Fox News lie machine booting up. Trying to rename the government shutdown.

[trenchfoot]

But is "Government Shutdown" really accurate?

OK, then let's use your logic. Who came up with the word "shutdown". Is it government sanctioned language that must be used under penalty of law? I could on and on with this but it's just too damned silly to pursue.

The level of outrage you have over this is not commensurate with the "crime". It's on the order of a juvenile tantrum. You love all things progressive and that come out of the mouths and minds of Democrats - we get that. You hate all that is conservative and that comes out of the mouths and minds of Republicans - we get that. You hate Fox News - we really, really, all get that. Your outrage over something as inconsequential as a word in this instance is evidence of a psychosis. It's over the top.

If it was dishonest it wouldn't be more accurate. It may be bias and an attempt to frame the debate but if the term is more accurate then it is at the end of the day a better description.

It doesn't matter at all what FOX "News" is calling it, what really matters here is why?. And the answer to that question is not because FOX wanted to be literally correct. FOX spin is FOX spin, and that "fair and balanced" reliably hilarious spin is always exaggeratingly and comically biased toward the ultra-conservative side.

It's not surprising how unbelievably maniacal and overtly propagandistic FOX is when their "programming" is viewed from outside of that virtual padded cell FOX keeps its Tea Party zealot loonies in.

 

[BoberFett]

It doesn't matter at all what FOX "News" is calling it, what really matters here is why?. And the answer to that question is not because FOX wanted to be literally correct. FOX spin is FOX spin, and that "fair and balanced" reliably hilarious spin is always exaggeratingly and comically biased toward the conservative side.

It's not surprising how unbelievably maniacal and overtly propagandistic FOX is when their "programming" is viewed from outside of that padded cell FOX keeps its Tea Party zealot loonies in.

So other news outlets do not spin things to the Democrats advantage? Is that your claim?

 

[buckshot24]

It doesn't matter at all what FOX "News" is calling it, what really matters here is why?. And the answer to that question is not because FOX wanted to be literally correct. FOX spin is FOX spin, and that "fair and balanced" reliably hilarious spin is always exaggeratingly and comically biased toward the ultra-conservative side.

It's not surprising how unbelievably maniacal and overtly propagandistic FOX is when their "programming" is viewed from outside of that virtual padded cell FOX keeps its Tea Party zealot loonies in.

If at the end of the day the term is more descriptive then it shouldn't matter what motivations the person who coined the new phrase had in coming up with it.

 

[BUnit1701]

Are those examples of actual "serious" government spending?
...

Everyone always says 'o thats tiny', apparently not realizing that there are hundreds of thousands of these 'tiny' programs, and it all adds up in the end.

 

[fskimospy]

So other news outlets do not spin things to the Democrats advantage? Is that your claim?

Some do, such as MSNBC. As we've been over many times, the media in general does not.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Moonie...who is more insane...those who want to negotiate or those who adamantly refuse to negotiate? Democrats have chosen to shutdown the government many, many times in the past over issues that were important to them and, in most every instance, Republicans successfully negotiated with them to resolve their differences. Why is this so different?

 

[Incorruptible]

OP once again shows his stupidity. obama is responsible for the shutdown since he cant accept that the American people don't want his idiotic law obamacare.

Doesn't surprise me at all the OP gets upset about this but not other serious issues. Pathetic.

 

[trenchfoot]

So other news outlets do not spin things to the Democrats advantage? Is that your claim?

Of course not. However, in true FOX fashion, "It's been heard that FOX is, and will always be reporting fair and balanced news and commentary".

You have to admit this ginormous whale of a lie is unique among network news outlets and that FOX is being (and please excuse the following contradicting yet very accurate description) "overtly deceptive" in its practices, unlike any of its competition.

Spin is a common tool used by all stations in their commentary and we all can agree on that. It's just that FOX goes way beyond the plausible and enters into the realm of Alice and Rove in Wonderland on a regimented basis.

 

[BoberFett]

Of course not. However, in true FOX fashion, "It's been heard that FOX is, and will always be reporting fair and balanced news and commentary".

You have to admit this ginormous whale of a lie is unique among network news outlets and that FOX is being (and please excuse the following contradicting yet very accurate description) "overtly deceptive" in its practices, unlike any of its competition.

Spin is a common tool used by all stations in their commentary and we all can agree on that. It's just that FOX goes way beyond the plausible and enters into the realm of Alice and Rove in Wonderland on a regimented basis.

Except you attack FOX as the primary offender because you disagree with their leaning. You are also probably more likely to forgive a left leaning news outlet of spinning a story. It's not uncommon, and not necessarily a bad thing. Just be as aware of your own biases as you are your opponents.

 

[michal1980]

Some do, such as MSNBC. As we've been over many times, the media in general does not.

It does, you just agree with the spin.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Geed grief, Fox is altering AP articles before running them. Original AP article:

The roiling debate over the U.S. government shutdown is extending to Twitter, Facebook and Instagram as fed-up Americans turn to social media to register their disgust with federal lawmakers for shutting down the government.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...L_MEDIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Fox Spin:

The roiling debate over the partial suspension of government services is extending to Twitter, Facebook and Instagram as fed-up Americans turn to social media to register their disgust with federal lawmakers for slimming down the government.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/02/americans-turn-to-social-media-to-air-feelings-on-slimdown/

These fuckers aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

 

[fskimospy]

Geed grief, Fox is altering AP articles before running them. Original AP article:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...L_MEDIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Fox Spin:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/02/americans-turn-to-social-media-to-air-feelings-on-slimdown/

These fuckers aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

I'm kind of surprised that isn't a breach of their contract with AP. I would imagine they have the right to edit articles for length but it's interesting that they could edit for content as well.

