "deniers" because you and the rest of the truthers can provide no theory of their own whatsoever to deny in the first place. The miniscule crap you truthers glom onto, while completely disregarding the massive amount of evidence that supports the official theory, doesn't amount to a hill of beans.