*shaking your hand* i don't agree with you..but i'm glad we don't hate each other...
i'll put it in simple terms --- hopefully something which hasn't been considered before
Imagine a little family owned deli opening across the city from a McDonalds.
How likely do you think it is that the family owned deli would pose a threat to McDonald's business?
And even further, how eager do you think McDonalds would be to
share business practices with the deli in order to help boost the deli's business?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Who "cut" the lines? Hmmmm......
Yeah
I can maybe understand your hatred of the US because of our past transgressions dealing with Iran but sir I do believe you stated that you are Iranian-American, right? Then may I ask why you came here if we are such a "bad" people? Hmmmm....
CkG
My country (assuming you're talking about Iran) was under attack by Iraq -- a U.S. aided iraq...
and i still see the injustice in this war, knowing a little more than 20 years ago -- Hussein was out to get my head...
even tho America, Britain, and France was helping... SHould i hate America today?
Wasn't basra where water was trucked in from the north?
So you're an Iranian American. Well, Iran will be the Russians new best arms customer now that Saddam's out of the picture. They already have the French fighters Saddam flew there to save them from being blown up... now the Iranians have a nice little airforce capable of delivering nukes... like that's not going to set off some warning flags.
And the President called your homeland part of the Axis of Evil.
I guess I'd be worried too if I were you.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Who "cut" the lines? Hmmmm......
Yeahwe're "punishing" the Iraqi people....yeah that's the ticket
I can maybe understand your hatred of the US because of our past transgressions dealing with Iran but sir I do believe you stated that you are Iranian-American, right? Then may I ask why you came here if we are such a "bad" people? Hmmmm....
CkG
My hatred of the US? Just because i see injustice in this war does not mean i hate this country!
don't make assumptions...i know you feel obligated to support this war just to demonstrate your patriotism -- we call your type the public mass --
i dn't share the same desire to be the American CheerLEader,...i do apologize.
Well i'm a Christian -- IRanian. And due to the fact that America kind of screwed IRan by placing the Shah there in the first place..
i believe it must pay its dues and allow me to stay here... *grin*
actually..i'm beyond worried
i have accepted the fact that MR. Bush's evil regime seeks to shed carnage on many middle eastern countries..
he has already "accidently bombed" iran in the last week.
The U.S., and many other countries, have sold arms to various other countries and those other governments seem to manage getting by without slaughtering their own people and forcing them to live in fear, lest one spiteful word against the government result in death.
I'm sure he does. And a HELLUVA lot more than Saddam does of his own people.
I'll agree it's deserving of discussion but it's not all propaganda. There is a reality behind it all. Some are just blinded to that reality out of spite for Bush and his administration.
Perhaps you fail to recall 17 resolutions passed by the United Nations (that's United Nations, not United States) including a cease-fire agreement with conditions that Saddam destroy and disarm and show proof of such (which has not occurred as agreed upon by the United Nations)
Uhh...2 weeks after the fighting started and the forces can see the skyline of Baghdad and there are only 49 U.S. fatalities (half of which are from accidents/friendly fire). Stiff resistance...yeah...from animals using women and children as human shields to protect their miserable existences. Putrid refuse who hide in mosques to prevent being shot at. What are they afraid of? They're about to be 'martyrs' and meet Allah!
Iraqis not happy to see us??
The UN has restarted the Oil-for-food program and ships are coming into Umm Qasr with aid for the Iraqi people.
You sound like someone who's only happy if they are miserable.
Red Dawn
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I'm sorry, maybe I'm not as sophisticated as you because your analogy is completey lost on me.
Look Pers, as an Iranian, even an American Iranian, you are entitled to be supicious of our motives. But if we do what we promise we are going to do it will benefit the Iraqi's and and even Iran in the end. If Iraq ends up with a democratic government, even a Arabic style Democratic Governmen,t don't you think that your own ancestral home will adapt and become a more democratiic society? Your culture and your people aren't third world but your government keeps them at the level. I can see late in the 21st Century Iran being one of the Centers of Commerce, Freedom and Culture if you can loosen the shackles of oppression.
Ok, pers. I take back the stupid crack. You're not.
I do however think you're seeing things bass ackwards and you're very paranoid. It's a shame innocent iraqis are killed, but there's not much choice. Saddam has got to go. He would take everyone in the country down with him if given the chance. It sucks, but those are the cards we've been dealt.
You claimed to have witnessed an event that took place in 1953 and remember it makes you pretty damn old. And your startling belief that the US people themselves are evil and arrogant..
STOP LINKING CNN-- THank You
i mean..it is only the BIGGEST propaganda catalyst in the world...
how about some articles from al jazzara
anway....i have relatives in IRaq....they don't wnat to see the Americans there by any means
they don't wnat to have to be in a hospital with no anesthetics...while their legs have just been blown off
THEY DON"T WANT US KILLING THEM HELLO! WAKE UP... HOW IS THIS HARD FOR YOU PEOPLE TO SWALLOW?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Pers
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Who "cut" the lines? Hmmmm......