 

[nehalem256]

I'm kind of surprised that isn't a breach of their contract with AP. I would imagine they have the right to edit articles for length but it's interesting that they could edit for content as well.

And yet sadly the Fox News wording is significantly more accurate.

Compare:

Partial government shutdown is preferable, and that is sometimes used.

The roiling debate over the partial suspension of government services is extending to Twitter, Facebook and Instagram as fed-up Americans turn to social media to register their disgust with federal lawmakers for slimming down the government.

Notice how similar the Fox news wording is to your preferable wording?

The majority of the government has not been shut down.

I think libs are just butt-hurt that the Fox News "spin" is more in line with reality than what the MSM is saying.

 

[fskimospy]

And yet sadly the Fox News wording is significantly more accurate.

Compare:

Notice how similar the Fox news wording is to your preferable wording?

The majority of the government has not been shut down.

The fox news wording is in one place more accurate and in another place dishonest spin. Both alterations were clearly made to be friendlier to their political position.

 

[Smoblikat]

I think the folks in the back rooms of Fox News are seeing this government shutdown is going to stick to Republicans like a pot of hot grits to Al Green.

So what to they do? We have to help the GOP. I know lets deny there is actually a government shutdown. Let's call it a "slimdown"

Good thing they won that court case allowing them to lie in public.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/fox-news-government-slimdown_n_4025738.html

Liberals:
Blaming everything on republicans since bush left office!

 

[PokerGuy]

lol, Fox News certainly knows how to pander to their audience. As long as they keep telling you guys what you want to hear, you keep watching to feel validated. They play you like a fiddle.

Sorry, wrong again. As I've said many times before, I don't watch fox.

 

[nehalem256]

The fox news wording is in one place more accurate and in another place dishonest spin. Both alterations were clearly made to be friendlier to their political position.

In what place is it dishonest spin?

The government has not been shutdown. The majority of the government is still running.

It seems that you are throwing a fit because Fox news replaced dishonest spin with honest spin.

 

[PokerGuy]

It doesn't matter at all what FOX "News" is calling it, what really matters here is why?.

Wrong. Why they call it something is less relevant than whether what they're calling it is accurate or not. In this case it's a much more accurate name than what the obummer cheering squad (ie, the rest of the media) are using.

 

[Jhhnn]

OP once again shows his stupidity. obama is responsible for the shutdown since he cant accept that the American people don't want his idiotic law obamacare.

Doesn't surprise me at all the OP gets upset about this but not other serious issues. Pathetic.

Teahadis do not constitute a majority of the American People, let alone the whole.

They are, in truth, an extreme & radical minority, even in the HOR.

 

[fskimospy]

In what place is it dishonest spin?

The government has not been shutdown. The majority of the government is still running.

It seems that you are throwing a fit because Fox news replaced dishonest spin with honest spin.

Nope, just accurately assessing the story as written.

 

[OutHouse]

I think the folks in the back rooms of Fox News are seeing this government shutdown is going to stick to Republicans like a pot of hot grits to Al Green.

So what to they do? We have to help the GOP. I know lets deny there is actually a government shutdown. Let's call it a "slimdown"

The government is not shutdown,

Its a slimdown just like the sequester.

Come back When the mail stops or the military does not get payed.

 

[Jhhnn]

In what place is it dishonest spin?

The government has not been shutdown. The majority of the government is still running.

It seems that you are throwing a fit because Fox news replaced dishonest spin with honest spin.

Another poster offered that 80% of the govt was still running. When challenged, he hasn't replied.

I challenge your characterization that "most" of the govt is still running for the same reasons. It smells funny, like you just pulled it out of your ass...

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonie...who is more insane...those who want to negotiate or those who adamantly refuse to negotiate? Democrats have chosen to shutdown the government many, many times in the past over issues that were important to them and, in most every instance, Republicans successfully negotiated with them to resolve their differences. Why is this so different?

It is different because it is different. You either see the difference or you do not. There is no point in me trying to logically explain why it is different because as a conservative who may not want to see the difference you won't. I could give you the logic and you may rationalize it away. It is pointless to try to make pigs fly because it frustrates the instructor with the hopelessness of the task and it pisses off the pigs. Actually, of course, it doesn't piss off the pigs, it just brings to the surface how pissed off the pigs already are.

Try to see this only as the use of a existent metaphor with no intention in any way to imply that you are a pig. Similarly, the brain defect term I use is only defective in situations where fear needs to be modulated by logic and reason, not in situations where a more liberal brain may fail to react to an immediate danger and slow the response time fatally by thinking. Panic and strategic analysis each have their places. Thinking for a liberal brain means the rational analysis of context based on scientific understanding. Thinking for a conservative means finding rationalizations to avoid truth that damage the ego. These aren't absolutes but accurate generalities, provided, of course, you can rationally deal with the data that so indicates.

So again, your claims of similarity are, upon analysis of the context, not accurate. I read the analysis the other day when the claim you are making here was made elsewhere and rebutted but I don't now remember where.

Forgive me but I'm a bit jaded with arguing logic on P & N. The central theme of the difference is relative importance of the issues for the different Presidents which refers to the fact that Obamacare is a seminal achievement.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's remarkable how fast Righties fall in line behind Faux News, particularly those who claim that they don't watch Faux News.

The whole mantra has changed, beginning with Faux. Obviously, it wasn't them, at least not for Righties. Funny how that works.

 

[nehalem256]

Another poster offered that 80% of the govt was still running. When challenged, he hasn't replied.

I challenge your characterization that "most" of the govt is still running for the same reasons. It smells funny, like you just pulled it out of your ass...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/government-shutdown-up-to-speed/index.html

Most of the 3.3 million government workers are deemed "essential" -- they'll keep working. But more than 800,000 government employees will sit at home, according to a CNN analysis.