FOX News is reporting that a BlackHawk helicopter was shot down near Karbala...

[rufruf44]

Pers run away from the carnage being brought by the radical Moslemin Iran to find better live in US, and now he critizes the US as they to liberate a country which experiencing the same terror and oppresion he fled from......
Anyway, its just another great point of this country where people can do that without fear of being thrown to jail. I just hope the same thing will happen to Afganisthan and Iraq, but its somewhat doubtful if the radical moslem is not rooted from there.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Pers
i didn't troll.... water supplies in Basra were cut

why were they cut? does it make sense to you since we're "liberating iraqis"

or does liberating mean punishing?


oh, and may i request you stop using smiley faces? they're almost as irritating as your posts

Who "cut" the lines? Hmmmm......

Yeah

we're "punishing" the Iraqi people....yeah that's the ticket

I can maybe understand your hatred of the US because of our past transgressions dealing with Iran but sir I do believe you stated that you are Iranian-American, right? Then may I ask why you came here if we are such a "bad" people? Hmmmm....


CkG

My hatred of the US? Just because i see injustice in this war does not mean i hate this country!

don't make assumptions...i know you feel obligated to support this war just to demonstrate your patriotism -- we call your type the public mass --

i dn't share the same desire to be the American CheerLEader,...i do apologize.

Well i'm a Christian -- IRanian. And due to the fact that America kind of screwed IRan by placing the Shah there in the first place..

i believe it must pay its dues and allow me to stay here... *grin*

I'm not asking you to be a cheerleader - and I stated that I could understand your hatred. OK so hatred was possibly a wrong term but I interpreted your bashing the leader of this country ( your country - my country) and accusing it of playing games as hatred. So if I may I will retract the "hatred" and inplace put "disgust"

Need a beer?

And no I don't "feel obligated to support this war just to demonstrate your patriotism" I support this war because a ruthless tyrant has been destroying a county - a people for too long. It is time for him to go.

CkG

i honestly pray to god that there were more people like yourself..

but in reality..there aren't

and the people executing this war don't have your same intentions...

sorry buddy

Ah but you don't know Bush's intentions...you sir look though glasses fogged by paranoia. Presiden Bush WILL stay true to his words and help build a better Iraq by Liberating it from a tyant and then protecting it (this time ) from others who wish to destroy it until the time comes that Iraq can stand on it's own free legs.

I know you think the above is just rhetoric and whatnot but I believe Bush's intentions are real because I have faith in <gasp> God that Bush is a man of his word.

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pers


OH, and about CNN... that's crap.

the missiles were American Missiles....which is further proof that CNN doesn't mean anything...

Ok...if CNN is 'crap', post a link yourself proving they were American missiles. Don't spout off if you can't back it up.

 

[Wheezer]

you don't agree with me, so i'm stupid?

Yeah pretty much.

 

[Grey]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pers


OH, and about CNN... that's crap.

the missiles were American Missiles....which is further proof that CNN doesn't mean anything...

Ok...if CNN is 'crap', post a link yourself proving they were American missiles. Don't spout off if you can't back it up.

As many as three US missiles land in Iran.

 

[slinetz]

you guys know what , pers is right.

Here are a few of my points:

1. Bush basically says he wanna "Free Iraq people"

but why he favors Iraq? I mean come on guys, every one knows many Africa countries dies ten times more people because bad government.

the conclusion is "oil"

2. About chemical weapon: Iraq might or might not have those type weapons, but America government seems to be certain they do have those weapons without

any valid proofs. Why America government are so certain?

My conclusion is : During Iran and Iraq war , America secretly support Iraq weapons. America might also provide some chemical weapons to Iraq as well since they never once

in their mind thought Iraq might use those weapons to US. lets face it, America government sometimes do nasty stuff without telling their people

3. Bush is idiot.

proof: now there are hundred times more people willing to do suicide attack against America because the unjusitify war ( i thought this is war against terroism not increasing

terroism)

Our economy will go to rock bottom(72 billions is just begining and in the history of America, that initial budget is never enough, why Pussies, no i mean Bush is thinking)?

pre-emptive attack to Iraq(so we attack them first before they attack us) . You know what? During World war II that 's the speech Hitler give to his German people why they

have to attack Russia. Pre-emptive attack can never be justified.


here are my few cents.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Grey

As many as three US missiles land in Iran.