Yeahwe're "punishing" the Iraqi people....yeah that's the ticket
I can maybe understand your hatred of the US because of our past transgressions dealing with Iran but sir I do believe you stated that you are Iranian-American, right? Then may I ask why you came here if we are such a "bad" people? Hmmmm....
CkG
My hatred of the US? Just because i see injustice in this war does not mean i hate this country!
don't make assumptions...i know you feel obligated to support this war just to demonstrate your patriotism -- we call your type the public mass --
i dn't share the same desire to be the American CheerLEader,...i do apologize.
Well i'm a Christian -- IRanian. And due to the fact that America kind of screwed IRan by placing the Shah there in the first place..
i believe it must pay its dues and allow me to stay here... *grin*
I'm not asking you to be a cheerleader - and I stated that I could understand your hatred. OK so hatred was possibly a wrong term but I interpreted your bashing the leader of this country ( your country - my country) and accusing it of playing games as hatred. So if I may I will retract the "hatred" and inplace put "disgust"
Need a beer?
And no I don't "feel obligated to support this war just to demonstrate your patriotism" I support this war because a ruthless tyrant has been destroying a county - a people for too long. It is time for him to go.
CkG
Actually Iranian officals confirmed it was in fact a Iraq missle... It was on CNN a while back...
As for your cheaper gas you are so mislead, its not even funny....
With all of the blood for oil, if Bush is trying to get oil from Iraq. He would simply propose that the UN ditch the trade embargo's. This is a eXtremely better alterentive than because he would not only save lives but over 100 billion dollars. Invading Iraq for their oil would be stupid. War protester's are saying that Bush is being played by big oil companies. However, if we where to invade Iraq and take their oil. That would be awful for the oil contracters, of course we would get a big drop in prices. However, it would flood the market with cheap oil making Bush's oil friends very unhappy with buissness. So you see its not about oil. You need to take that turban off, its constricting blood flow to your brain.
nvm the analogy...your promises have been heard before....there is absolutely no more room for Empty American Promises..
The Bush Family has too many assets invested in this war... THis war would not have been pursued by any other Administration unless it were for the
guidance of PERle And WOlfowitz.... if it werent' for them...SAddam would just be another evil ruler such as the ranks of Mussaref - Pakistan....and Sharaon - Israel
he said he was Christian *******, any point you were attempting to make was ruined by your profound ignorance Tabb.
I like this...
Take the War on Iraq IQ Test:
1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have?
A: 6%
2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have?
A: 50%
3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves?
A: Saudi Arabia
4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves?
A: Iraq
5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide?
A: $900+ billion
6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.?
A:50%
7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the the UN?
A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).
8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II?
A: 86 million
9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons?
A: Since the early 1980's.
10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical and biological weapons on their own?
A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, along with Britain and private corporations.
11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran?
A: No
12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988?
A: 5,000
13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A:0
14. Q: How many gallons of Agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? A: 17 million.
15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist attack?
A: No
16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War?
A: 35,000
17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western forces during the Gulf War ?
A: 0
18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?
A: 6,000
19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War?
A: 40 tons
20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994?
A: 700%
21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991?
A: 80%
22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything other than deterrence and self defense?
A: No
23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago?
A: No
24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3?
A: 10,000
25. Q: What percentage of these will be children?
A: Over 50%
26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq?
A: 11 years
27. Q: Was the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?
A: No
28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?
A: 20 million
29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports?
A: 12 years
30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38
31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)?
A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%)
32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions?
A: 1.5 million
33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997?
A: 750,000
34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq?
A:No
35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998?
A:300
36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems?
A:5
37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ?
A: Yes
38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history.
A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief.
39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled?
A: 90%
40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in?
A:Yes
41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992?
A: Over 65
42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and 1990?
A: 30+
43. Q: How much does the U.S. fund Israel a year?
A: $5 billion
44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons?
A: 8
45. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Iraq have?
A: 0
46. Q: How many nuclear warheads does US have?
A: over 10,000
47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons?
A: the US
48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have?
A: Over 400
49. Q: Has Israel ever allowed UN weapons inspections?
A: No
50. Q: What percentage of the Palestinian territories are controlled by Israeli settlements?
A: 42%
51. Q: Is Israel illegally occupying Palestinian land?
A: Yes
52. Q: Which country do you think poses the greatest threat to global peace: Iraq or the U.S.?
A: ?
53. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"?
A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
Take the War on Iraq IQ Test:
1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have?
A: 6%
2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have?
A: 50%
3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves?
A: Saudi Arabia
4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves?
A: Iraq
5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide?
A: $900+ billion
6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.?
A:50%
7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the the UN?
A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).
8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II?
A: 86 million
9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons?
A: Since the early 1980's.
10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical and biological weapons on their own?
A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, along with Britain and private corporations.
11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran?
A: No
12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988?
A: 5,000
13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A:0
14. Q: How many gallons of Agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? A: 17 million.
15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist attack?
A: No
16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War?
A: 35,000
17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western forces during the Gulf War ?
A: 0
18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?
A: 6,000
19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War?
A: 40 tons
20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994?
A: 700%
21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991?
A: 80%
22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything other than deterrence and self defense?
A: No
23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago?
A: No
24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3?
A: 10,000
25. Q: What percentage of these will be children?
A: Over 50%
26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq?
A: 11 years
27. Q: Was the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?
A: No
28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999?
A: 20 million
29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports?
A: 12 years
30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38
31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)?
A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%)
32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions?
A: 1.5 million
33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997?
A: 750,000
34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq?
A:No
35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998?
A:300
36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems?
A:5
37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ?
A: Yes
38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history.
A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief.
39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled?
A: 90%
40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in?
A:Yes
41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992?
A: Over 65
42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and 1990?
A: 30+
43. Q: How much does the U.S. fund Israel a year?
A: $5 billion
44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons?
A: 8
45. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Iraq have?
A: 0
46. Q: How many nuclear warheads does US have?
A: over 10,000
47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons?
A: the US
48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have?
A: Over 400
49. Q: Has Israel ever allowed UN weapons inspections?
A: No
50. Q: What percentage of the Palestinian territories are controlled by Israeli settlements?
A: 42%
51. Q: Is Israel illegally occupying Palestinian land?
A: Yes
52. Q: Which country do you think poses the greatest threat to global peace: Iraq or the U.S.?
A: ?
53. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"?
A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Pers
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Who "cut" the lines? Hmmmm......
Yeahwe're "punishing" the Iraqi people....yeah that's the ticket
I can maybe understand your hatred of the US because of our past transgressions dealing with Iran but sir I do believe you stated that you are Iranian-American, right? Then may I ask why you came here if we are such a "bad" people? Hmmmm....
CkG
My hatred of the US? Just because i see injustice in this war does not mean i hate this country!
don't make assumptions...i know you feel obligated to support this war just to demonstrate your patriotism -- we call your type the public mass --
i dn't share the same desire to be the American CheerLEader,...i do apologize.
Well i'm a Christian -- IRanian. And due to the fact that America kind of screwed IRan by placing the Shah there in the first place..
i believe it must pay its dues and allow me to stay here... *grin*
I'm not asking you to be a cheerleader - and I stated that I could understand your hatred. OK so hatred was possibly a wrong term but I interpreted your bashing the leader of this country ( your country - my country) and accusing it of playing games as hatred. So if I may I will retract the "hatred" and inplace put "disgust"
Need a beer?
And no I don't "feel obligated to support this war just to demonstrate your patriotism" I support this war because a ruthless tyrant has been destroying a county - a people for too long. It is time for him to go.
CkG
i honestly pray to god that there were more people like yourself..
but in reality..there aren't
and the people executing this war don't have your same intentions...
sorry buddy
Red Dawn
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Dude, how many people had to die before your people overthrew the Shah? The Iraqi's haven't the ability to do that themselves. With Freedom come sacroifice. Hell we are willing to Sacrifices some of our bests to help them gain their freedom. You might feel that's naive but I don't. Why are you here my friend? Because either you or your parents wanted freedom that was denied them. The freedom that the Iraqi will realize after this conflict will be well worth the sacrifices they are making now. Given the chance and the opportunity the Iraqi's will flourish. I can assure you that after Hussien is gone that the Iraqi['s will suffer hardships but out of those hardships a strong and united people will arise and will along with a free Iran (who are at the brink or their own liberty) become the Jewels of the Persian Gulf and Economical Super Powers themselves.
I'll link to CNN if I damn well please, thank you. It's far more impartial than many other sites (newsmax, guardian, foxnews)
Sorry...don't understand Arabic and their English site is down. Besides...pictures speak a thousand words and there's a picture of smiling Iraqis in that link.
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It's not hard for me at all. I know they don't want us killing them and we don't want to kill them either. Saddam, on the other hand, does and doesn't care if does kill them.
And, perhaps you missed the discussion/debate whereby the bombing in Sha'ab actually appears to have been from Iraqi AA fire! The crater was way too small to have been a cruise missile or a JDAM.
I think you fear the truth as that means years of an anti-America stance would be scuttled.
um...just because we have the oil in our control, doesn't mean we must flood the market with it -- you don't imagine -- i mean what are the possiblities that --- they may keep some reserved?? *big awe* yeah i know..it's like unpossible, right?
anyway...i'm not suggesting oil is the only reason... I dont' wear a turban you moron... I'm not even muslim
and even if i did, what gives you the right to ridicule me because of it? "arrogant Nation"
Securing Israel may also be another motive....SUrrounding Iran another....
Obviously if the U.S is investing so much into this war...they have a lot more to gain than the slaughter of thousands of innocent iraqis
OH, and about CNN... that's crap.
the missiles were American Missiles....which is further proof that CNN doesn't mean anything...
i am officially tired of posting on this forum for today..
i enjoyed the chat... but i'm getting TOO frustrated to continue..
anyway questions...or things i neglected to answer..
PM me and i'll get back to them later...
seriously tho...TURN OFF YOUR TVS for just a SECOND -- thank you...
i enjoyed the chat... but i'm getting TOO frustrated to continue..
anyway questions...or things i neglected to answer..
PM me and i'll get back to them later...
seriously tho...TURN OFF YOUR TVS for just a SECOND -- thank you...
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