Sorry...it was Iraqi

The CNN article is from the next day once more information was learned. And, I quote:

Interior Minister Abdolvahed Moussavi Lari said examinations indicated that the missile, which landed in the western region of Sardasht, was made by Iraq.

 

[Grey]

Originally posted by: slinetz
you guys know what , pers is right.

Here are a few of my points:

1. Bush basically says he wanna "Free Iraq people"

but why he favors Iraq? I mean come on guys, every one knows many Africa countries dies ten times more people because bad government.

the conclusion is "oil"

bzzzt wrong. The answer is WMD, I haven't heard of any African nations besides South Africa and Egypt possesing said items.
2. About chemical weapon: Iraq might or might not have those type weapons, but America government seems to be certain they do have those weapons without

any valid proofs. Why America government are so certain?

My conclusion is : During Iran and Iraq war , America secretly support Iraq weapons. America might also provide some chemical weapons to Iraq as well since they never once

in their mind thought Iraq might use those weapons to US. lets face it, America government sometimes do nasty stuff without telling their people
Umm, I haven't seen any American officials deny the provision of weapons in the EIGHTIES to Iraq. After Iraq was defeated in the Gulfwar they were required to destroy the WMD. They didn't it doesn't matter who may have intially started their stock piles.
3. Bush is idiot.

proof: now there are hundred times more people willing to do suicide attack against America because the unjusitify war ( i thought this is war against terroism not increasing

terroism)

Our economy will go to rock bottom(72 billions is just begining and in the history of America, that initial budget is never enough, why Pussies, no i mean Bush is thinking)?

pre-emptive attack to Iraq(so we attack them first before they attack us) . You know what? During World war II that 's the speech Hitler give to his German people why they

have to attack Russia. Pre-emptive attack can never be justified.


here are my few cents.

People who are willing to homicide bomb are missing a few screws. I wouldn't base any opinions on them. Even Muslic clerics of the non-extremism slant agree they are not going to heaven for the deeds.

 

[Grey]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Grey

As many as three US missiles land in Iran.

Sorry...it was Iraqi

The CNN article is from the next day once more information was learned. And, I quote:

Interior Minister Abdolvahed Moussavi Lari said examinations indicated that the missile, which landed in the western region of Sardasht, was made by Iraq.

Uh.. that article you listed itself mentions three cruise missiles landed in Iran..

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Grey

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Grey

As many as three US missiles land in Iran.

Sorry...it was Iraqi

The CNN article is from the next day once more information was learned. And, I quote:

Interior Minister Abdolvahed Moussavi Lari said examinations indicated that the missile, which landed in the western region of Sardasht, was made by Iraq.

Uh.. that article you listed itself mentions three cruise missiles landed in Iran..

"..mentions three cruise missiles MAY HAVE landed in Iran..."

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Grey


Uh.. that article you listed itself mentions three cruise missiles landed in Iran..

Meanwhile, U.S. State Department officials said they had told Iran they were looking into another incident in which three Tomahawk missiles fired by the U.S. might have missed their intended target Friday, and possibly landed in southwestern Iran.

Hardly a fact...might .... possibly.

 

[Grey]

We will never know.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Pers
i didn't troll.... water supplies in Basra were cut

why were they cut? does it make sense to you since we're "liberating iraqis"

or does liberating mean punishing?


oh, and may i request you stop using smiley faces? they're almost as irritating as your posts

I dont know, ask the iraqis that cut it?

Ask the british why they are fixing the water supply problem.

 

[Wheezer]

any valid proofs. Why America government are so certain?

Just like all the rest of the anti-war crowd you demand proof? Why?

You will do nothing but refute it anyway.


The "It's for the oil" excuse is pathetic as well.

Think about it if it was for oil why not just say screw the tree huggers and start drilling in Alaska?

Bush is an idiot

That pretty much sums up your whole stance anyway. For you it"s not about if the war is right or wrong just the fact that you don't like the president, and don't agree with his views and the views of his administration.

So come back when you have something other than the same old tired song and dance that the dems have been recycling since the first desert storm.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Pers

good day...i hope your cheaper gas isn't being taken for granted -- people i love are dying for it

Sweet, cheap gas! If more people you love die does gas get even cheaper? I sure hope so. It's still too expensive.

Don't mistake indifference for ignorance. They are completely different animals.

Would it be fair to say that, even before this war, most in the Middle East would be at least indifferent about my (as an American) life, safety, etc?
They have better things to do? Good, so do I. I will worry about the war when the bombs drop on someone I know. Until then, I will pass by the petrol station every morning and notice with some sense of satisfaction that the price is dropping.

My complaint about the war is TOO much restraint is being shown. One life of someone I know or care about is worth more than 10,000 lives of those I don't.
The same goes for you too Pers. Afterall, you are here now, during this war, expressing your frustrations at the danger people you love are in yet I would be willing to bet you've never shown the same concerns (or made the same amount of posts) about the hundreds of thousands murdered in Rwanda in the 90s during the worst genocide campaign since WWII. You do not care for them because they are not your people. Do not feel bad, I do not care for them either. I do not care about anyone in the Middle East either. Sorry, I care more about cheaper gas because it affects my life far more directly than the well being of your family does.

I am simply telling you what MANY, MANY people feel. Although, the vast majority of those who feel this way would never be able to admit it even to themselves let alone anyone else. A lot of these people must maintain thier pseudo sense of compassion because it makes them feel better... although it usually is shallow, empty and hollow. If one REALLY cares about the Iraqi people right now they could AT THE VERY LEAST donate a substantial portion of thier income to assist in humanitarian efforts.
However, when it comes time for 'compassionate' people to back up thier feelings with actions and/or funds a great deal of these people are suddenly missing.

I enjoy my sociopathy. At least it's honest. Ahhhhh sweet liberation!
The chorus of bombs and petrol prices dropping in symphony is music to my ears.

Then again I could be lying in order to cover up painful guilt over the horrible deaths of innocents in the criminal action undertaken by my country.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Grey
We will never know.

Maybe not.

but....
Could be...

 

[ub4me]

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
I like this...

Take the War on Iraq IQ Test:
1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have?
A: 6%
2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have?
A: 50%
3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves?
A: Saudi Arabia
4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves?
A: Iraq
5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide?
A: $900+ billion
6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.?
A:50%
7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the the UN?
A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).
8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II?
A: 86 million
9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons?
A: Since the early 1980's.
10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical and biological weapons on their own?
A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, along with Britain and private corporations.
11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran?
A: No
12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988?
A: 5,000
13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A:0
14. Q: How many gallons of Agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? A: 17 million.
15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist attack?
A: No
16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War?
A: 35,000
17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western forces during the Gulf War ?
A: 0
18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?
A: 6,000
19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War?
A: 40 tons
20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994?
A: 700%
21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991?
A: 80%
22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything other than deterrence and self defense?
A: No
23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago?
A: No
24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3?
A: 10,000
25. Q: What percentage of these will be children?
A: Over 50%
26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq?
A: 11 years
27. Q: Was the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?
A: No
28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?
A: 20 million
29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports?
A: 12 years
30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38
31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)?
A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%)
32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions?
A: 1.5 million
33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997?
A: 750,000
34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq?
A:No
35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998?
A:300
36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems?
A:5
37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ?
A: Yes
38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history.
A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief.
39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled?
A: 90%
40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in?
A:Yes
41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992?
A: Over 65
42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and 1990?
A: 30+
43. Q: How much does the U.S. fund Israel a year?
A: $5 billion
44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons?
A: 8
45. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Iraq have?
A: 0
46. Q: How many nuclear warheads does US have?
A: over 10,000
47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons?
A: the US
48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have?
A: Over 400
49. Q: Has Israel ever allowed UN weapons inspections?
A: No
50. Q: What percentage of the Palestinian territories are controlled by Israeli settlements?
A: 42%
51. Q: Is Israel illegally occupying Palestinian land?
A: Yes
52. Q: Which country do you think poses the greatest threat to global peace: Iraq or the U.S.?
A: ?
53. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"?
A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

No reaction against this Q&As?
Maybe it is true?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ub4me
No reaction against this Q&As?
Maybe it is true?

No - it's just too many false or half-truths to deal with in one thread - especially in a thread talking about a downed Blackhawk.

<-knows he participated in the sideshow that erupted in this thread

CkG

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Pers

good day...i hope your cheaper gas isn't being taken for granted -- people i love are dying for it

Sweet, cheap gas! If more people you love die does gas get even cheaper? I sure hope so. It's still too expensive..

i hate the fact that you're still breathing

 

[abovewood]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge


Sweet, cheap gas! If more people you love die does gas get even cheaper? I sure hope so. It's still too expensive..

This is fvck up.
stop hoping and go kill for cheap gas with your own hands if that is all you are after.
and you can die for it.

 

[ub4me]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ub4me
No reaction against this Q&As?
Maybe it is true?

No - it's just too many false or half-truths to deal with in one thread - especially in a thread talking about a downed Blackhawk.

<-knows he participated in the sideshow that erupted in this thread

CkG

Then prove what are false.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ub4me

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ub4me
No reaction against this Q&As?
Maybe it is true?

No - it's just too many false or half-truths to deal with in one thread - especially in a thread talking about a downed Blackhawk.

<-knows he participated in the sideshow that erupted in this thread

CkG

Then prove what are false.

If you want to discuss this, start a new topic . . . it won't get the attention you want here and it has very little to do with the topic in discussion.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Pers

i hate the fact that you're still breathing

Me too! So we have something in common.

Originally posted by: abovewood

This is fvck up.
stop hoping and go kill for cheap gas with your own hands if that is all you are after.
and you can die for it.

Why the hell would I do that when others are so willing to do it in my place? I'm crazy, not stupid.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Pers

i hate the fact that you're still breathing

Me too! So we have something in common.

Originally posted by: abovewood

This is fvck up.
stop hoping and go kill for cheap gas with your own hands if that is all you are after.
and you can die for it.

Why the hell would I do that when others are so willing to do it in my place? I'm crazy, not stupid.

Hello MR. GrandDragon of the KKK

i apologize for asking for you sympathy as i assumed you were human, and had a conscience.

i mean -- was it not the americans who were "terrorized" more than a year ago?

and did these same "arrogant" Americans seek sympathy from the ENTIRE world -- no matter

how much they realized these countries hated them (For good reason-- ie. palestine -- i mean israeli occupied Palestinians)

anyway. you realize what this war is about yet you still advocate it.

that's horrible...but hey -- you're just the typical mullet sporting redneck -- you just aren't ashamed of being a little honest

with yourself... i guess i would admire that if i didn't want you castrated...

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Pers

Hello MR. GrandDragon of the KKK

i apologize for asking for you sympathy as i assumed you were human, and had a conscience.

i mean -- was it not the americans who were "terrorized" more than a year ago?

and did these same "arrogant" Americans seek sympathy from the ENTIRE world -- no matter

how much they realized these countries hated them (For good reason-- ie. palestine -- i mean israeli occupied Palestinians)

anyway. you realize what this war is about yet you still advocate it.

that's horrible...but hey -- you're just the typical mullet sporting redneck -- you just aren't ashamed of being a little honest

with yourself... i guess i would admire that if i didn't want you castrated...

You assumed too much. My conscience, whatever little there is, is easily silenced.

Yes, of course, I realise what this war is all about: Pax Americana. And you know what? I am glad.
The Middle East is a cesspool of religious fanaticism and dictatorships. No one cared until it bit us on the ass.
Heck, we even used a few of them for our own strategic interests.
Now, the situation has started to turn on us so we must put it down like a diseased animal.
It's simple really.

This is the jungle (and it IS a jungle). The strongest survive. Don't ever forget that.

Might does indeed equal right no matter how many fairytales you read that try to teach you otherwise.
Simply look at the history of our species. Might has always equaled right. History is always written by the winners.

You can rest assured knowing that the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, and US foreign policy makers are filled with people just like me
who know what needs to be done to secure US/Western dominance and can do the job dispassionately and thoroughly. I know I rest easy with that knowledge.
Sure, the goverment spin doctors will tell the population it's all about 'saving the poor Iraqi people' (thats merely a pleasent side effect) but this is just
so everyone can sleep soundly at night so they can be at work the next morning on time to continue turning the cogs of this massive machine, the United States,
that dominates the world economically and militarily.

BTW, mulleted redneck? Not quite. I don't even live in the US anymore. It's a little too uptight for my tastes. I now live in another Coalition country, Australia.

Godspeed to the Coalition.